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 Hi all,

 

A newbie here, trying to come up with a sub for my system (80% music, 20% HT).  Budget $300 - $600.  The room volume is about 3500 sq ft.  Seems like there's a million choices (ported, sealed, down-firing, 8",10",12", etc).  Any input would be be greatly appreciated, as I know next to nothing about subs.  

 

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If you meant 3500 cubic feet then the Rythmik LV12R would be my choice.
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If you meant 3500 cubic feet then the Rythmik LV12R would be my choice.

Agreed.

And if you did indeed mean 3500 square feet, you need a bigger budget smile.gif

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Sorry, guys!  Yes, I meant 3500 cu ft.  Any thoughts on the Mordaunt-Short Aviano 7? (or 9)?  I found the Aviano 7 for $300 and the 9 for $500.  Would they pair up well with Sib XLs?

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The Aviano 7 would definitely seem to be too little sub for that size space as 175w 10". I'd stick to 12" ported subs, unless you want to go with the SVS PB-1000, which is a 10" that has output close to budget 12" subs.

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The Aviano 7 would definitely seem to be too little sub for that size space as 175w 10". I'd stick to 12" ported subs, unless you want to go with the SVS PB-1000, which is a 10" that has output close to budget 12" subs.

Budget is a very relative term here. I'm sure you mean "budget" 12'' ID subs, in the $500-$1000 range.

In the usual sense, the PB1000 would have significantly more output than most budget (<$500) 12'' subs.
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Best sub at $600 is really a choice between the Hsu VTF2 and Rythmik LV12r. Since music is your biggest priority, you ought to consider the Dayton Titanic 4 kit as well, that may be more appropriate for music in a room like that then the Hsu or Rythmik.
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Best sub at $600 is really a choice between the Hsu VTF2 and Rythmik LV12r

 

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Thanks for all the advice, everyone.  If I had my way, after looking at the options, I'd probably go with the LV12R or the VTF2 (emphasis on IF.....I had my way!)  My better half is less than amused with a 20"+ "black box" in the living room, so I'm looking at smaller options that will clearly be a compromise, and I'll probably be stuck with a 10" driver.  

 

Kef Kube2 is only about 13" in all dimensions? Any thoughts on this unit?  It's clearly undersized for my space, but better than nothing?

 

Emotiva Ultrasub 10 or 12?  Also much smaller than the LV12R or VTF2, but I don't see it available anymore.  Is it still being sold?  

 

Any other suggestions for a smaller sub, that would ring in <$500 or so?  

 

 

Thanks again for all the input - much appreciated!! 

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Thanks for all the advice, everyone.  If I had my way, after looking at the options, I'd probably go with the LV12R or the VTF2 (emphasis on IF.....I had my way!)  My better half is less than amused with a 20"+ "black box" in the living room, so I'm looking at smaller options that will clearly be a compromise, and I'll probably be stuck with a 10" driver.  

 

Kef Kube2 is only about 13" in all dimensions? Any thoughts on this unit?  It's clearly undersized for my space, but better than nothing?

 

Emotiva Ultrasub 10 or 12?  Also much smaller than the LV12R or VTF2, but I don't see it available anymore.  Is it still being sold?  

 

Any other suggestions for a smaller sub, that would ring in <$500 or so?  

 

 

Thanks again for all the input - much appreciated!! 


You have a large room in which many would state the $600 subs you are considering would already be a compromise for your space.  My advice.....do a cardboard mock up of an orbit shifter and a Rythmik FV15HP so she sees how big they are, and the price, then she will be happy with your reasonably small 12" sub options.  This is YOUR hobby, compromise is essential in a non dedicated home theater room, but she needs to realize that a $600 sub in a room that size is already a compromise of sorts.

 

In the end, if you lose the battle and you end up being the only one to compromise, the sb2000 might be the least horrible downgrade for your room.


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Sorry to semi-thread hijack. I don't see a reason to create a near identical thread.

If one was more in to home theater viewing, would one (HSU vs Rythmik) be better? I have a similar cubic footage situation. Also, any impressions regarding the aesthetics with HSU vs Rythmik? The space I would be using the sub for would be in a generic family rec room area with a big screen TV so it has to be reasonably nice looking.

Lastly, I'm extremely new to home audio speakers/equipment and grew up in a family with a cheap CRT / no home audio equipment. I've spent more than a few hours reading this forum and elsewhere, but can anybody with that perspective in mind tell me is if I spend this type of cash, will I be blown away compared to something cheaper like a Pioneer SP-PK52FS? Or is this a kind of situation where you are spending $$$ to get that next 10% level of improvement...

Thanks for any guidance.
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Thanks for the input.  I'm leaning toward the SB-2000, after checking it out.  The rhythmic unit is also nice, but it's too big for the space I'm in, which is acoustically terrible (long, narrow, and I'm at one end with a wall right behind my head.)  I'd love to go for a nice 15" unit, but I'd probably wake up with it on my head one morning.  Thanks to everyone for the help!! 

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My advice.....do a cardboard mock up of an orbit shifter and a Rythmik FV15HP so she sees how big they are, and the price, then she will be happy with your reasonably small 12" sub options.

I like that idea. You wouldn't happen to be a politician, would you? tongue.gif

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I like that idea. You wouldn't happen to be a politician, would you? tongue.gif

Lol...nah....but sometimes i think our other halves don't understand that we ARE compromising, as in this op's case.  It helps to show them what others are doing in such a room size.  I constantly showed my wife pictures of dual rythmiks with giant floorstanding speakers, it helped her to understand that my $800 sub and bookshelf speakers was a compromise.(Still ended up buying her a new chair and a mac book pro, but hey, we do what we have to)


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Very true, but there's compromise on her end too.  I've got a 300 gallon saltwater aquarium that may be slightly large for our bedroom!  I guess I have to pick my battles!  I guess where I'm at is, I'd have to get something quite large, probably 15", to really "work" in the large space I'm in.  It's only temporary, for a couple of years, and when we move, I'll have an excuse to go out and buy a sub that can dual as a hot tub, if I want.  Thanks for all the help on this, guys!  

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Dr. HSU is a big believer in near-field sub placement. Especially in an environment where the sub size does not fit the room size. So, in that scenario, the sub would be at the back of the room instead of the front. I'm not familiar with the Sib speakers, but if you can crossover at 80 HZ or lower, you would normally (there are exceptions) not be able to localize the bass as originating at the back of the room.

This gives you the option of putting the sub behind the coach, as a side table, or in a back corner where it can be hidden by a plant, or artwork, or whatever your imagination can conjure up to increase the WAF.

Just another idea to consider in your search for good bass reproduction while being married! biggrin.gif
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