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post #1 of 73 Old 02-03-2014, 10:26 PM - Thread Starter
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So i need some suggestions for a sub, I have about 800-1200 to spend on it. My room is about 2100 cu-ft.

The room its self is located in the basement of the house, the floors are carpeted over concrete and the walls have a thin wood panel over concrete walls, with a drop tile ceiling. Also there is a stair well that is attached to the room that can't be closed off but this is included in the total footage provided.

 

The room is about 22ft Long 13ft wide and 7ft high.

 

The seating will be roughly 9 feet from the front speakers and the speakers will be about 3 feet from the front wall, and 2 feet from the side wall of the room. 

 

What I'm doing with it is 70% ht and 30% music, My goal is to get something that really gives me the full LEF experience in movies. Also to be noted there is no restriction on color, size or placement of the sub. Another thing to consider is I live with two other bachelors and one of them has a dog, so down firing is preferred if possible "they like to get drunk and clumsy" 

 

I currently have 6 ascend acoustic 170se and the 340se for my center in my 7.0 setup, using a denon 1913 for my receiver.

 

Just to point out i have had the 7.0 for just over a year now and i have been trolling over forums and emailing various companies to get suggestions from them as well, but i keep getting this undecided feeling that makes me keep looking for the correct sub. When i started looking about a year ago i was leaning towards cheaper subs like the Dayton 12, and the BIC 12, but the more i read the more i realized that i would just end up regretting that choice.

 

This was confirmed when I built a 5.1 for my GF over Christmas and got her a 10" sub for her setup and realized that in order to get the feeling from the sub that i wanted i had to push the whole system to its max, and lets be honest pushing something to its limits to get what you want will only cause grief in the long run. When I tested her sub it was in a much smaller room too.

 

 

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The best ported sub you can get for 1200 looks like the SVS PC12-Plus. However, you would also get great results with dual Hsu VTF2s or Rythmik LV12rs. I would probably lean to the dual sub setups personally.
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Butch,

 

That's a very lenient price range for your room. I am also envious of your HT room dimensions. That's perfect. Toss up some acoustical treatments on those walls and you're really smoking...

 

One thing popped out to me and that's your worry about the "bumpus hounds" hurting the sub. I've got a budding kidlet, and he worries me non stop. So, I'm going to focus on a sub that I think would be best in this regard- trust me, I understand! I had to keep this in mind during my purchase. Also, and I may have missed it, but I assume you'll want a ported sub, so that's what I went with.

 

SVS PB2000 $800

This is a very powerful sup and would be suitable for your room (imo this is likely all you need, but ymmv). SVS has a 45 day try it, or ship it back policy. They also have a 1 year full refund upgrade policy. Another thing this is a brand new design, with some of the newest technology available. No one has been disappointed. 

 

Dual HSU VTF2mk4 $1200: These are great subs, with some very nice adjustments you don't always find on a sub, especially at that price. They are downfiring. If you like a sealed sound with music, you can plug the ports, flip a switch, and tighten the sound a little, of course YMMV, but I think it's a decent option to have.

 

Dual SVS PB-12 $1300 (SVS Outlet)

This is $100 out of your range, but it's a phenomenal deal! I think you'll get a bit more head room than the Dual HSUs, but without the VTF features.

 

That's about the best I can suggest within the confines of protecting that woofer, and other considerations. SVS, even though they are front firing, they have a nice protective steel mesh grill which should provide enough protection. Again, I'd just hit up that PB2000, and I think you'll be happy. Spend the $400 on some bass traps if you haven't yet. Your room has a lot of potential. 

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... I have about 800-1200 to spend on it. My room is about 2100 cu-ft. ... My goal is to get something that really gives me the full [LFE] experience in movies. Also to be noted there is no restriction on color, size or placement of the sub. Another thing to consider is ... down firing is preferred if possible ...
Dual Outlaw LFM-1 Plus subs ($1,098/pr. + shipping).

Although the regular price is $549/ea. + shipping, Outlaw has had them on sale for as low as $499/ea., shipped, so if you're not in a hurry to buy, you could get duals for just under $1,000 all in.
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With the Ascends....I'd lean towards the Svs in the lower range & Rythmik for the upper ranges of that budget. I own Ascends and would also suggest you consider the other sub in my sig not named Svs....it blends very nicely with my Towers...YMMV...but listen for yourself if possible. Svs offers a "no hassle" return policy and PSA offers free shipping ...others mentioned here simply don't and returning subs is a costly proposition if you're unhappy in the end.

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Two PSA XV15s. A bit more than your budget but down-firing, built like a brick outhouse with a boatload of output.

Close to your budget, a PSA XV30; $1,259.00 delivered. Two, 15", down-firing drivers in the same enclosure and the enclosure can be used as an end table. Nearfield placement will literally rock the sofa. Capable of dealing with youthful exuberance.

In your budget, a single XV15 but now the output is going be weakened, you're going lose what you want and you're not going be happy.

Budget wise, close but a bit more than your price range (best choice), a pair of XV15s.

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Although not the most potent subs listed here I will agree with eljay with either dual Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Plus's or EX's. OR another solid choice would be dual SVS PC12-NSD's. Your room isn't huge but I really think you'd gain a lot by going with dual subs.

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I have been seeing a lot of suggestions for two subs, my Primary concern is LFE, music is a side note that I don't concern my self with often. the only reason its 30% is because my roommates like to listen to music otherwise it would be 100% HT/gaming.

 

On that note I'm looking for something that hits hard, gets low, and does so without stressing the unit too much "or units if that's better".

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2 subs are much better than 1. First 2 subs placed correctly will help fill the "whole" room with bass so every seat has a more even bass freq resp, while with 1 sub you may have spots in the room where the bass is too strong and other spots where the bass almost disappears. Second 2 subs will give you more output and headroom so you can get the ULF without making your subs break a sweat. I have dual subs and I will never go back to single.
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You can get a pair of HSU VTF3-MK4 for $1300, and they are side firing so the driver should be out of harms way for the most part. You get 16Hz response, great output, and the VTF subs have a lot of good tuning options. Two subs is definitely the way to go.

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Except shipping on the dual VTF3-MK4 is $198 so now your price is $1,517.

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I have been seeing a lot of suggestions for two subs, my Primary concern is LFE ... On that note I'm looking for something that hits hard, gets low, and does so without stressing the unit too much "or units if that's better".
+1 to flickhtguru's explanation in post #11.

A single LFM-1 Plus would perform well in your HT space. Duals would be tremendous. They're powerful and "tunable" (max output or sub-20Hz max extension), and come with a three-year comprehensive (driver and electronics) warranty.

If you don't want to wait for a sale, get one LFM-1 Plus now (at $549 + shipping) and add a second one (if you feel that a second one is required or desired) when a sale comes along.
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Except shipping on the dual VTF3-MK4 is $198 so now your price is $1,517.

Oh you're right, HSU needs to start offering free shipping...

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Oh you're right, HSU needs to start offering free shipping...

I heard that Hsu is going start selling two VTF3-MK4 for $1,517.00.....no extra charge for shipping.

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Oh you're right, HSU needs to start offering free shipping...

No one offers free shipping.

 

Its like a hotel that offers a room for $99 with free breakfast and free cable:

 

Room: $79, cable, $10, breakfast, $10.  But $99 total price makes everything free......

 

 

If SVS did not offer "free" shipping, they would probably be able to price the PB2000 at $725.  Those that don't return them are covering the cost of those that do.


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I heard that Hsu is going start selling two VTF3-MK4 for $1,517.00.....no extra charge for shipping.

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They will also discount that price almost $200 if you swing by their shop and pick them up. ;)


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They will also discount that price almost $200 if you swing by their shop and pick them up. wink.gif

Now that's a "REAL" discount.
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No one offers free shipping.

Its like a hotel that offers a room for $99 with free breakfast and free cable:

Room: $79, cable, $10, breakfast, $10.  But $99 total price makes everything free......


If SVS did not offer "free" shipping, they would probably be able to price the PB2000 at $725.  Those that don't return them are covering the cost of those that do.

Okay good point haha

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Okay good point haha

However, it does make sense to add shipping cost on the companies that don't include it in the price of their subs to do apples to apples cost/performance comparisons.


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However, it does make sense to add shipping cost on the companies that don't include it in the price of their subs to do apples to apples cost/performance comparisons.

specifically which sub brands? Like in 600 including shipping budget range.

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specifically which sub brands? Like in 600 including shipping budget range.

HSU VTF2.4

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HSU VTF2.4
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so you mean either one of them will outperform the rythmik lv12r? Coz it only cost 599 including shipping so it means only sub itself cost 500-520. The rest shipping cost.

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For under $600 shipped your good performing options are SVS PB/SB1000 @$499, Rythmik LV12R @$589, and Hsu VTF2-MK4 on sale @$596. The Outlaw LFM-1 Plus is $620 shipped.

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From all you mention which one you gonna pick?Ht use only. The outlaw?

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I have 2 Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Plus's and I love them I got them on sale for $998 shipped. But if I were to upgrade I would either go dual SVS PB2000 or PSA XV15, if more money were available I'd have PSA XS30's, HSU VTF-15H and Rythmik FV15HP's on my list.

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From all you mention which one you gonna pick?
The LV12R - which you were "about to purchase" yesterday - is an excellent option.
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From all you mention which one you gonna pick?Ht use only.

Cal, stop what you're doing, order that Rythmik, and stay off AVS until it arrives at the door. :) 

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For under $600 shipped your good performing options are SVS PB/SB1000 @$499, Rythmik LV12R @$589, and Hsu VTF2-MK4 on sale @$596. The Outlaw LFM-1 Plus is $620 shipped.

The Outlaw has more amp power but the Hsu has an improved driver. The Rythmik has the servo thing. I don't think the SVS 1000s will be as good as any of these. If it were me I would flip a coin between the VTF2 and Rythmik. The Rythmik seems to pick up details that other subs can miss, the the Hsu will probably have a beefier driver that can stay cleaner at louder levels.
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