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post #31 of 39 Old 02-11-2014, 12:05 PM
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I think the whole argument over which sub has a flatter response is moot. What you hear in a parking and what you'll hear in an enclosed room are very different. If a smoother response is what you want then get multiple subs and/or good room correction. It will go a lot further in getting an even response.
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If you are dead set on a 10" sub and can spend $500 IMO its a no-brainer. SVS PB-1000.

But just so you know I used to have about a 1,000 sq ft house and my livingroom/HT was in the basement. It was a sealed room at 1,771 cu/ft. I had 2 Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Plus's in that room, 350 Watts RMS each 12" sub each, ran in 1 port max extension mode. While I loved those subs in that room it wasn't excessive, infact I wouldn't have wanted any less sub and I'm NOT a basshead. My point being unless you are going to spend close to $1k on a single sub I don't think you will be satisfied. I went with dual subs and I will NEVER go back to a single. I will always stay with duals or maybe even quads. Why? Because of evening out the freq resp throughout the whole room to have even bass at each seat, and to have the headroom for a guy's night when I wanna show off my system.

Well, I thought I was locking into a 10" ported sub but I have read that even with the 5.25" drivers in my mains that 10" is considered too small.  Someone posted that the sub size (woofer diameter) should be twice the size of your main drivers.  The 10" seemed like the right call because of my room size (1420ft^3), small mains and of course my $500 budget.  Then someone said to look at the PA-150 which fits my budget but is a huge jump in size to a 15" woofer.  I seem to have less of an idea of what I want/need now than I did before.  The one thing I'm firm on is ported vs. sealed.


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For a 3,000 cubic feet room, best to step up from the STF-2. That's a large space for a 10" sub.

In this price range of ~$500, the PB-1000 would be my pick. If your budget was a little higher, the Rythmik LV12R.

The entire open space is 3000ft^3.  The listening area is 1420 which opens up to a dining area/kitchen.  However, the opening to this area is less than half the size of the longest wall in the listening area.  According to my reading in this forum, I don't need to include this area.


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The entire open space is 3000ft^3.  The listening area is 1420 which opens up to a dining area/kitchen.  However, the opening to this area is less than half the size of the longest wall in the listening area.  According to my reading in this forum, I don't need to include this area.

Unless the room is sealed you need to factor in some amount of bass leakage into other areas. To feel the affect of sub 20hz frequencies the room needs to be pressurized to some extent.

For $500 with their no risk trial period I'd give the PB-1000 a shot. If it works for you, keep it. If not send it back and look elsewhere.

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Well, I thought I was locking into a 10" ported sub but I have read that even with the 5.25" drivers in my mains that 10" is considered too small.  Someone posted that the sub size (woofer diameter) should be twice the size of your main drivers.  The 10" seemed like the right call because of my room size (1420ft^3), small mains and of course my $500 budget.  Then someone said to look at the PA-150 which fits my budget but is a huge jump in size to a 15" woofer.  I seem to have less of an idea of what I want/need now than I did before.  The one thing I'm firm on is ported vs. sealed.


10" is not too small. You need the right 10".

Like others have repeatedly recommended, utilize the free trail from SVS. Establish a bench mark. If the subwoofer disappoints return it and back to the drawing board

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I have a single vtf1 mk2 in a smallish living room 23"6 by 11"10 with 8" ceilings.(condo). I can play any blu ray or music up to -10 and most to -5 with zero port noise or audible distortion. My parents have a bic f12 and its not even close between the two. My 10" walks all over their 12" even when tested in their living room side by side. If your not listening at reference the svs or hsu 10" will be plenty. If your in a house though just spend the extra $200 or less and don't think what if?
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I have a single vtf1 mk2 in a smallish living room 23"6 by 11"10 with 8" ceilings.(condo). I can play any blu ray or music up to -10 and most to -5 with zero port noise or audible distortion. My parents have a bic f12 and its not even close between the two. My 10" walks all over their 12" even when tested in their living room side by side. If your not listening at reference the svs or hsu 10" will be plenty. If your in a house though just spend the extra $200 or less and don't think what if?


Thanks for your input.  Your room is much bigger than mine so it's good to hear a first-hand testimony regarding a 10" preforming sufficiently.


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Thanks for your input.  Your room is much bigger than mine so it's good to hear a first-hand testimony regarding a 10" preforming sufficiently.

Remember without real measurements anyone's feedback is subjective. Only you can verify if you like the sound of a subwoofer in your room. We all have different expectations.
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The entire open space is 3000ft^3.  The listening area is 1420 which opens up to a dining area/kitchen.  However, the opening to this area is less than half the size of the longest wall in the listening area.  According to my reading in this forum, I don't need to include this area.
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Thanks for your input.  Your room is much bigger than mine so it's good to hear a first-hand testimony regarding a 10" preforming sufficiently.
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Remember without real measurements anyone's feedback is subjective. Only you can verify if you like the sound of a subwoofer in your room. We all have different expectations.

I agree with deepat04. It's not an exact science trying to guess how much sub someone will need between how the sub interacts with the room and an individual's personal preferences. And it's not just "a" 10 subwoofer that was cited as performing OK. It was the ~$500 class of 10" sub from an ID vendor. So after my experience with a 10" sub, I still would caution against the STF-2 unless the difference in price is a real burden to you. Might not perform well.
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