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Old 02-13-2014, 06:36 AM
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Think they had more than one model with turbo in the name....pretty well respected subs IIRC.

Oh yeah. So nothing wrong with attaching the word "turbo" to a sub model smile.gif

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Maybe your expectation is why Dr Hsu changed the naming scheme? wink.gif

I actually have one of these http://www.turbospoke.com/products-turbospoke-what-is-it.aspx although I haven't quite had the reason to actually put it on one of my bikes....eek.gif
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Hsu never named any of his subs 'turbo'. Turbo was a name given to a accessory that could be attached to certain models which elongated the ports thereby deepening the tuning point and giving you more port output. Here is a picture of my old turbocharger:


You attached it to the unit like so:



It was an interesting idea, but goofy looking and only provided a performance advantage to the VTF3 HO series. It was shown not to do much for the MK3s.
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Attacking your sub isn't nice.....thanks for the clarification...but didn't they offer it as a "complete " sub?

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You guys better play it real safe, though, don't buy anything with the word "turbo" attached rolleyes.gif Definitely stay away from cars with that word, especially Porsche Turbos, they're no good at all....

Well there was a stretch. Great analogy. rolleyes.gif

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Attacking your sub isn't nice.....thanks for the clarification...but didn't they offer it as a "complete " sub?

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Fixed... damn you! eek.gif

They offered the turbos separately, but you could also purchase one with a VTF3 in a package deal.
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The HSU VTF-3 HO (High Output) was a very well-received sub that was part of Dr. Hsu's modular approach. He may have some patents -- I don't recall. The idea offered the ability to build a sub-system that could be tailored to a listening space and allow best placement for efficient LF and MB while adjusting for extension or output. This included the Turbo and the MBM-12. While it was pretty innovative, I always got the impression that the WAF was very low and it may have been a challenge for the casual enthusiast to integrate. As mentioned, the MK3 solved the the need for the Turbo unit.

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Hsu never named any of his subs 'turbo'. Turbo was a name given to a accessory that could be attached to certain models . . .

You are splitting hairs. He definitely sold it as the turbocharged version. I already linked to the product page that shows that, and he specifically calls it the "VTF-3 HO Turbo At a Glance" on the right of the page. And it's a misnomer anyway because that's not what a turbo charger is. LOL

I don't care if anyone wants to attach the word "turbo" to their sub. My point is that it makes about as much sense to say a sub won't be any good because it has "turbo" in the name as it would to define all bassheads as people who ride in around in cars with their subs blasting so loud that the trunk rattles. It's a useless stereotyping that has nothing to do with the quality of the sub.

That being said, "turbo" is kind of a dated marketing buzzword now.

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That being said, "turbo" is kind of a dated marketing buzzword now.
Time to start using "Extra Strength", "Enriched" or "Fortified". smile.gif
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Time to start using "Extra Strength", "Enriched" or "Fortified". smile.gif

Sounds like cereal, but I surprised if someone used those terms.

I am surprised, though, that subs aren't getting those geeky made up names like "flickr," "twitter." Check out this web 2.0 name generator: http://www.dotomator.com/web20.html

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Any mfg that uses the word "turbo" to describe their subwoofer, probably should be avoided. cool.gifsmile.gif

Fascinating discussion fellas smile.gif

To clear up any confusion, even though one of our subs is often referred to as "Turbo" the sub is actually called the BPS 212.
The "Turbo" designation was added as an upgrade option for $100 more to step up to a more powerful amplifier and beefier drivers.

I am aware that Kevin of Motor CIty Audio offered an upgrade to the now defunct AV123 MFW as the "MFW 15 Turbo".
That upgrade was well regarded in the av community and I am also aware that HSU also had a "Turbo" version of one of their subs at one time as well.
But I don't think those products are still offered? Correct me if I am wrong.
It should also be noted that a very well respected name in Pro Audio Subwoofers years ago was named "Turbosound".

I don't think were trying to convince anyone that our subs actually have an engine with a turbocharger on it, just looking for a way to distinguish two products as to avoid confusion.
Yes the name is a little silly but subs are supposed to be fun right?

Jim (Our cabinet guru) suggested we call it the "BPS 212 Ultra" but I had to explain that would cause confusion as other manufacturers already use that name to describe more powerful models in their lineup.



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Sounds like cereal ...
Or painkillers or fibre-based laxatives. The latter brings to mind the "brown notes" people keep talking about... wink.gif
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Or painkillers or fibre-based laxatives. The latter brings to mind the "brown notes" people keep talking about... wink.gif

Perhaps the "Extra Strength, Fortified qaudruple 18" should be in the works? wink.gif

Just kidding.

That's hilarious!
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Perhaps the "Extra Strength, Fortified qaudruple 18" should be in the works? wink.gif
It would be the sh*t! cool.gif
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It would be the sh*t! cool.gif

I almost fell out of my chair with that one.
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I learned a lot from the Internet today:

 

At least it's not the "iBPS 212"...the "i" in Apple products used to stand for internet, now it's just brand recognition for people who do not research what they are buying.  :)

 

Also, I'd like to note that the word ultra is defined as, "being very far from the center of public opinion", by Merriam.  Synonyms include: fanatical, extremist, rabid...   So it's not a very good descriptor for a subwoofer.


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I vote for "turboencabulator"
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When I was in college, someone had a car with a standard metal mailbox attached to his hood with "turbo" spray painted on the side of it.  One of the funniest things I have ever seen.


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Also, I'd like to note that the word ultra is defined as, "being very far from the center of public opinion", by Merriam.  Synonyms include: fanatical, extremist, rabid...   So it's not a very good descriptor for a subwoofer.

A) You've got way too much time on your hands.

B) That's actually the perfect description for subwoofer owners. biggrin.gif

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Or painkillers or fibre-based laxatives. The latter brings to mind the "brown notes" people keep talking about... wink.gif

Hmmm....perhaps certain bass notes with enough SPL would have that effect. LOL

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Hey folks, thanks for the help and replies.  I took a gamble and almost doubled my budget to buy the Reaction Audio dual 212 turbos.  I'll keep you updated when I get them!  (First week of March).


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Good, I really look forward to hearing you thoughts. Congrats on your new subs.

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Hey folks, thanks for the help and replies.  I took a gamble and almost doubled my budget to buy the Reaction Audio dual 212 turbos.  I'll keep you updated when I get them!  (First week of March).

All right! Thanks for taking one for the team! smile.gif

Definitely come back to your thread and let us know what you think. Been waiting to hear impressions of those.

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I would like to throw in some input as I just put up a review on the SVS PB-1000.  

 

Let me break down the benefits of going with this subwoofer:

 

1. 5 year bulletproof warranty! -> Most companies will only give 2 year on amp, 5 year on driver.

2. 1 year FULL trade in value!

3. Customer service!

4. low distortion

5. solid 20hz output for $500

6. Amazing amp, DSP and limiter/protection... Almost indestructible. 

7. linear response curve

 

The trade off SVS seems to use with this model is the limited output.  Though to my ears it plays very loud, some users say it does not.  Most subwoofers I encountered seem to play 40-80hz louder than 20-40hz.. Making those subwoofer sound a lot louder.  Either way, if you are looking to MAX your SPL for dollar do not go with this model.  But if you want a long lasting unit, that sounds amazing and plays a solid 20hz, you should be fine!

 

Like another member said, the SB1000 will play a bit tighter, but will not have the extra extension or "feel"

 

My input on the BPS 212 -> I have NOT heard this model.  But I used to own some of the Mirage BPS subwoofers that seem to be very similar in design.  They sounded good, but did not have the low extension like the ported models, nor the volume.  However, the benefit was a very smooth response where the bass "came from no where" and integrated very nicely with the rest of my system.  This may be useless information, but though I'd throw it in there to potentially help you with your decision.

 

At the end of the day:

 

I think the BPS 212 will sound great, and have good output above 30hz, but I think it may lack a bit of the ultra-low frequencies.  

 

The PB1000 (I've had for 6 months) is tuned at 20hz or very close, so you will get a solid 20hz performance.  Also it is bulletproof, and sounds great, but may to some shy on output.  (although my listening space is large, with openings, and high ceilings I can not only FEEL the bass it is plenty loud)

 

The SB1000 will play very tight, also bulletproof, however will not have the extension and the extra output like the PB-1000.

 

In regards to someone mentioning the smaller HSU.  I have no experience with HSU, but to be honest.... When you read the hundreds of reviews from knowledgeable enthusiast on these sites.... I wont be the first to tell you.... HSU, SVS, OUTLAW and some other ID (internet direct) companies are OUTSTANDING value.... You will be happy with their products and service.

 

Anyways, just my input, I hope it helps!  Do not hesitate to ask me questions regarding my SVS PB1000, setup, room, etc.  I would love to help :)

 

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