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Hey all, long time lurker just joining as I'm thinking about doing some upgrades. Little backstory, I've always been an audiophile, from car audio, to my first home setup, having scraped together kit from craigslist to being sponsored in car audio by some big names.

 

Current setup is 5.1,  polk csi center, Klipsch F-30s, some old Sony surrounds that sound good, but will soon be migrating to the ceiling for 7.1, and  a KLH ASW10-125c running though an Onkyo TX-NR616

 

The KLH has been a hell of a workhorse for many many years, primarily when it and myself was in a 12'x12' bedroom, but since I bought a house 2 years ago, it just can't fill the room like it needs to.

 

The room is my living room, which is 21' deep and 16' wide with 8' ceilings, main seating is 11' from the center channel, and the sub is in the front right corner (no other options really) the room is in the center of the house, so it slightly opens up to the other areas (pics can be provided)

 

The system is primarily used for movies and gaming, but does see music duty fairly often, and I prefer to watch at about -20db.

 

Coming from primarily car audio, of course a Gotham g213 would be my dream haha, but budget is quite tight, so I've been looking hard at the PL 200 , but wonder if it has enough ass behind it to fill all this space.  If none of the deep end gurus here think it would cut it, I'll rub some pennies together to get something better from the used market.

 

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The room is my living room, which is 21' deep and 16' wide with 8' ceilings ... a Gotham g213 would be my dream haha, but budget is quite tight, so I've been looking hard at the PL 200 ...
2,688 cu.ft. You don't need to spend g213 money to get great bass in that room, but IMO you'll need to spend more than PL200 money.

If you can swing $800, options include the SVS PB-2000 and PSA XV15 ($799, shipped, for either sub).

For $600, the Rythmik LV12R ($599, shipped) or the SVS PB12-NSD ($600, shipped - see SVS' Outlet Specials section for new stock).

For $500, the SVS PB-1000 ($499, shipped) or the Premier Acoustic PA-150 ($499, shipped, at Amazon.com, although it can be had for less).

IMO, if budget is tight, get a PB-1000 now, add a second one later, and you should be pretty solid in that room.
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Thanks a bunch for the info :) How do you feel about the Outlaw LMF 1 (plus or EX)

 

BTW. Beautiful room Eljay

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They're well-rated subs, so I feel good about them... smile.gif ...even more so when they're on sale: The last time around, IIRC, they were selling for their current list prices (or perhaps $50 less) including shipping.
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Question, there is a local seller with an old VTF-2  , has a bad amp, claims that the Dayton Audio SPA250 is the replacement, which from the pics looks correct, and is $125 from PE. He's asking $45 , so I'd be about $200 into it.  opinions?

 

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Talk to others in the HSU Owners thread. Someone there will probably know if that amp is a drop in replacement.

I'd be concerned, though, that the sub has been abused.

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Look in the classified section there is a VTF-2 for 400.00, a VTF-3 for 525.00, a ED A5-350 for 400.00, SVS PB-10ISD for 300.00, PB-1000 for 400.00. I can keep going...point is there are plenty of solid used choices that will smoke a pl-200 for not much more coin.
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 PSA XV15
 

How would this Klipsch Synergy Sub-12 12" 300W Subwoofer stack up against the other 12's mentioned? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003VIWK0G/?ie=UTF8&tag=best-plasma-tvs-20&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B003VIWK0G

 

 

Not to get too far off track but I went to their website and saw they have very similar 15 (XS15) but its sealed. What is the biggest difference between the sealed XS15 and the vented XV15?

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How would this Klipsch Synergy Sub-12 12" 300W Subwoofer stack up against the other 12's mentioned?


Not to get too far off track but I went to their website and saw they have very similar 15 (XS15) but its sealed. What is the biggest difference between the sealed XS15 and the vented XV15?

The XV15 has more output around its tune and a slight advantage above its tune. Unless you have a smaller sealed room look at the XV15.
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How would this Klipsch Synergy Sub-12 12" 300W Subwoofer stack up against the other 12's mentioned?
IMO, it wouldn't. But if you're looking for a $200 sub, it's a decent option.

Re. the XS15 vs. XV15: What basshead81 said. smile.gif
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IMO, it wouldn't. But if you're looking for a $200 sub, it's a decent option.

Re. the XS15 vs. XV15: What basshead81 said. smile.gif

 

I see. $200 seems like a fair deal on that..

 

So if your dealing with a smaller room a sealed subwoofer is a "better" option? For my living room its a pretty open floor plan being the living and the kitchen have no real separation. Does that really matter?

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So if your dealing with a smaller room a sealed subwoofer is a "better" option?
Viable, not better. Cabin gain will allow a sealed sub to go low in a small room. In a large room there's no cabin gain, so it won't go low.
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It does. As far as the low frequencies are concerned it's one large room.

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