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I'm the guy who owns a BOSE Accoustimass 16 II sub and reading this forum makes me realize I'm a little fish in a BIIIG sea. II'd like to upgrade but need some help. I've been reading great things about the SVS subs but I'm open to suggestions. I've got a budget in the $500-600ish range. I've read ported vrs sealed and still not sure. So hopefully you all can help me out? 

 

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Room Dimensions: 17ft long x 12ft wide x 8ft high

 

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The Bose unit isn't a subwoofer it's a midbass module. For that room I'l look into SVS PB1000. I own two SVS subs, a SB Ultra 13 and SB 12+, had a couple of SVS cylinders also.

PB1000 is pretty big I assume you'll put it to the left somewhere?
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Room Dimensions: 17ft long x 12ft wide x 8ft high
For $499, shipped: SVS PB-1000. For $599, shipped: Rythmik LV12R.


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Jump on a PB-12NSD for 599.00 in the outlet section if/when they restock.
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The Bose unit isn't a subwoofer it's a midbass module. For that room I'l look into SVS PB1000. I own two SVS subs, a SB Ultra 13 and SB 12+, had a couple of SVS cylinders also.

PB1000 is pretty big I assume you'll put it to the left somewhere?

I have a space under the right side of the TV were the Bose Midbass module is located. The opening is 24in wide and 16in high.

 

What about the SVS SB12-NSD? 

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Jump on a PB-12NSD for 599.00 in the outlet section if/when they restock.

 

What about the SB12-NSD? I have an email into SVS for thier input as well. 

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I do prefer sealed boxes, but you have to be aware like for like, the ported boxes/cylinders offer higher dB max output. Whether you'd reach the limits in your room with the cheapest SB, or say if you went for the Ultra? Depends, if it's just for music, no problem at all, but if you like it loud for action movies? Getting a PB/PC in your budget probably a safer option.

I think my SB 12+ would struggle in a large room...but I do know the newer SVS SB have a few more dB output (ie SB2000)
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What about the SB12-NSD? I have an email into SVS for thier input as well. 

I think sealed can work well in your size room. You will loose some output vs the PB in the 16-25hz area, but being you are coming from a bose acoustimass modules, the sb12 will be a huge upgrade. Also you have a 45day free trial with SVS.
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Good point, you have free trail and it's free return shipping too? If so I'd probably get PB1000 and SB1000, take a week off from work couple of days per sub movies, music, then change back and decide which you prefer/which is most suitable. Or if you don't like either, and want to step up a model, or three wink.gif

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Great points about the free trial and free shipping both ways, makes trying the SVS subs a no brainer. I agree with the thoughts that a sealed sub would work well in your room and they pointed out, coming from the Bose you will probably think you've died and gone to bass heaven with the SB12. You're making a great move getting rid of the Bose and looking at the quality sub from SVS.

 

On another note, just to add some variety to your options, you could also look at Rythmik, Hsu, and PSA (but I don't think PSA has anything for less that $800).

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I just measured the available area for my sub and its only 16.5in high / 23in wide so all of the SVS ported subs are too big. Thoughts? 

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The PB1000 should fit if you put it on its side, if that is the only placement option in the room.  Remember, subwoofer placement is flexible....how about a rear corner of the room?

 

As far as a sealed sub, you should get good room gain which helps low frequency output for movies.  What are your wishes?  Mostly music?  Mostly movies? Both?

 

I do think the best advice would be to order both a ported and sealed sub, and demo both with something like WoTW pod emergence scene to see which you prefer for movies.  They should sound quite similar for music, not much difference above 40Hz with similar sealed and ported subs.


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Does it effect anything if you turn a sub on its side? 

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Does it effect anything if you turn a sub on its side? 

Other than helping it to fit, no.  Although you might want a rubber mat or some rubber bumpers under it to prevent vibration.


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What about the SB12-NSD? I have an email into SVS for thier input as well. 

The SVS SB12-NSD would work wonderfully in your size room. Has plenty of output for your size space. While SVS ported subs will dig deeper, the SB12 will have way more extension than your Acoustimass does and will sound light years better. Read about it in this review. Note that the listening test was in a 4,000 cubic ft. room.

If you are determined to get that extra bit of extension that the PB-1000 has, you could spend more for the new SB-2000, the updated version of the SB12, which has better extension that is at least as good as the PB-1000.

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The space I have available to fit a sub will JUST FIT a PB1000 so I went head and ordered one. I really wanted the PB2000 but its just too big. 

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Please let us know your impressions from a Bose sub to a real SVS subwoofer. I can't wait to hear shock and awe!

Congrats on the purchase!
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A fine choice.  Good luck with the new sub, I am sure you will be impressed!


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You are going to have fun with that sub smile.gif

Be sure to pick up a few of the four to five star movies from this list to test it out with: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333462/the-new-master-list-of-bass-in-movies-with-frequency-charts
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The space I have available to fit a sub will JUST FIT a PB1000 so I went head and ordered one. I really wanted the PB2000 but its just too big. 

Congrats on your new sub. Let us know what you think.

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MY PB1000 ARRIVED TODAY! I'll be testing it tonight and letting you all know how my life has changed....Now to figure out how to get the wife and mother inlaw out of the house so I can play...

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Now to figure out how to get the wife and mother inlaw out of the house so I can play...

I would think that would be obvious. Crank up the sub!!! smile.gif

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MY PB1000 ARRIVED TODAY! I'll be testing it tonight and letting you all know how my life has changed....Now to figure out how to get the wife and mother inlaw out of the house so I can play...

And.............?

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And.............?

Based on the delayed response hes dead of sub shock
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can you imagine if he went from Bose midbass module to quad PB Ultra 13's?
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WHHHHHHOOOOAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I feel like THIS GUY!!!!!!!!

 

 

AVATAR - The scene when Jake lands on the giant orange dragon I felt the power of the roar in my chest

TRANSFORMERS - I could feel the helicopter blades on the opening scene, the 109 shells firing during the fight scene in Katar were well defined, it wasn't "BOOMY"...it was real bass! 

 

The highlight of my demo was when my neighbor text me to see what the heck was going on over there.....helllzzzz yeah....icing on the cake! So as expected the transition from the BOSE to the SVS PB1000 was amazing and I don't know how I called this a home theater before??? I have now seen heaven and it is called SVS...I am reborn! 

 

Which brings me to my NEW problem.....

 

Wednesday night SVS put (3) PB12 - NSD's on the outlet and I secured one. If you look at my set up picture at the top of the thread I have a 17in high opening for the sub on the bottom right of the cabinet. The PB12 is 17.3in high. Would it be worth the effort to raise my wall mounted cabinet 1-2 inches and upgrade from the PB1000 to the PB12-NSD? This would take me from a 10in to 12 in sub and 300w RMS to 400w RMS.....will I notice a huge difference? I don't have the funds for a PB2000 otherwise that would be a no brainer. 

 

Thoughts??? 

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Yep. Step up to what many of us call the "enthusiast class" of subs and it's a whole new world of home audio when it comes to bass. Have you tried any music with bass yet? Probably going to like that too smile.gif

The PB12 is undoubtedly a better price/performance class of sub over the PB-1000. Would you notice a big difference? I don't know if we can tell you that. It should have a bit better SQ and it will go louder. Given the dimensions of your room (not very big), the extra volume output probably should not matter.

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AVATAR - The scene when Jake lands on the giant orange dragon I felt the power of the roar in my chest
TRANSFORMERS - I could feel the helicopter blades on the opening scene, the 109 shells firing during the fight scene in Katar were well defined, it wasn't "BOOMY"...it was real bass! 

The highlight of my demo was when my neighbor text me to see what the heck was going on over there.....helllzzzz yeah....icing on the cake! So as expected the transition from the BOSE to the SVS PB1000 was amazing and I don't know how I called this a home theater before??? I have now seen heaven and it is called SVS...I am reborn! 

Which brings me to my NEW problem.....

Wednesday night SVS put (3) PB12 - NSD's on the outlet and I secured one. If you look at my set up picture at the top of the thread I have a 17in high opening for the sub on the bottom right of the cabinet. The PB12 is 17.3in high. Would it be worth the effort to raise my wall mounted cabinet 1-2 inches and upgrade from the PB1000 to the PB12-NSD? This would take me from a 10in to 12 in sub and 300w RMS to 400w RMS.....will I notice a huge difference? I don't have the funds for a PB2000 otherwise that would be a no brainer. 

Thoughts??? 

Its only worth it if you need the extra output, how loud are you listening to your system. It will also give you headroom so less distortion at the same level
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I think it might be worth it because the SQ would get a boost but as jwtallguy said, the louder you play it the more you will notice the difference. Thinking down the road, if you ever move to a place where your HT will be in a larger room then you'd be happy you had the larger sub. 

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