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Jack D Ripper -> Great way to put it!

 

For $500 the PB1000 is VERY hard to beat!  

 

I am very satisfied with mine, and one day I may buy another, or who knows try another product from SVS.  I will stick to them for the rest of my audio purchases.  It is rare you see such a great company across the board!

 

Have a great night, don't hesitate to ask further questions regarding your purchase.  I will try my best to direct you to the best solution.

 

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The thing is, though, that good measurements of a subwoofer can tell us a lot about how it will perform. Enough that I rely on the measurements quite a bit more that say with speakers.

Certainly the subjective listening tests of either review are no more or less valid--they are subjective and it's however one wants to weigh that kind of thing in evaluating reviews. But Chris's measurements are outdoor groundplane and include a lot more information. As you may know, outdoor groundplane is the golden standard for testing because (a) it can get us closer to seeing the sub's native response and (b) it's accepted and somewhat replicable, so we can compare the measurements against other subwoofers (such as on data-bass.com) more easily and with more confidence. Then Chris's extra measurements reveal something we haven't seen any of the other PB-1000 reviews--the high levels of distortion once the sub was pushed to 100db. So yeah. If you know how to read the measurements, there's definitely a lot more information there.

As usual, you make some very valid points. Since there are no data-bass measurements on either of these subs, it's good to see these measurements. The distortion chart is also mildly interesting to me. Mildly? Well, I don't listen at reference levels or near reference levels, so the distortion figures, while interesting, won't effect me. They may, however, effect many here, so again, I see your point.

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Jack D Ripper -> Great way to put it!

For $500 the PB1000 is VERY hard to beat!  

I am very satisfied with mine, and one day I may buy another, or who knows try another product from SVS.  I will stick to them for the rest of my audio purchases.  It is rare you see such a great company across the board!

Have a great night, don't hesitate to ask further questions regarding your purchase.  I will try my best to direct you to the best solution.

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Can't wait for your thread when you purchase a sub in the $800-$1000 range......
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Reference_head -> Some people have nothing better to do.

 

SnoPro700 -> Let me try and help you out.

 

The SVS PB-2000 is in a different league than the PB-1000.  It will have 75% more max output across the board, and dig a bit deeper.  However, 2 PB1000 will have more output (about 25%) and balance the sound providing a smoother response.  1 PB-2000 = $800, 2 PB-1000 = $950.  Honestly, I feel both are remarkable deals!

 

Like you, I am getting a bit older and no longer enjoy listening at extreme listening volumes.  However, I do need to feel my movies.  The single PB-1000 I am running, it easily fills my listening area with clean bass that I can also feel.  My area is large with openings to halls, kitchen and the outdoors, as well permanently opened windows.  But, the main limitation of the PB1000 is it will not put out enough output to blow your pants like a kite.  If you require that type of output, you need either something way more expensive, or something with a higher tuning point.

 

At the end of your day, I feel from what I read you want a musical subwoofer with decent output.... I would like to say the SB2000 but it may not fill a room your size... The PB1000 might be enough volume, but maaaaybe not clean enough or your taste... Kind of risky.. I'm almost sure 1 PB2000 will DEF satisfy you... And 2 PB1000 if clean enough for your listening requirements will be MORE than enough volume, and will have all the other benefits we discussed in prior post.

 

The LVR sub seems amazing as well... I don't think you can go wrong with any ID company... I personally just went with SVS because I feel if you factor everything in, they are the best.  (again, this is just my opinion)

Best of luck, let me know if you need more insight, details from my system/systems or listening environment specifications.

 

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My room seems to be somewhat like yours, with more of an open floor plan. Thanks for all the insight BTW. The PB2000 is probably better suited for me.

 

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What you get with the PB-1000 is the deepest, flattest bass of any subwoofer at its price point.  (Saying that kind of thing is always risky, because someone might start selling a new subwoofer that beats it, but I doubt it has happened.)  So if you listen to recorded pipe organs, and only have $500, and want to get the lowest notes possible, the PB-1000 is for you.  If you want louder, and are willing to give up deep bass, you might want to consider the Premier Acoustic PA-150.  But it is trading deep bass for louder.  See:

 

http://www.audioholics.com/how-to-shop/500-subwoofer-roundup

 

None of this has to do with the idea of home theater or music; the function is the same in both cases, to accurately reproduce the signal.  But with a $500 budget, there are trade-offs.  The SVS PB-1000 is absolutely the subwoofer I would buy if I had only $500 (and were not buying used), because I want a deep, flat frequency response, and do not want the bass exaggerated as many people do who turn their subwoofers way up above a flat response.  For them, they will need a subwoofer than can play louder than what I need, if we are using the same or similar rooms.

 

If you stick to $500 and do not get the SVS PB-1000, you will be giving up deep bass and a very flat response for whatever virtues your choice has (assuming you don't simply pick a bad value subwoofer, and there are plenty of them).

 

 

But if you have the money for a higher model, you can get a better subwoofer.  So think carefully about what you want, and what you are willing to pay for it.  If you buy a better subwoofer than you need, you will only be out the difference in cost between it and whatever the cheapest one is that would be good enough.  And you will be ready for a larger room than your current one (though in your case, you have a quite large room already).  Whether you are planning on moving in the future or not is a factor in what sort of decision you should make.  If you will be putting it in a bigger room later, you probably will need a more capable subwoofer.  In your case, with your big room, you might want to go for a PB-2000 (or an even higher model), as a room with the dimensions you say is 4232 cubic feet, which is a quite large volume.  If you had the money for it, an Ultra would be better.  (You can save money by going with the approximately equivalent cylinder versions, which also have the virtue of being much lighter and an easier shape to grab onto, so they are much, much easier to move, and they also take up less floor space.)

Thanks for the great response, the room is an open floor plan which includes a smaller kitchen and is also open to two hallways one which has a door that can be shut. Hence the reason of the room being soo large. Starting to think the extra $300 might be worth it to go with the PB2000 even though $500 is really pushing it with my budget let alone $800. I like the nice flat response of the SVS line. I still have yet to get moved in as I was painting some walls today. I still have to purchase my TV but I plan on ordering everything all at once. Might sound odd but all I plan on running otherwise is a soundbar and someone how pairing it with either the PB1000, LV12r or possibly the PB2000. Eventually ill invest in some floor standers and a decent Denon receiver.

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SnoPro700 -> If your listening area is bigger than mine and you want to feel a real kick in the chest, you will need bigger.  If you have hardwood, and drywall, the PB1000 will vibrate it all, just wont kick your chest hard.

 

Also if you want more output other brands are better for that.  You will probably lose extension.

 

As well you could start with 1 PB1000, and add another down the road.  I feel 2 subs way better than 1.  But everyone is different.

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My room seems to be somewhat like yours, with more of an open floor plan. Thanks for all the insight BTW. The PB2000 is probably better suited for me.

Thanks for the great response, the room is an open floor plan which includes a smaller kitchen and is also open to two hallways one which has a door that can be shut. Hence the reason of the room being soo large. Starting to think the extra $300 might be worth it to go with the PB2000 even though $500 is really pushing it with my budget let alone $800. I like the nice flat response of the SVS line. I still have yet to get moved in as I was painting some walls today. I still have to purchase my TV but I plan on ordering everything all at once. Might sound odd but all I plan on running otherwise is a soundbar and someone how pairing it with either the PB1000, LV12r or possibly the PB2000. Eventually ill invest in some floor standers and a decent Denon receiver.

Does that open floor plan include the 4200 cubic feet you already gave us in measurements, or is it in addition to that? It would make a big difference on how much sub you need.

At 4200, the PB-1000 would be challenged at higher volume levels. Plus, if you jump in the ID 12" ported sub lines from the PB-1000, you should also get some slight SQ improvements. An alternative would be to get one PB-1000 now and a second later on to run duals. Dual subs have the potential to provide a smoother frequency response through a wider seating area.

Be sure to listen to soundbars before you buy. The SQ can be disappointing even compared to a good set of bookshelf speakers.You could pick up some bookshelves that you could run as rears in your full setup, and then this Sherbourne amp.. It's made by the same manufacturer as the Emotiva mini-x (lots of testimonials on that) with the same amp section, but also a remote and extra inputs. I'd even recommend considering some powered monitors instead. Then you'd have speakers you could repurpose later on for another room or a computer desktop setup. The JBL LSR305s have been on sale off and on for under $300 in the last few months (currently off).

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Does that open floor plan include the 4200 cubic feet you already gave us in measurements, or is it in addition to that? It would make a big difference on how much sub you need.

At 4200, the PB-1000 would be challenged at higher volume levels. Plus, if you jump in the ID 12" ported sub lines from the PB-1000, you should also get some slight SQ improvements. An alternative would be to get one PB-1000 now and a second later on to run duals. Dual subs have the potential to provide a smoother frequency response through a wider seating area.

Be sure to listen to soundbars before you buy. The SQ can be disappointing even compared to a good set of bookshelf speakers.You could pick up some bookshelves that you could run as rears in your full setup, and then this Sherbourne amp.. It's made by the same manufacturer as the Emotiva mini-x (lots of testimonials on that) with the same amp section, but also a remote and extra inputs. I'd even recommend considering some powered monitors instead. Then you'd have speakers you could repurpose later on for another room or a computer desktop setup. The JBL LSR305s have been on sale off and on for under $300 in the last few months (currently off).

 

For the most part yes it does. SQ is a big factor for me, but I also do realize that any of the subs I have mentioned will most likely surpass my expectations for SQ as well as SPL. Two subs is out of the question for me, there is price as well as WAF or im my case GAF.

 

Since Im looking to have a more detailed/powerful bass my funds for the front stage will be dwindled down. The reason why I am looking for a good soundbar, my two major concerns are getting the subwoofer/amp linked up to the soundbar (some have subwoofer input output?) Another thing is getting the subwoofer dialed in without a receiver, or is having a crossover really not that necessary? I should have a receiver and towers or bookshelves but im TRYING to keep it short and sweet if you know what Im saying. Very good idea on the monitors though! So many different options Its almost overwhelming. I don't even know the first thing about receivers.. That's a whole lot of mess/reading that im not looking forward to. Im trying to keep everything on the smaller side, but you cant get big sound with small equipment which Is why I am looking at larger ported boxes because I like bigger/lower bass.

 

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SnoPro700 -> If your listening area is bigger than mine and you want to feel a real kick in the chest, you will need bigger.  If you have hardwood, and drywall, the PB1000 will vibrate it all, just wont kick your chest hard.

 

Also if you want more output other brands are better for that.  You will probably lose extension.

 

As well you could start with 1 PB1000, and add another down the road.  I feel 2 subs way better than 1.  But everyone is different.

The drywall is well insulated (northern Minnesota) and its pretty darn sturdy being new. The only thing carpet will be the living room of course. Everything else which is roughly half the room will be hard wood flooring. I also agree that two will surpass one, however running duals just isn't in the cards. Not unless I start redoing the basement...

 

 

Edit: After reading and going over things in my head, I am now going to purchase a receiver. I am learning that it is rather crucial to have crossovers and what not so each channel/speaker will or will not be forced to play certain hz. I am looking to do a 3.1 setup much like what HSU offers.

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hybrid3pkg.html

 

Could their be a "better" package then that for the price? Not too sure if their sub is what Im looking for.. Im not as picky on speakers.

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ALL I CAN SAY --> SVS has done a GREAT job on this SVS PB-1000!!
 
For $500 dollars you are getting a subwoofer with bullet proof warranty, 1 year full trade in value, ultra low distortion playback at ALL levels, flat response down to 19hz, and the best customer service in the game.

The only quibble I have is with this part: "ultra low distortion playback at ALL levels". I don't think that is accurate.
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Edit: After reading and going over things in my head, I am now going to purchase a receiver. I am learning that it is rather crucial to have crossovers and what not so each channel/speaker will or will not be forced to play certain hz. I am looking to do a 3.1 setup much like what HSU offers.
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hybrid3pkg.html

Could their be a "better" package then that for the price? Not too sure if their sub is what Im looking for.. Im not as picky on speakers.

No. There's not a better speaker/sub package for the price. There are other speakers that are good values, and perhaps you might like the sound a little bit better because of personal listening preferences if you could demo them. But the HSU speakers are excellent and that VTF-3 MK4 will sound very good and do pretty well in your space. In fact, that VTF-3 MK4 is arguably one of the top three subwoofers its price.

As far as receivers, I recommend an Onkyo, Denon, or Marantz with Audyssey MultEQ or MultEQ XT because it has room correction that will EQ the speakers and the sub. Many other make/model receivers only EQ the speakers, not the sub, and the sub often needs as much or more EQ help than the speakers. Otherwise, pick the receiver that has the features you want and don't get too caught up in comparing watts. The difference between a 95 watt/channel receiver and a 105/watt is not very significant.

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SnoPro700 -> If you don't mind, let me give you my insight.

 

The sound-bar, I have never owned.  I have heard a few.  They sounded absolutely horrible... This is just my opinion... My friends who had them had different opinions -> ie: convenient, looks amazing, high tech new age way of sound, and outstanding sound quality.  So if you are the average guy who doesn't know what it should sound like, maybe take a demo.

 

If you go with a speaker set, I think it will give you better sound quality but potentially cost more....  Potentially A LOT more.

 

But if you want my opinion on the best bang for your buck speaker system it would have to be the Martin Logan Mlt2 5.1 system.  I really can't see anyone going wrong with that for the price!  Click the link to check it out:

 

http://www.amazon.com/MartinLogan-MLT-2-Theater-System-Version/dp/B0049P2000/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393953455&sr=8-1&keywords=martin+logan+mlt2

 

Anyways, this is just my opinion, I hope it helps!

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But if you want my opinion on the best bang for your buck speaker system it would have to be the Martin Logan Mlt2 5.1 system.  I really can't see anyone going wrong with that for the price!  Click the link to check it out:

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The MLT-2 does not even come close to comparing to the HSU setup he is considering. I cannot fathom why you would suggest that he consider something of much lower quality. Moreover, that's a poor price for it. It frequently can be found for $250 on sale, or even below $200 (more rare). Then the sub with that speaker set is a mediocre $100 class sub. Nothing special at all.

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But if you want my opinion on the best bang for your buck speaker system it would have to be the Martin Logan Mlt2 5.1 system.  I really can't see anyone going wrong with that for the price!  Click the link to check it out:

http://www.amazon.com/MartinLogan-MLT-2-Theater-System-Version/dp/B0049P2000/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393953455&sr=8-1&keywords=martin+logan+mlt2

The MLT-2 does not even come close to comparing to the HSU setup he is considering. I cannot fathom why you would suggest that he consider something of much lower quality. Moreover, that's a poor price for it. It frequently can be found for $250 on sale, or even below $200 (more rare). Then the sub with that speaker set is a mediocre $100 class sub. Nothing special at all.

 

I would recommend against it also because the main speakers "bass" response is all the way down to 110 Hz (and the center is an even worse 130 Hz, both of which one can see from reading the manual).  That is going to require a high crossover point, which means that one may well hear things from the subwoofer that should be coming from the main speakers.  I recommend getting speakers for all channels that go down to around 60 Hz (or lower) so that one can have a lower subwoofer crossover point to avoid that problem.  In general,* this means that the speakers need to have woofers of at least 5", though one should select based upon performance rather than woofer size.

 

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* There is often some idiot online who does not know what "in general" means; it means that the thing is not an absolute rule and not the equivalent of "always;" in other words, there may be exceptions to the rule, and that does not contradict what is being stated.

Do you have that already prepared to add to your posts as necessary? LOL

The explanation that I frequently have to add is for the idiots who insist that their opinion is being disrespected: "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. However, some are necessarily better than others."

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* There is often some idiot online who does not know what "in general" means; it means that the thing is not an absolute rule and not the equivalent of "always;" in other words, there may be exceptions to the rule, and that does not contradict what is being stated.

Do you have that already prepared to add to your posts as necessary? LOL

The explanation that I frequently have to add is for the idiots who insist that their opinion is being disrespected: "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. However, some are necessarily better than others."

 

No, I did not have that already prepared to add to my posts.  But given the number of idiots online who need it, I probably should.  The same sort of idiots typically don't understand the word "most" either, and imagine it means "always," judging from their imbecilic responses.  I should probably also have something to explain the difference between "not very important" and "makes no difference," as I have run into problems with that from several morons who have internet access.  One thread (which may have been at another site) to which I had the misfortune to participate was so filled with so very many morons who confused those two that I simply abandoned the thread.  There comes a point when one is in a crowd of morons that it is best to just leave.

 

As for your second paragraph, some opinions are idiotic and do not deserve any respect.  One may be entitled to have an idiotic opinion, but having the right to have an idiotic opinion does not make the opinion any less idiotic than it is.  People also often confuse respect for persons and respect for ideas.  One can respect a person who occasionally has a disreputable idea.  But that does not make the disreputable idea respectable.

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But if you want my opinion on the best bang for your buck speaker system it would have to be the Martin Logan Mlt2 5.1 system.
Curious: What makes that system the "best bang for your buck speaker system"? Is it because its performance:price ratio is better than that of every other speaker system out there? Or is it because it's the best 5.1 system available for $349*?

(*The current price on the linked-to Amazon.com web page.)
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cel4145 -> You are correct captain obvious...  Clearly I did not make my post comparing the two sets.... So try and read or think more clearly when writing a post on my forum.  I stated for the price it is a great set.

 

It can be had for under $200 with free shipping.  Then he can drop some money on the most important thing in a large with with many openings = subwoofer, and he can put the rest of the money into the AVR and the cables.

 

Remember cel4145, some people are on budgets... Unfortunately, money does not grow on trees for everyone.

 

The MTL2s can be had for $200, with a $500 SVS subwoofer and a AVR for say $300, you will be in for $1000, and have a great little 5.1 system.  You then can sell the subwoofer and potentially have a system for $8-900.

 

No it will not be the best in the world... But For the price, I believe it is a great little package.

 

If you have have a bigger budget, the HSU options are great!  I listened to my friends HSU 7.2 system, and for the price I was VERY amazed!  He doubled up on the subwoofer, but he used the same L/R/C and they are awesome value.

The subwoofer combo he used was awesome to, he got a mid-bass module or something of that sort, coupled it with the ultra low subwoofer.

 

Anyways, lots of great options, first determine your price range, and myself and others will be more than happy to help you!

 

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Not obvious to the OP. You didn't tell him he should wait for a sale.
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This is not your forum. This is AVS.
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The MTL2s can be had for $200, with a $500 SVS subwoofer and a AVR for say $300, you will be in for $1000, and have a great little 5.1 system.  You then can sell the subwoofer and potentially have a system for $8-900.

Also not obvious to the OP.

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This thread should be labeled the ANIMOSITY PROJECT.........what is wrong with you guys and all this back and forth you said this and you said that BS. Why can't we stick to the topic. I now see why I only frequent certain threads here on AVS, people who share their insights and experiences with the products they do own and recommend, trying to help not criticize everything. I thought I would hang out here for a while to find out what people are buying (subwoofers) in the $500 range instead all I'm hearing is a bunch of nonsense. Thank you for wasting my time and steering newcomers to other forums, well done;)

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BPS212 Turbo would have to be a strong contender in the $500 sub category, although untested.  However, I believe it will be awfully tough, at the same price point, for a 10" sub to compete with dual 12's.  This looks like it might be towards the top of my list as a good option to pair with my XS30, to place nearfield and help with room smoothing(very space limited, and this sub has the perfect footprint).  We all know matching subs is the perfect scenario, but I got amazing results pairing a PSW110 with a PB2000 in this fashion, so a BPS212 paired with an XS30 would almost have to be a better pairing.


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This thread should be labeled the ANIMOSITY PROJECT.........what is wrong with you guys and all this back and forth you said this and you said that BS. Why can't we stick to the topic. I now see why I only frequent certain threads here on AVS, people who share their insights and experiences with the products they do own and recommend, trying to help not criticize everything. I thought I would hang out here for a while to find out what people are buying (subwoofers) in the $500 range instead all I'm hearing is a bunch of nonsense. Thank you for wasting my time and steering newcomers to other forums, well done;)

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This thread should be labeled the ANIMOSITY PROJECT.........what is wrong with you guys and all this back and forth you said this and you said that BS. Why can't we stick to the topic. I now see why I only frequent certain threads here on AVS, people who share their insights and experiences with the products they do own and recommend, trying to help not criticize everything. I thought I would hang out here for a while to find out what people are buying (subwoofers) in the $500 range instead all I'm hearing is a bunch of nonsense. Thank you for wasting my time and steering newcomers to other forums, well done;)

There's already a dedicated thread for discussing the PB-1000: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1439755/new-svs-sb1000-pb1000-subwoofers

People are better off going there. This thread damaged it's credibility with the very first post.

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cel4145 -> "People are better off going there. This thread damaged it's credibility with the very first post."

 

Just to funny how this kid has nothing better to do then continually try and put others down to feel better about his own self...  Very sad, I hope one day you grow up and find something more constructive with your life.

 

To all people wanting to purchase a budget subwoofer or system, do not hesitate to PM me, I would love to help out.

 

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Wow! After reading through this exhaustive thread I've finally decided which sub I want:

HSU VTF-2 MK4

Even more than ever! So there.
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Just to funny how this kid has nothing better to do then continually try and put others down to feel better about his own self...  Very sad, I hope one day you grow up and find something more constructive with your life.

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This pastime is suppose to be fun...some guys really do obsess about things that others really don't care about. I know, Cel4145 and he is no kid...but sometimes people just like to set the record straight but seem to forget that is only a hobby and should be enjoyed under any circumstance.

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Wow! After reading through this exhaustive thread I've finally decided which sub I want:

HSU VTF-2 MK4

Even more than ever! So there.

One of the best options out there in the $600 range imo.  Not too big, good quality, good output.  If you want to keep things a bit smaller than the PB12/PB2000/XV15 type subs, its a solid choice.


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One of the best options out there in the $600 range imo.  Not too big, good quality, good output.  If you want to keep things a bit smaller than the PB12/PB2000/XV15 type subs, its a solid choice.

I believe the VTF2 is using the same driver as the VTF3. I know the mk3 models did. If so, that will make the VTF2 a very cleanly performing sub for the price. The output will be more amp limited than excursion limited than the VTF3, so the highest performance levels should be very clean and neutral. With respect to performance, I think you can expect something like the Outlaw EX but knock 3 dB off, and greatly reduce distortion with probably a flatter response, at least in 2 port mode.
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