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I live in a one room apartment that is 425 square feet. I would like to have a little extra bass for my music, but not so much that will it get me into trouble with my neighbors. I want to go with Bowers and Wilkins because I want a high quality tight bass sound rather than muddy. This is for music only. I listen to all kinds of music, but mostly techno and jazz. Which sub woofer would be best for my apartment but not get me in trouble...

The 8" version of the Bowers and Wilkins or the 10" version?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/bowers-and-wilkins-8-200-watt-powered-subwoofer-painted-soft-touch-black/1290273.p?id=1218247966106&skuId=1290273#tab=reviews

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/10-200-watt-powered-subwoofer/1290528.p?id=1218247968245&skuId=1290528&st=categoryid$abcat0205008&cp=1&lp=2
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That's quite a large area, rougly 20' x 20'? I'd look into a 12" sealed box.

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I live in a one room apartment that is 425 square feet. I would like to have a little extra bass for my music, but not so much that will it get me into trouble with my neighbors. I want to go with Bowers and Wilkins because I want a high quality tight bass sound rather than muddy. This is for music only. I listen to all kinds of music, but mostly techno and jazz. Which sub woofer would be best for my apartment but not get me in trouble...

The 8" version of the Bowers and Wilkins or the 10" version?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/bowers-and-wilkins-8-200-watt-powered-subwoofer-painted-soft-touch-black/1290273.p?id=1218247966106&skuId=1290273#tab=reviews

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/10-200-watt-powered-subwoofer/1290528.p?id=1218247968245&skuId=1290528&st=categoryid$abcat0205008&cp=1&lp=2

Of those two I would go with the 10" model however you can get a much better sub for the same money by going with one of these

SVS SB1000
http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/sealed-box/SB-1000#.UxyDIDiPK70

SVS SB2000
http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/sealed-box/sb-2000#.UxyDUTiPK70

Outlet section
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I think your assumption that the subwoofers you're looking at will have tight bass just because they're made by Bowers and Wilkens is a poor assumption. Bowers and Wilkens does not make very good subwoofers. They're overpriced and don't perform well compared to many other subwoofers that are available. Also remember that you're in control of the subwoofer calibration. You could bother your neighbors with a 12'' subwoofer just as much as if you had an 18'' DIY subwoofer and calibrated them both loud.
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What do you have for mains? There may be no advantage to having a sub based on what they are. OTOH if you are going to have a sub don't go small to keep from bothering the neighbors. That's why subs have volume controls.

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For apartment use in that space, I would go with the 8" B&W sub.
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Of those two I would go with the 10" model however you can get a much better sub for the same money by going with one of these

SVS SB1000
http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/sealed-box/SB-1000#.UxyDIDiPK70

SVS SB2000
http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/sealed-box/sb-2000#.UxyDUTiPK70

Outlet section
http://www.svsound.com/specials/outlet-specials

Agreed. The SVS sub are a much better price/performance value than the B&Ws.

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I'm confused on the size of a Sub...wouldn't a 12 inch sub(like the SVS) put out more bass in my apartment compared to a 8 inch sub which would bother the neighbors? That is after adjusting the EQ settings...


Right now I have 2 channel stereo with Bose 302 in the front. I plan on switching them out for B&W bookshelves later on down the road.
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I'm confused on the size of a Sub...wouldn't a 12 inch sub(like the SVS) put out more bass in my apartment compared to a 8 inch sub which would bother the neighbors? That is after adjusting the EQ settings...

Review what Bill said above about volume control.
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Right now I have 2 channel stereo with Bose 302 in the front. I plan on switching them out for B&W bookshelves later on down the road.

You do not need to match the speaker and sub brand.

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I'm confused on the size of a Sub...wouldn't a 12 inch sub(like the SVS) put out more bass in my apartment compared to a 8 inch sub which would bother the neighbors?
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A utter newbie question (never had a subwoofer) but doesn't the recording and volume of the amplifier decide the proper subwoofer volume too?

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If your system is calibrated, the level of the recording determines whether you raise and lower the volume level of the entire system. It doesn't determine the calibration levels of the sub(s) or speakers.
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But does one not (generally at least) try to set up the system in a way so as to make it as faithfull to the recording as possible (transparent, I think it's called, no?)? Did Bill suggest that one set up the subwoofer so that it would play less bass (not as deep, not as loud) than it would do, had it been set up "properly" (transparently)? Sorry if the questions are ignorant, but I'm new to this.

What's the point of getting a bigger subwoofer than one actually takes advantage of? For possible future homes?

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Once your system is calibrated then speakers are even level. You may prefer sub cold for music.

Buying the best sub you can means you get deeper cleaner bass. I could have got away with a SB2000 but wanted that chest thumping, room shaking bass you get with higher end subs.

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But does one not (generally at least) try to set up the system in a way so as to make it as faithfull to the recording as possible ... ?
Calibration tries to ensure that all your components play at the correct relative levels and as "flat" as possible in order to reproduce content as faithfully as possible.

But if someone likes more bass, they can run their subs "hot". If someone wants less bass to avoid bothering the neighbours, they can run their subs "cold" (or they can turn down the volume on the entire system, but that might make dialogue more difficult to hear).

Calibrating to reference is great, but sometimes preference (or necessity) simply outweighs it.
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Yes, for future homes or bigger spaces or more output or greater extension. Or for that moment when you realize that the small sub you opted to buy instead of the larger sub suddenly isn't cutting it for you and you wish you'd bought the bigger sub instead. smile.gif
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