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Just looking for some opinions here. Early on in my quest for some reason I was not giving HSU much of a chance and seemed to be stuck on having just one more expensive sub. Anyway, I am just exploring and trying to keep an open mind. I am also trying to keep it under or close to $2000.

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Hands down the HSU. (i own a pair)
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I'd go with dual VTF-15Hs. They're powerful, well-rated and tune-able.
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+1 to the VTF-15's for a 2k budget.
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VTF15h between those choices, but if I had $2k to spend on subs, I would go DIY. UXL-18s in martysubs, and some iNukes.
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Well there you have it...the consensus recommends you go with dual...vft15hs...cool.gif
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Or you could get these 2 for $1500 plus shipping-

http://chanemusiccinema.com/Power-Package-Two

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Or you could get these 2 for $1500 plus shipping-

http://chanemusiccinema.com/Power-Package-Two

Or get 2 polks for even less money.. however he was asking about 2 quality subs.
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Or get 2 polks for even less money.. however he was asking about 2 quality subs.

And what makes you think these are not quality subs? Plenty of users of the previous Chase HT model.

I'd bet money that a pair of these would put a beating on a pair of XV15s and do it easily. Or you could spend another $200 and upgrade the amp and do an even more impressive beat down on the poor little 15s. tongue.gif

Now I see, you're one of the "trouble makers" over at the Chane forums with an obvious chip, kind of like shady with PSA. So with that I'll just ignore whatever snarky, uneducated responses you make.

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Dual XV15's!!
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And what makes you think these are not quality subs? Plenty of users of the previous Chase HT model.

I'd bet money that a pair of these would put a beating on a pair of XV15s and do it easily. Or you could spend another $200 and upgrade the amp and do an even more impressive beat down on the poor little 15s. tongue.gif

Now I see, you're one of the "trouble makers" over at the Chane forums with an obvious chip, kind of like shady with PSA. So with that I'll just ignore whatever snarky, uneducated responses you make.

According to Chane, 2 SBE-118 passives powered by a Dayton SA-1000 put out 113db 20-31hz, and 122db 40-63hz.

According to PSA 2 XV15's would put out 114.1db 20-31hz, and 122db 40-63hz.

This 2m rms data can be found on each manufacturers website.

So no they are not putting a beating on anything...good thing you did not bet any money. I love taking folks money...tongue.gif
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According to Chane, 2 SBE-118 passives powered by a Dayton SA-1000 put out 113db 20-31hz, and 122db 40-63hz.

2 XV15's would put out 114.1db 20-31hz, and 122db 40-63hz

So no they are not putting a beating on anything...good thing you did not bet any money. I love taking folks money...tongue.gif

You, I and the rest will have to wait until Josh does some testing and some of these subs get in homes.

I'd take 2 sealed 18s with more power over a pair of lower powered, vented 15s anyday (if I were starting from scratch).

And based on your XV15 output estimations why would anyone consider buying a triax for double the price of a pair of XV15s when the XV15 have just as much output?

And from your "measurements"- source?

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You, I and the rest will have to wait until Josh does some testing and some of these subs get in homes.

I'd take 2 sealed 18s with more power over a pair of lower powered, vented 15s anyday (if I were starting from scratch).

And based on your XV15 output estimations why would anyone consider buying a triax for double the price of a pair of XV15s when the XV15 have just as much output?

And from your "measurements"- source?

The Dayton amp is not putting out more power then the XV15 plate amp. The Dayton amp is 1k watts divided by 2 sunshine... That would be 500watts to each sub. smile.gif

What I posted is not estimations, it is data taken from the manufacturers web site. PSA data is proven to be within 1db of Josh Ricci's...

It takes 3 XV15s to get close to the Triax in output not duals. Triax- 116.8db 20-31hz, and 127.9db 40-63hz 2m rms.

You do not have a dog in this fight...move on and have a nice day. wink.gif
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Or get 2 polks for even less money.. however he was asking about 2 quality subs.

And what makes you think these are not quality subs? Plenty of users of the previous Chase HT model.

I'd bet money that a pair of these would put a beating on a pair of XV15s and do it easily. Or you could spend another $200 and upgrade the amp and do an even more impressive beat down on the poor little 15s. tongue.gif

Now I see, you're one of the "trouble makers" over at the Chane forums with an obvious chip, kind of like shady with PSA. So with that I'll just ignore whatever snarky, uneducated responses you make.

Lots of people buy polks, what's your point?. I have my response how about you?
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The Dayton amp is not putting out more power then the XV15 plate amp. The Dayton amp is 1k watts divided by 2 sunshine... That would be 500watts to each sub. smile.gif
The Dayton puts out 475W x 2 into 8 ohms, but I think he was referring to the Chane 3600 (formerly the MQ-600), which puts out 600W x 2 into 8 ohms.
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The Dayton puts out 475W x 2 into 8 ohms, but I think he was referring to the Chane 3600 (formerly the MQ-600), which puts out 600W x 2 into 8 ohms.

I am going directly off of the link he posted that is apart of the 1500.00 package + shipping. Do not start a nit pick fest because you own Chase products...let it be. smile.gif
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I am going directly off of the link he posted...
In his next post, he stated:
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That's the upgrade to the 3600.

Pointing out the correct amp is not nit-picking. Don't go all beeman on me! wink.gif
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In his next post, he stated:
That's the upgrade to the 3600.

Its not a beat down either way so what re you trying to argue? So you want to start a debate over 100watts. Yet again I was replaying to the intitial link and post for the 1500.00 package. The point is that package does not beat down the PSA subs.
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Its not a beat down either way so what re you trying to argue?
I'm not arguing anything. And I don't care that there's no beat down. It's just factual information: The 3600 (a re-badged Suntron amp) at 600W/ch. into 8 ohms is more powerful than the amp on the XV15. That's it, that's all.
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Wait Did chase change their name to Chane? Seriously can someone explain that to me?

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Wait Did chase change their name to Chane? Seriously can someone explain that to me?
A few months ago, Craig Chase teamed up with Jon Lane of the Audio Insider and they formed Chane Music and Cinema
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I'm not arguing anything.

Good good...The Chase package looks like a solid deal no doubt, but my point was its not beating down the PSA subs. Yes you can upgrade the amp for extra 200.00 to gain a few db's in the mid bass region, but it is still not a beat down.

The Chane SBE-118 package with upgraded amp would be 1772.00 shipped.

So if the OP wants to add that to his list of options then imo it would also be a good choice smile.gif

So would going DIY and building a pair of Marty Subs with UXL-18's as Shady pointed out.
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A few months ago, Craig Chase teamed up with Jon Lane of the Audio Insider and they formed Chane Music and Cinema

I never had an interest in Craig's products so didn't keep tight tabs on them. Thanks for the clarification eljay.

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Pointing out the correct amp is not nit-picking. Don't go all beeman on me! wink.gif

That was a low blow for you (lol)

But don't keep saying his name again. It's like Beetlejuice.
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The Chane SBE-118 package with upgraded amp would be 1772.00 shipped.

If the SBE-118 perform similarly the CHT 18" subs, one also have to factor in that additional EQ equipment may be needed, whereas the XV15s would more easily achieve a flat response in a room.
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In his next post, he stated:
That's the upgrade to the 3600.

Pointing out the correct amp is not nit-picking. Don't go all beeman on me! wink.gif

Aye aye captain tongue.gif

Sorry Oneyeblind I edited my post to not cause further debate.
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I'll throw another monkey wrench into the equation.  Dual XS30's.  With four 15's, it should give you about the same output as dual ported subs around the ported subs tuning frequencies(18-30), but much deeper extension, and double the output above 40Hz.  Slightly over budget at around $2180.  Yes I'm an XS30 fan boy now :)

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You, I and the rest will have to wait until Josh does some testing and some of these subs get in homes.

I'd take 2 sealed 18s with more power over a pair of lower powered, vented 15s anyday (if I were starting from scratch).

And based on your XV15 output estimations why would anyone consider buying a triax for double the price of a pair of XV15s when the XV15 have just as much output?

And from your "measurements"- source?

According to the numbers I see on PSA's website, it would take four XV15's to = one triax, so I am not sure what you looked at to figure that 2 would be equivalent.  I am coming up with duals being down 6 dB, assuming you got the full 6 dB benefit from duals.  To get another 6 would require going from 2 to 4.  Another full 6 dB gain would be needed to reach triax output levels.


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