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Upset? eek.gif. Is it the lack of a smile.gif? Lol. Too wordy for me. And yeah don't mention the Epiks and those lowly Power X subs in the same breadth.

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blah blah blah blah blah. The nerve! I owned an XS15 and it was no Empire in terms of sound quality. As for output, perhaps better low end if that is your cup of tea.

I always enjoy reading posts where "sound quality" is discussed in regards to one sub having better sound quality over another. smile.gif

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Upset? eek.gif. Is it the lack of a smile.gif? Lol. Too wordy for me. And yeah don't mention the Epiks and those lowly Power X subs in the same breadth.


Yeah, the quality of the Epik subs is legendary.............


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Yeah, the quality of the Epik subs is legendary.............

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Why are you getting upset? Where did I say Empire? I was talking about the legend, which is what Kidhorn has...don't get your fancy panties is a bunch.

I actually have an Empire too. Much better sub than the legend.
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Yeah, the quality of the Epik subs is legendary.............

From what I've gathered on the Epik thread the last few years, it's the amps he sourced in towards the end that particularly that brought them down, mostly with the Legend model. The construction of the boxes and drivers generally haven't been an issue from what I've read. How often do you see older models with complaints? Or being sold? Of course people are going to remember them for what went down at the end.....

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I am guessing the Legend drivers were wired in parallel and had too little resistance for the amp, which would explain the plate amp's heat. The drivers themselves did not resemble high excursion drivers, but with two, they didn't have to be. They didn't look like bad drivers, they probably were high Qts, high BL, and high sensitivity driver, which would have had very good upper bass response. I am guessing they sounded fine for mid bass and upper bass, but likely ran into lots of distortion rather quickly in deep bass. It doesn't seem like a good idea to have boosted their deep bass response.
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From what I've gathered on the Epik thread the last few years, it's the amps he sourced in towards the end that particularly that brought them down, mostly with the Legend model. The construction of the boxes and drivers generally haven't been an issue from what I've read. How often do you see older models with complaints? Or being sold? Of course people are going to remember them for what went down at the end.....


Sorry, it was a lighthearted response to someone implying PSA subs were of poor quality when to my knowledge they have a good track record for quality so far.  But that is interesting to know about Epik.  Would seem to me that just adding an external amp could be a good solution as the drivers and enclosures don't seem to be the isssue.


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From what I've gathered on the Epik thread the last few years, it's the amps he sourced in towards the end that particularly that brought them down, mostly with the Legend model. The construction of the boxes and drivers generally haven't been an issue from what I've read. How often do you see older models with complaints? Or being sold? Of course people are going to remember them for what went down at the end.....


Sorry, it was a lighthearted response to someone implying PSA subs were of poor quality when to my knowledge they have a good track record for quality so far.  But that is interesting to know about Epik.  Would seem to me that just adding an external amp could be a good solution as the drivers and enclosures don't seem to be the isssue.


No apologies necessary. Just throwing it out there....

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Yeah, the quality of the Epik subs is epic.............

Fixed it for you. wink.gif

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Fixed it for you. wink.gif

You missed my play on words then.


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You missed my play on words then.

Now that you mentioned it, yes I did miss it.

And I thought "I" was being clever....

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I am guessing the Legend drivers were wired in parallel and had too little resistance for the amp, which would explain the plate amp's heat. The drivers themselves did not resemble high excursion drivers, but with two, they didn't have to be. They didn't look like bad drivers, they probably were high Qts, high BL, and high sensitivity driver, which would have had very good upper bass response. I am guessing they sounded fine for mid bass and upper bass, but likely ran into lots of distortion rather quickly in deep bass. It doesn't seem like a good idea to have boosted their deep bass response.

Exactly...the pair I heard sounded like the eq boost down low was causing the sub to run out of headroom rather quickly. It would of been a better design to simply let the sub roll off naturally and let room gain do its thing.
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I actually have an Empire too. Much better sub than the legend.

Agreed...fwiw there have been a couple memebers that went from a empire to a XS30 and said it was a all around upgrade. Very close in Upperbass output but the XS30 faired better on the low end. I am not mentioning this to start a PSA vs Epik debate...I am only mentioning this because you mentioned considering a XV15, which implies you have interest in PSA products. smile.gif
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I've always wondered how they'd compare but haven't seen anyone post about going from an Empire to the XS30....any links?

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I've always wondered how they'd compare but haven't seen anyone post about going from an Empire to the XS30....any links?

I think if you posted that question in the PSA thread you'd get the answer you're looking for, I recall at least one person going from a Epik fail, ah I mean Empire to a XS30...smile.gif
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From what I've gathered on the Epik thread the last few years, it's the amps he sourced in towards the end that particularly that brought them down, mostly with the Legend model. The construction of the boxes and drivers generally haven't been an issue from what I've read. How often do you see older models with complaints? Or being sold? Of course people are going to remember them for what went down at the end.....

That pretty much sums it up. The Legend amps get very hot and the capacitors dry out and fail. I put a couple of heat fins on mine to help keep it cooler and don't drive it too hard, but it still gets hot. The Empire amps don't run hot like the Legends do so I expect them to be OK.
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I think if you posted that question in the PSA thread you'd get the answer you're looking for, I recall at least one person going from a Epik fail, ah I mean Empire to a XS30...smile.gif

I only found one person, joshjp and he said they were fairly similar, XS30 a bit deeper perhaps and more midbass with the Empire; Gorilla had some Empires and had an XS15 to play with; otherwise many mentions by you but you never had an Empire. I'd expect them to be more similar than different in any case. Like you am going Marty now....

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That pretty much sums it up. The Legend amps get very hot and the capacitors dry out and fail. I put a couple of heat fins on mine to help keep it cooler and don't drive it too hard, but it still gets hot. The Empire amps don't run hot like the Legends do so I expect them to be OK.

Wonder if that was simply the quality of the cap rather than amp design....

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I only found one person, joshjp and he said they were fairly similar, XS30 a bit deeper perhaps and more midbass with the Empire; Gorilla had some Empires and had an XS15 to play with; otherwise many mentions by you but you never had an Empire. I'd expect them to be more similar than different in any case. Like you am going Marty now....
Wonder if that was simply the quality of the cap rather than amp design....

Probably both. The BOM are part of the design.

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I only found one person, joshjp and he said they were fairly similar, XS30 a bit deeper perhaps and more midbass with the Empire; Gorilla had some Empires and had an XS15 to play with; otherwise many mentions by you but you never had an Empire. I'd expect them to be more similar than different in any case. Like you am going Marty now....
Wonder if that was simply the quality of the cap rather than amp design....

You're going with a Marty? I have some large ported cabinets that are a little different then a Marty but I love them, are you going with the Marty cube?

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I only found one person, joshjp and he said they were fairly similar, XS30 a bit deeper perhaps and more midbass with the Empire; Gorilla had some Empires and had an XS15 to play with; otherwise many mentions by you but you never had an Empire. I'd expect them to be more similar than different in any case. Like you am going Marty now....
Wonder if that was simply the quality of the cap rather than amp design....

You're going with a Marty? I have some large ported cabinets that are a little different then a Marty but I love them, are you going with the Marty cube?

I've got two SI 18" D2s and am still kicking around options, but most likely full Martys maybe mini-Martys (I want the extension over the cube I think as I've got room). Even still somewhat considering putting them in a dual opposed config (easier build, too) just to see what it sounds like. Decisions decisions....

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I've got two SI 18" D2s and am still kicking around options, but most likely full Martys maybe mini-Martys (I want the extension over the cube I think as I've got room). Even still somewhat considering putting them in a dual opposed config (easier build, too) just to see what it sounds like. Decisions decisions....

Most guys over in the DIY section will tell you dual opposed is a waste of time. Put them in seperate cabs and benifit from the smoothing capabilities duals will offer. Personally I think dual opposed would be a nice setup if you had 4 drivers.
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Personally I think dual opposed would be a nice setup if you had 4 drivers.
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I've got two SI 18" D2s and am still kicking around options, but most likely full Martys maybe mini-Martys (I want the extension over the cube I think as I've got room). Even still somewhat considering putting them in a dual opposed config (easier build, too) just to see what it sounds like. Decisions decisions....

Most guys over in the DIY section will tell you dual opposed is a waste of time. Put them in seperate cabs and benifit from the smoothing capabilities duals will offer. Personally I think dual opposed would be a nice setup if you had 4 drivers.

Well I do have the Empire, just curious how much difference between an 18" dual and a 15" dual....but fortunately I only ordered two drivers.....for now. Bassoholism anonymous anyone?.

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