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Has anyone listened to these 2 or the  Rhythmic LV12R and one similar?  I'm curious what the real world difference the Direct Servo makes.

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Shift another member on here had the Outlaw LFM-1 Plus before picking up an LV12R. He preferred the Rythmik over the Outlaw. I know for sure he said the sound quality was better, but I don't recall what he had to say about the output.

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I will have to say the $500 dollar sale price of the Outlaw LFM-1 Plus is a great deal. I had the Outlaw LFM-1 EX and it was a solid performer. It bested my old Rythmik LV12R in output obviously, but not sound quality.

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The LV12R and the Plus are the same class of sub. Which you like better would probably be dependent most on your listening tastes and how the sub interacts with your room. As an Outlaw EX owner, I just can't see how the LV12R would be worth 20% more.

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I agree with cel at the Outlaws current sale price of $500.

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I agree with cel at the Outlaws current sale price of $500.

While I do like a lot of output and it's on sale right now I realize that accuracy is very important to me after using the PB 1000 and multiple people have said that the Direct Servo makes a very nice Difference.  I ordered the Rhythmic and I have high hopes that I will get more definition that I had with my PB 1000.

 

 

 

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The LV12R and the Plus are the same class of sub. Which you like better would probably be dependent most on your listening tastes and how the sub interacts with your room. As an Outlaw EX owner, I just can't see how the LV12R would be worth 20% more.
 
 
Are they though?  I feel like it's a definite that the outlaw will give more output but I've heard great things about the Direct Servo technology and even people above you have said that the sound quality is better out of the Rhythmic which actually after using the PB 1000 for a while makes me realize that sound quality is more important to me than the output.
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Are they though? I feel like it's a definite that the outlaw will give more output but I've heard great things about the Direct Servo technology and even people above you have said that the sound quality is better out of the Rhythmic which actually after using the PB 1000 for a while makes me realize that sound quality is more important to me than the output.

Yes. Most of the sub enthusiasts on AVS would probably agree that these are the same class of sub.

And which "people" are you talking about? I doubt there are more than half a dozen people in the entire world that have heard both those subs in the same room at the same time. JT78681 said he had read that another member liked it better. If you understand what I said regarding listening preferences and room interaction, then you would understand why trusting that some person somewhere like it better is not definitive evidence, particularly since you don't know if that person properly level matched them or used ABX testing.

Personally, I think you are making a mistake to expect that spending $100 more over the PB-1000 will necessarily give you what you are looking for if you do not understand the principles behind what I said.

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Personally, I think you are making a mistake to expect that spending $100 more over the PB-1000 will necessarily give you what you are looking for if you do not understand the principles behind what I said.

I agree partially with this assessment. It's a night and day difference between the LV12R and PB1000 this has been verified by many people on the forum. However yes ultimately we do not know if he will even be satisfied with the performance of the Rythmik LV12R. I guess we will find out soon enough smile.gif

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I agree partially with this assessment. It's a night and day difference between the LV12R and PB1000 this has been verified by many people on the forum. However yes ultimately we do not know if he will even be satisfied with the performance of the Rythmik LV12R. I guess we will find out soon enough smile.gif

Well, there is no doubt that people think that stepping up from the PB-1000 to the next class in ported subs is an improvement.

However, could be his issue with sound quality is related to the sub's placement in the room.

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Very true...... Heck even Rythmiks superb sound quality couldn't overcome some places I initially placed the FV15HP.

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Very true...... Heck even Rythmiks superb sound quality couldn't overcome some places I initially placed the FV15HP.

Yep. You can have the best driver in the world, and with poor placement regarding room modes and without good EQ, there's no hope. LOL

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The LV12R and the Plus are the same class of sub. Which you like better would probably be dependent most on your listening tastes and how the sub interacts with your room. As an Outlaw EX owner, I just can't see how the LV12R would be worth 20% more.

Just curious on this statement - Isn't the Outlaw EX BETTER than the LFM-1 Plus? If that's the case, then I would assume you rally can't compare the LFM-1 PLus to the LV12R based on listening to the EX...? Or am I missing something?

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Just curious on this statement - Isn't the Outlaw EX BETTER than the LFM-1 Plus? If that's the case, then I would assume you rally can't compare the LFM-1 PLus to the LV12R based on listening to the EX...? Or am I missing something?

The Plus and EX use the same driver and amp. The difference is the enclosure size, which affects the frequency response and the max SPL output. So yeah. I have a pretty good idea what the Plus sounds like. smile.gif

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Did not know that! Learn something new every day! Grrrr! I was dead set on the LV12R but now with this sale I no longer know which I should get.

Any suggestions?

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Room size is 21x11x8. It will mainly be for TV and Movie watching. Some music but not often.

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Did not know that! Learn something new every day! Grrrr! I was dead set on the LV12R but now with this sale I no longer know which I should get.

Any suggestions?

My recommendation is the same as above in the thread. I doubt you get 20% more performance out of the Rythmik for the 20% higher price. The Outlaw subs sound darn good for the money, especially when they are on sale smile.gif

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I currently have the LV12R. My room is 17x11 and it absolutely rocks the room. I forgot to close the door to my theatre room and it knocked a picture off of the wall in the hall.

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Did not know that! Learn something new every day! Grrrr! I was dead set on the LV12R but now with this sale I no longer know which I should get.

Any suggestions?

My setup will be:
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Room size is 21x11x8. It will mainly be for TV and Movie watching. Some music but not often.

Thanks!

I think it depends on what is more important to you. The outlaw sub is a good deal and it will blow your socks off if you want it to. If you see more movies and tv then it is probably what you want. I think the rhythmic sub with its servo tech will give you more accurate and defined bass notes and will probably sound better listening to music.
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I think it depends on what is more important to you. The outlaw sub is a good deal and it will blow your socks off if you want it to. If you see more movies and tv then it is probably what you want. I think the rhythmic sub with its servo tech will give you more accurate and defined bass notes and will probably sound better listening to music.

Both will have very similar output with the Rythmik having the edge in sound quality. If it was me I would grab the Outlaw for $100 dollar less and not look back. Use the extra money to pick up all the great 5 star bass movies and enjoy.......

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I have the Outlaw. I bought it for $499 several sales ago. I 've never heard the rhythmik, but I own about 10 subs right now and I think I get the most bang for the buck from the Outlaw. For $500, I doubt you could do any better.
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Just curious, if the Outlaw LFM-1 Plus was NOT on sale; which would be the better sub? At that point, the Outlaw and the LV12R would be the same price. Would you still go with the Outlaw then or would the LV12R be the better option, if they were at normal MSRP?

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Just curious, if the Outlaw LFM-1 Plus was NOT on sale; which would be the better sub? At that point, the Outlaw and the LV12R would be the same price. Would you still go with the Outlaw then or would the LV12R be the better option, if they were at normal MSRP?

I'm not entirely sure but I think someone said there is more output from the outlaw which is good for movies but the rhythmic has more accuracy and sounds better for music. So it isn't a matter of which one is better it's more of which would you rather have? More output or greater accuracy? I'm sure the rhythmic is still great for movies but the outlaw may be a bit better.
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Both have roughly the same output. The Rythmik with the servo technology has the edge in sound quality.

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One is forward firing and the other down firing. If you have little ones the Outlaw would be more kid friendly and I'm a fan of the plexiglass top. I used my old EX as an end table.

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Both have roughly the same output.

Maybe. I don't think anyone knows for sure. We'd need SPL measurements of each to know that.

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Those 2 subs where my choices too when im on the market fora subwoofer. I ended up buying the LV12R and all I can say is wow. Especially during movies!

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Hsu has the VTF-2 mk 4 on sale again, about $600 shipped. I know it is similar to the Outlaw, but updated somewhat. Wonder what the real world difference would be.
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