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Just bought NHT Super Zeros from bargain bin (craigslist) and a refurbished Denon E300. (You see where I'm going with his). If familiar w/those speakers, you know I need a decent sub for bass help.
Searched forum and web and found a few candidates.

Room size - 13 1/2 ft by 11 ft open to another small room.
Budget - max 350 if bought on Amazon because I have a $100 credit. Otherwise a little less.
Used for - movies 55%, sports 35%, music 10%
Size and appearance - nothing overly large, don't care about looks very much
I prefer clarity vs boominess but want solid bass for movies, I love watching movies.

So far the candidates are
Bic PL-200 or maybe Acoustec H 100 for $175 on craigslist
Found a Klipsch SW-110 for $175 on Craigslist (can't find rw-12d anywhere)
Possibly a used HSU or SVS

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Not that you want to hear about spending more, but I think you should stretch your budget and snag this SVS PB-1000 outlet special.

If that's not an option, consider the NXG NX-BAS-500. Amazon.com carries it, but currently doesn't have it in stock.

Also, if you haven't already done so, see this thread: List of budget subwoofers ($300 and less)


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Just bought NHT Super Zeros from bargain bin (craigslist) and a refurbished Denon E300. (You see where I'm going with his). If familiar w/those speakers, you know I need a decent sub for bass help.
Searched forum and web and found a few candidates.

Room size - 13 1/2 ft by 11 ft open to another small room.
Budget - max 350 if bought on Amazon because I have a $100 credit. Otherwise a little less.
Used for - movies 55%, sports 35%, music 10%
Size and appearance - nothing overly large, don't care about looks very much
I prefer clarity vs boominess but want solid bass for movies, I love watching movies.

So far the candidates are
Bic PL-200 or maybe Acoustec H 100 for $175 on craigslist
Found a Klipsch SW-110 for $175 on Craigslist (can't find rw-12d anywhere)
Possibly a used HSU or SVS

I'll edit this message and add pics and more details when I can.

I'd go for a pair of Dayton 1200s or one 1500

http://www.parts-express.com/brand/dayton-audio/301?N=4294967060+4294967118+4294966344&Nrs=collection%28%29%2Frecord%5Bendeca%3Amatches%28.%2C%22P_PortalID%22%2C%221%22%29+and+endeca%3Amatches%28.%2C%22P_Searchable%22%2C%221%22%29%5D&PortalID=1&brandSelected=t&showMoreIds=10025

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how about hsu research   the stf-2 i think goes for 375.00 shipped ...its been getting good reviews.....

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Not that you want to hear about spending more, but I think you should stretch your budget and snag this SVS PB-1000 outlet special.

If that's not an option, consider the NXG NX-BAS-500. Amazon.com carries it, but currently doesn't have it in stock.

Also, if you haven't already done so, see this thread: List of budget subwoofers ($300 and less)

I have checked that thread but only lists subs and doesn't rate them. I'll check the one you mentioned, it's the first I've heard of it on these forums, which seems odd. Thanks
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I've been told not to with the Dayton due to the lack of bass the NHT's produce. Plus I'm not sure I want two budget subs in case I want to upgrade in a few years. Heard they are good subs for the money though.
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Gonzo, very interested in HSU as you mentioned but it's a little higher than I want to go. What about maybe some used subs that may be a bargain like ones I mentioned in OP?
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Weaver. Look at the nxg bas500 it goes for 260 shipped and has comparable numbers to the Hsu. They are currently 8 weeks out due to a fire in one of their warehouses. Jim Wilson has given the sub greats reviews at home theater shack. Head over and read his review.

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Ok thanks. I read a bit about it but one review said it struggled with satellite speakers or those that don't produce bass themselves. Thanks I'll figure it out. 8 weeks is too far away also.
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If you can't find anything you like used, I would buy a pair of Dayton's sub-1200.

 

http://www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-sub-1200-12-120-watt-powered-subwoofer--300-629

 

 

Your speakers are listed as 85 to 25,000 Hz frequency response (+/- 3 dB). The Dayton 1200 has a listed frequency response: 25-140 Hz. Should give plenty of overlap that you're concerned about. I'd play with the sub crossover and see which sounds best. Good luck!


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Understandably on the 8 weeks but trust me it would not struggle it's an impressive woofer for its price range.

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If you can't find anything you like used, I would buy a pair of Dayton's sub-1200.

http://www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-sub-1200-12-120-watt-powered-subwoofer--300-629


Your speakers are listed as 85 to 25,000 Hz frequency response (+/- 3 dB). The Dayton 1200 has a listed frequency response: 25-140 Hz. Should give plenty of overlap that you're concerned about. I'd play with the sub crossover and see which sounds best. Good luck!

It's not that. Previously, people have been recommended ~$200 and under budget subs to go with small satellites. They have been disappointed once they get them. It's one thing to pair them with towers, or even bookshelves that are still managing some of the midbass. But with small satellites that need a higher crossover, the lack of resolution of these very inexpensive budget subs becomes even more apparent when it has to handle more of the midbass. In this regard, the STF-2 would be a much better choice.

The NXG is not a great choice for the Super Zeros, either, because of the need for a higher crossover with the Super Zeros. By 100hz, it's already rolled off from it's peak at 55hz by close to 10db. Get any room modes creating peaks near the existing peak (or dips near 100hz), and Audyssey won't be able to correct it. Better to have something with less drop off by 100hz. The STF-2s drop off is less as it reaches 100hz, and then it's not as peaky either through much of it's usable response. Should be able to end up with a better in-room response.
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Thanks, very informative.  Time to save my pennies i guess.

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From another forum discussing your speakers:

 

"As a member of NHT's old So Cal rep force I have a few tricks for you to try. First you have the crossover set way to high, try 75 or 60(you can even try 50) instead . Second back off the amp to around 10 o clock. Third make sure the Super Zeros and the sub are on the same plane. Put  the sub between the Zeros with about a foot to two feet between them., and about two to three feet from the back wall. I've used this set up for years with excellent results."


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From another forum discussing your speakers:

"As a member of NHT's old So Cal rep force I have a few tricks for you to try. First you have the crossover set way to high, try 75 or 60(you can even try 50) instead . Second back off the amp to around 10 o clock. Third make sure the Super Zeros and the sub are on the same plane. Put  the sub between the Zeros with about a foot to two feet between them., and about two to three feet from the back wall. I've used this set up for years with excellent results."

Not very good advise considering how those speakers measure: http://www.stereophile.com/content/nht-superzero-loudspeaker-sw2-subwoofer-measurements

And the sub advice makes no sense at all for a 5.1 setup confused.gif

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well, that layout wouldn't work for me anyways but don't argue over my sake. 

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Weaverpsu I totally agree with cel4145 I strongly suggest that you follow his recommendation. Save money you only need around $100 more and buy the sub recommended before by cel4145 and zieglj01 on your old thread.


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There is a VTF-1 MK2 for $375 on Craigslist, which is basically the same price I would pay for STF-2 after shipping costs from HSU. It is more adjustable and more money than STF-2.  It is also 6 months old.  Between the two, which is better for my setup?  Seems like they would both work but I like to cross every t and dot every i.

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I was going to say look at two of these, but it says they are temporarily out of stock.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00166VDLC?ie=UTF8&at=&force-full-site=1&ref_=aw_bottom_links

I don't see much difference between the STF2 and the VTF1. The tuning options are more useful on the bigger subs, but on a small sub that doesn't go that deep anyway, I'd guess 99% of people will set it for max deep bass and never touch it again. Might as well buy new so you'll have the warranty if you go that route.
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See if the warranty is still transferable (check with HSU).

Then point out that you can buy an STF-2 for about that, and that you don't know how to use all the extra controls. See if he'll take $325 smile.gif

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Well, chances are he paid $460 plus $40 shipping so in 6 months he would be losing a lot. I emailed him and I think the extra controls could be fun to learn/try out.
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just find out why hes selling it ....you dont want to get a sub that has something wrong with it...and with no warranty....... 

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