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post #1 of 22 Old 06-06-2014, 05:21 PM - Thread Starter
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I have a fairly large room (35 x 20 x 8). I previously had a VTF-15h, and I thought it did the job just fine. But, the wife tired of the big black box, so I sold it to see of I could find a more WAF acceptable solution. I replaced it with a SB13, and after a few months of having it.....I think it's missing something the VTF gave me. The SB13 shakes the room, but there just doesn't seem to be that resonance in the chest that the VTF gave me.

I don't know if this is real or imagined, since I've never measured my room, and will not be able to due to time...life is just too busy right now.

So.....I've been tossing around the idea of changing subs. The two or three I've been thinking of are the PSA XS30, Seaton Submersive, or the 18.1 from Funk.

I really like the idea of the xs30 since it seems to compromise on WAF (smaller than the VTF) and not be a budget buster.

I'd appreciate and thoughts you guys have!

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Also consider Rythmik FV 15 HP. It is one heck of a sub. List a budget limit and if you can swing two for that size room.

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madhuski: All great subs … as is the Rythmik FV15HP as derrick mentioned. Anything from 3k to 5k cu. ft. is considered a large room, so your 5.6k cu. ft. room would rank as extremely large. It would be difficult to fill such a volume with one sub, but I suspect either the Seaton or the Funk might have a chance to make you happy. Usually people seek a ported solution in that volume, such as the Funk 18.1 or the Rythmik mentioned. I think that the Rythmik, Funk and Seaton will outperform the VTF-15h and the SB13 (and I own the SB13). I think realistically that it would take two subs to give you what you seek. So you have a choice. Add another SB13, or sell it and go for the ported Funk, the sealed Seaton, two ported Rythmiks or two sealed XS30s. Two XS30se's would cost less than one Seaton and is about the same price as one Funk. Two Rythmiks would cost several hundred more than two XS30s depending upon finish.
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Thanks guys - I should have mentioned: duals are never gonna happen (WAF).

With that said, how much would inhale to spend to outperform the VTF or SB13?

Ie what would one xs30 do in comparison?

I know the seaton would probably "float my boat" but I have a hard time justifying the price, given my listening habits (ie...I really was happy with the vtf before going on a hunt for WAF)

I did think about the rythmik, buy have that on the back burned given how close in size it is to the hsu

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^^ in that size room, ported would be a much better choice. If I can only have one sub, I would take a passive Captivator 2400 and an external amp but it might not work for you since it is as big if not slightly bigger than your VTF15. The FV15hp is slightly smaller than the VTF15 and is a better sub. The XS30 won't be an upgrade in your room size.
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Thanks guys - I should have mentioned: duals are never gonna happen (WAF).

With that said, how much would inhale to spend to outperform the VTF or SB13?

Ie what would one xs30 do in comparison?

I know the seaton would probably "float my boat" but I have a hard time justifying the price, given my listening habits (ie...I really was happy with the vtf before going on a hunt for WAF)

I did think about the rythmik, buy have that on the back burned given how close in size it is to the hsu

Okay, you are down to only one sub in your room, and it can't be big or bigger than your Hsu. That doesn't leave much. The Rythmik in piano black might be an attractive alternative, although it is large. Just don't count it out. It's a great sub. Obviously, the Seaton is at the top of the heap, but the XS30se isn't all that far behind. Since I own both the SB13 and the XS30, I can give you a comparison. For movies, the XS30 is a solid winner, but is less precise. I use the Ultra in my music room for that very reason. The XS30 is in my TV room and can shake things up shockingly well in my 3,500 cu. ft. room. The new XS30se should be even better, and would be more precise since it has a better driver than my XS30.
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In that large room a XV15se could give everything you had from the VTF-15 but in a smaller enclosure...and what you paid for the SB13u, you could get a pair of XV15se and really dial things in.
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^^ He said no dual. A single sub upgrade over his VTF15 and smaller in size is what he is asking, I think.
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^^ He said no dual. A single sub upgrade over his VTF15 and smaller in size is what he is asking, I think.

I know what he said...the XV15se is quite a bit smaller then the VTF-15. I said duals only from a value standpoint compared to the SB13U.
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^^ True. I don't think it is an upgrade but it is the cheapest and best option for him.
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Hmmm...thanks for all the input.

It looks like suddenly the options are few:

- submersive. The budget buster
- xv15se. Might make the most sense, but the squaw isn't enamored with the looks (the peg feet look)
- xs30. As far as I can discern, even though it's more expensive than the xv15, may not perform as well given my room and habits (movies mainly)

I think the Cap and fv15 are both on the back burner for a bit given the sizes

Edit: 4th option might be just decide the SB13 might be as good as it gets as a performance/WAF compromise

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Hmmm...thanks for all the input.

It looks like suddenly the options are few:

- submersive. The budget buster
- xv15se. Might make the most sense, but the squaw isn't enamored with the looks (the peg feet look)
- xs30. As far as I can discern, even though it's more expensive than the xv15, may not perform as well given my room and habits (movies mainly)

I think the Cap and fv15 are both on the back burner for a bit given the sizes

Also note you can get the XV15se in a real wood veneer for 1249.00 shipped. Which is still a good deal considering size, performance, and asthetics. Cordovan cherry looks amazing.
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Also note you can get the XV15se in a real wood veneer for 1249.00 shipped. Which is still a good deal considering size, performance, and asthetics. Cordovan cherry looks amazing.

+1.  Sounds like this might be the best option.  Performance should be between the VTF15 and FV15HP.  So you should get a bit more performance than what you had, a smaller cab, and a nice real wood finish of  your choice.


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+1.  Sounds like this might be the best option.  Performance should be between the VTF15 and FV15HP.  

Yeah, not likely. The last XV15 would not even perform on the level of a VTF3 let alone a VTF15h. Keep on dreaming.
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To bad box size is a concern. Because one orbit shifter will definitely get the job done in that size room..
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One of the options I'm investigating is seeing if there is a DIY design that might fit the bill, and then seeing if I could get a custom builder to do it for me (since I have no skills or time to speak of)

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Yeah, not likely. The last XV15 would not even perform on the level of a VTF3 let alone a VTF15h. Keep on dreaming.

3rd party measurements are coming soon so we shall see. smile.gif
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Is there a budget, sorry if I missed it. You can do better but in that size it will take $$.

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A tc sounds 18 in about 4 cubic feet sealed along with a shitload of power and dsp comes to mind.

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Shady has provided many helpful posts but if he is honest he would say he has a "thing" for psa.

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I would trust Josh at data-bass.

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Yeah, not likely. The last XV15 would not even perform on the level of a VTF3 let alone a VTF15h. Keep on dreaming.

The Hsu subs are very good performers in my opinion.  I feel that they are due an update to their output for the money with all the recent competition though.  And anyone so inclined can easily compare the clean output capability of the XV15 from data-bass to Hsu's internal CEA2010 test data and make their own determination which sub performs higher, without making...questionable statements.  The se version will widen this gap, and with a smaller cab than the VTF3, let alone the VTF15.  


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