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I'm at the last step in upgrading my home theater. Usage is probably 40% games, 40% movies/tv, 20% music. Current speakers are Pioneer Andrew Jones in 5.1 - SP-FS52-LR floorstanding fronts, SP-C22 center, SP-BS22-LR bookshelf rears. Ground floor, carpet on slab. HT is oriented on the leftmost wall of the living room facing the Bedroom 2. I don't really want to bother the upstairs neighbor too much (aka shake the walls), but I am looking for a more even frequency response across the spectrum at low-mid volumes.
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post #2 of 22 Old 06-07-2014, 07:58 PM
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SVS PB-1000 or SB-1000 ($499, shipped, for either one, and SVS offers free return shipping within 45 days).
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I would go for a Reaction BPS 212 in that room.
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SVS PB-1000 or SB-1000 ($499, shipped, for either one, and SVS offers free return shipping within 45 days).

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These SVS subs are the ones that Audioholics recommended in their review to match with your speakers: http://www.audioholics.com/tower-speaker-reviews/pioneer-sp-pk52fs/pioneer-sp-pk52fs-conclusion

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I would go for a Reaction BPS 212 in that room.

This sub is sold out.

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what do you mean by sold out?
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They will be restocked in a month or so, per Jeremy. If demand is that heavy, I wouldn't be surprised if he raises the price soon. It really looks like the champ at its current price.
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They will be restocked in a month or so, per Jeremy. If demand is that heavy, I wouldn't be surprised if he raises the price soon. It really looks like the champ at its current price.

Any measurements yet? Or does it just "look" like it? wink.gif

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There are no measurements that I know of, however for $500 beggars can not be choosers. All I can say is, based on the available data, it would be my choice for the price.
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I don't know if the svs is a good idea. The guy said he didn't want to bother the neighbors, as he is in an apartment. Better off going with something compact.
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This sub is sold out.

Looks like there are still a few of the original 212s in stock for $329. Hard to beat that deal.

http://reaction-audio.myshopify.com/products/bps-212-powered-subwoofer
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I don't know if the svs is a good idea. The guy said he didn't want to bother the neighbors, as he is in an apartment. Better off going with something compact.
The PB-1000 is roughly the same size as the BPS-212, and neither of them is particularly large. The SB-1000 is considerably more compact than either of them.

If the OP doesn't want to bother his neighbours, that's what the volume control on his AVR and/or the subwoofer level setting in his AVR's speaker set-up menu are for.
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The PB-1000 gets my vote.
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By compact, I meant something with a 8" driver.

What's the fun in having a really nice sub, if he can't even really use it right? That's like buying a lambo, and driving 30 mph all the time.
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What's the fun in having a really nice sub, if he can't even really use it right? That's like buying a lambo, and driving 30 mph all the time.

What's the fun in buying a cheap sub that has poor SQ? That's like buying a moped for riding around town when you could afford a small motorcycle wink.gif

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I'd recommend the ported SVS PB1000 :-)


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What's the fun in buying a cheap sub that has poor SQ? That's like buying a moped for riding around town when you could afford a small motorcycle wink.gif

Not if the town is only 2 square blocks.
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Not if the town is only 2 square blocks.

Then you just walk. No vehicle required. smile.gif
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By compact, I meant something with a 8" driver.

What's the fun in having a really nice sub, if he can't even really use it right?
He doesn't have to crank it up to take advantage of the increased extension (and perhaps also superior SQ) a better sub will offer.

And on those occasions he is able to crank it up, he won't be wishing he was stuck with just an 8" sub. wink.gif
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 I am looking for a more even frequency response across the spectrum at low-mid volumes.

You never stated your budget, but the best chance of achieving this is with dual subs.  Purchase the best two matching subs that fits your budget, order  Umik-1 mic from miniDSP, download REW, then place and measure your subs to get the smoothest FR.  Otherwise, your FR is likely to look like a scary roller coaster regardless which sub you purchase.


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Several people have already given the right answer. At your price point, the SVS PB-1000. You will not get a better subwoofer with a flatter, deeper response for that price. You can avoid bothering the neighbors by using the volume control on your system.

Many people have silly ideas about what it takes to bother neighbors. Crappy bass at 50 Hz bothers the neighbors very well if loud enough. So going with a cheap piece of crap will not guarantee that the neighbors will not be disturbed. You control the volume, and so that is how you avoid bothering the neighbors. A crap audio system is still an annoyance to the neighbors if it is loud enough.

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Thank you everyone. Looks like the overall consensus would be the ported SVS sub. Plan is to do the sub crawl for placement then let audessey do its EQ thing. Will probably need to change the crossover settings manually since the auto eq likes to let each speaker go as low as it can.
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Several people have already given the right answer. At your price point, the SVS PB-1000. You will not get a better subwoofer with a flatter, deeper response for that price. You can avoid bothering the neighbors by using the volume control on your system.

Many people have silly ideas about what it takes to bother neighbors. Crappy bass at 50 Hz bothers the neighbors very well if loud enough. So going with a cheap piece of crap will not guarantee that the neighbors will not be disturbed. You control the volume, and so that is how you avoid bothering the neighbors. A crap audio system is still an annoyance to the neighbors if it is loud enough.

I'm with you 100%. Already have a sub that can bother people, even the speakers will do that if you want/allow them to. I'm looking to make the sound more balanced and even and get some deeper extension. There are times when I can crank it and others when it is dialed back. And if it needs decoupling it looks like SVS sells special feet, or a Auralex riser (SubDude) might work.
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