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Old 06-14-2014, 05:12 AM - Thread Starter
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F113 vs Submersive

I know this has probably been beat to death but do these compare in a dual setup? I have been running F113's for about 4 years and have been looking for something with more output for HT use primarily. I also have a DTS10 in my setup but it doesn't seem to mesh very well with the JL's so it's not used very often.
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In dual set-up?


Well, the SubMersive would outperform the F113. However, if you're experiencing difficulty blending the DTS-10, maybe the answer is some simple optimization tools and skills. Yes, blending of different types of subs can be tricky. Given the right tools, should yield perfectly acceptable results. The DTS-10 is an extremely powerful subwoofer, that should be able to entirely dominate the experience ... and blended properly, should add positively to the experience.


You need some way to EQ, time align (then verify w/measuring), the subs individually, so that they yield constructive summation at the LP. Products from miniDSP, Behringer's DCX, and others, will allow you to align the subs in time, then EQ collectively as one entity. Also, it may be helpful if you adjust low pass settings on individual subs to aid as a fine tuning adjustment in the overall blending effort.


If you don't have measuring capability, OmniMic is so simple, you can be measuring in a couple minutes after you open it up. Also, there's REW free software, that you combine with a purchased mic, it's great software, a bit tougher at the beginning than OmniMic.


Below is a conversation you may find of interest regarding the F113 vs SubMersive, I believe this is the previous, lower power version.
http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/po...fathom-3184523


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In dual set-up?


Well, the SubMersive would outperform the F113. However, if you're experiencing difficulty blending the DTS-10, maybe the answer is some simple optimization tools and skills. Yes, blending of different types of subs can be tricky. Given the right tools, should yield perfectly acceptable results. The DTS-10 is an extremely powerful subwoofer, that should be able to entirely dominate the experience ... and blended properly, should add positively to the experience.


You need some way to EQ, time align (then verify w/measuring), the subs individually, so that they yield constructive summation at the LP. Products from miniDSP, Behringer's DCX, and others, will allow you to align the subs in time, then EQ collectively as one entity. Also, it may be helpful if you adjust low pass settings on individual subs to aid as a fine tuning adjustment in the overall blending effort.


If you don't have measuring capability, OmniMic is so simple, you can be measuring in a couple minutes after you open it up. Also, there's REW free software, that you combine with a purchased mic, it's great software, a bit tougher at the beginning than OmniMic.


Below is a conversation you may find of interest regarding the F113 vs SubMersive, I believe this is the previous, lower power version.
http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/po...fathom-3184523


Good luck

Thanks for the input, I will most likely be selling the DTS-10 and was hoping someone on the forum had actually made the switch from the F113's to SubMersive's.
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I believe the JL subs are High Pass Filtered around 20hz, so they will not dig nearly as low as the SubM's. I would take the Seaton setup without hesitation over the JL.
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I've heard various jl audio subs including the f113. I own dual submersives. There is no comparison!! The jl subs are nice for the size, but for the money it's a no brainier. Get the Seatons and don't look back
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Thanks for the input, I will most likely be selling the DTS-10 and was hoping someone on the forum had actually made the switch from the F113's to SubMersive's.
Back in 2009, I switched from a pair of F112's to a pair of Seaton Submersives. I was pretty happy with the switch:
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Thanks for the input, I will most likely be selling the DTS-10 and was hoping someone on the forum had actually made the switch from the F113's to SubMersive's.
Kris Deering here on AVS had the first pair of HP+ & HP-Slaves and switched to those from a pair of F113s with a pair of smaller sealed subs in the rear which he then later changed out to SubMersives all around. There was a GTG at his house about a year ago now with some posts and comments there.

The larger box volume is a big advantage that many overlook, as this boils down to how much power it takes to produce the bottom 1-2 octaves with a sealed subwoofer, along with driver optimization. The DTS-10 is a powerful beast, but absolutely needs some taming with its own DSP adjustments. Blending with other types of subwoofers with the DTS-10 REQUIRES measurements to have more confidence in the result than a roll of the dice. Placement is also always key, and without measurement it is easy to overlook solutions or to be left guessing if one location is better than another.
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Kris Deering here on AVS had the first pair of HP+ & HP-Slaves and switched to those from a pair of F113s with a pair of smaller sealed subs in the rear which he then later changed out to SubMersives all around. There was a GTG at his house about a year ago now with some posts and comments there.

The larger box volume is a big advantage that many overlook, as this boils down to how much power it takes to produce the bottom 1-2 octaves with a sealed subwoofer, along with driver optimization. The DTS-10 is a powerful beast, but absolutely needs some taming with its own DSP adjustments. Blending with other types of subwoofers with the DTS-10 REQUIRES measurements to have more confidence in the result than a roll of the dice. Placement is also always key, and without measurement it is easy to overlook solutions or to be left guessing if one location is better than another.
Thanks Mark, sent you a PM earlier today
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