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Tom Nousaine RIP

Very sad news. Tom was a great guy who contributed much to this hobby!


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Wah?!? Awww! This is terrible news.

A great contributor, indeed and then some. Smart guy. He will be missed.


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Yes, what a loss, a pioneer ... especially with regard to high levels of low distortion deep bass in the home.


As evidenced by his legendary IB, that Thomas over at the Cult archived below;


http://home.comcast.net/~infinitelyb...usaineIB1.html

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So sad....RIP TN.

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RIP to one of the first writers to start to open my eyes about this stuff.

Also, condolences to SMWTMS members and other personal friends reading this thread.

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Indeed a loss RIP Tom and thanks for many years of knowledge & enjoyment you gave to this hobby!
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Ver sad news. Tom was a great guy who contributed much to this hobby!
Sad news indeed. I first bumped into Tom Nousaine on the old Stereo Review BB in the mid 1990s. He was very generous with his time as I prodded him with hundreds of questions(and believe me---the majority were very *noobish*) regarding DIY, audio measurements, etc. In short, without his patience and enthusiasm for my projects, there would likely never have been a svs, or a power sound.

Much of his published work can be found here.

http://www.nousaine.com/

Tom was a true White Hat and he'll be missed.

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"We speaker builders won't settle for wimpy 25hz 10" subs. We want real bass ... the 5hz stuff."
Tom Nousaine

Speaker Builder Magazine
July 1995


^ Yeah, 20 years ago, ... 1995



"The hottest and best performing modern music and home theater systems employ full range main speakers, with good response to 80hz, augmented with separate true summed mono subwoofers crossed over at 80hz or lower and optimally placed in a corner."
Tom Nousaine

Speaker Builder 6/95


Also, just wanted to share some more. Nousaine was a no nonsense writer, often dispelling common myths. He authored articles in mainstream magazines, and was one of the few writers I cared for in Stereo Review. In the early 90s, he submitted articles about both Boundary Gain, and Pressure Gain. He covered the benefits of multiple subs, and addressing room resonances/standing waves and room modes.


He tested over 200 commercially available subwoofers. Due to their inadequacies, he championed DIY subwoofer efforts. He noted the landscape of commercial offerings, until late 2008*, couldn't produce infrasonic content at reference level.


*(Epik Conquest, SVS-PB13 Ultra)




Certainly worth a look;
http://www.nousaine.com/nousaine_tech_articles.html
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Very sad news indeed. Based upon this the man wasn't even 70. What a shame.

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Ver sad news. Tom was a great guy who contributed much to this hobby!
Sad news indeed. I first bumped into Tom Nousaine on the old Stereo Review BB in the mid 1990s. He was very generous with his time as I prodded him with hundreds of questions(and believe me---the majority were very *noobish*) regarding DIY, audio measurements, etc. In short, without his patience and enthusiasm for my projects, there would likely never have been a svs, or a power sound.

Much of his published work can be found here.

http://www.nousaine.com/

Tom was a true White Hat and he'll be missed.

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Thanks Tom. He really was a great guy.

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It has been my misfortune not to have read Tom Nousaine in many years. The articles on his website show that I have been in grievous error for not reading them. His passing is a true loss.
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A sad day for his loved ones and for the AV world in general. This industry needs more guys like Tom to spread the word and cut through the BS. RIP.


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I've been following Tom Nousaine for about 15 years. His work was instrumental in my subwoofer decisions. Tom has tested well over 200 subwoofers:

Here is one list of the subs tested by Tom. If this chart was previously posted, please forgive me:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...hl=en_US#gid=0
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Met him at the Home Entertainment 2005 show in NYC... a super-nice and interesting guy who was completely unswayed by 'high end' mythmakers. We need more like him in audio journalism.
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Tom had a lot to say that didn't find its way into the mainstream press or for that matter the typical website. Tom wrote extensively in USENET, which after Google took it over became Google Groups. Head on over there and do a search under his last name to read some of the discussions he was a part of.

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Tom had a lot to say that didn't find its way into the mainstream press or for that matter the typical website. Tom wrote extensively in USENET, which after Google took it over became Google Groups. Head on over there and do a search under his last name to read some of the discussions he was a part of.
The very first hit I got there was somebody calling him "Saddam Nousaine" A badge of honor though, considering some of the participants and the nature of Usenet in general.

I see references to the Zipser affair too. Verrrry interesting!
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Quite a cast of characters there. Here's another link...classic Nousaine.

http://www.vxm.com/21R.64.html

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Wow. . Another life cut too short. Rest in peace Tom.

 

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So sad to hear about this today. He actually personally replied to some of my subwoofer questions years ago on the S&V forum. It was once a very lively place. HSU even named one of their subs after him, calling it the "TN" model cylinder. I do however take serious issue with Brent Butterworth's comments here: http://stereos.about.com/od/introduc...-1945-2014.htm

where he has the audacity to say that Tom had the "guts to go against popularly held beliefs". Shouldn't he have been more forthright and said "Audiophile held beliefs"? Butterworth is worth less than the syrup after which he's named.
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Perhaps Mrs. Butterworth has something to say about that!

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...where he has the audacity to say that Tom had the "guts to go against popularly held beliefs". Shouldn't he have been more forthright and said "Audiophile held beliefs"? Butterworth is worth less than the syrup after which he's named.
How about "erroneously held beliefs pushed by the audio industry and their toadies in the press"? Not mentioning any names of course.
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So sad to hear about this today. He actually personally replied to some of my subwoofer questions years ago on the S&V forum. It was once a very lively place. HSU even named one of their subs after him, calling it the "TN" model cylinder. I do however take serious issue with Brent Butterworth's comments here: http://stereos.about.com/od/introduc...-1945-2014.htm

where he has the audacity to say that Tom had the "guts to go against popularly held beliefs". Shouldn't he have been more forthright and said "Audiophile held beliefs"? Butterworth is worth less than the syrup after which he's named.
I think you misunderstood Brent's intent there, but in any case judging a man by a single sentence, well.............. I think a different thread would be more suitable for that venom.
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I'm reading through a bunch of Tom's writings as I type. No disrespect to Mr. Butterworth who's intent I may have indeed misunderstood. I just found some of his comment to be strangely out of place in a eulogy. But Mr. Nousaine did use science and not just his ears and ad copy to verify his beliefs. Despite my subscription to Stereophile I'll go with the Toms over the Brents any day. RIP Tom Nousaine.

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I just found some of his comment to be strangely out of place in a eulogy.
You're not the only one, and it wasn't just one sentence either. About one-quarter to one-third of the entire "eulogy" was entirely inappropriate from my POV. But I'm old-fashioned that way.
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I am very sad to hear this.

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I was sorry to have learned recently that Tom Nousaine had passed away in June. I started reading his reviews in Mobile Entertainment and Car Stereo Review when I was in the car audio business. I continued to read his articles in Sound&Vision and often used them as a resource when posting on this forum. Nobody knew how to evaluate subwoofers better then Tom did and I will continue to miss his reviews.


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SAD NEWS. I always enjoyed his reviews and writing...

http://www.nousaine.com/nousaine_tech_articles.html

List of his works btw...

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Sorry if you didn't like my comments, but here's why I wrote them

I noticed here that some took exception to my description of Tom Nousaine in my obit on About.com Stereos. I could have written an obit saying what a wonderful guy Tom was, and how right he was about everything, but I think that would be an insult to Tom's memory -- and to the intelligence of the people who have known and worked with both of us.

I wrote that obit and posted it as quickly as I could because I wanted to get something in about Tom before a writer from one of the audiophile publications got a chance to trash him. He deserved a fair assessment and praise for the great deal that he accomplished and that's what I tried to give him. Several people who knew him and worked with him e-mailed me to thank me for the article and attest to its accuracy.

Anybody who sees Tom and I as representing opposing viewpoints isn't paying attention. No one has done more to promote blind testing of audio products in reviews than I have. Not even close. I've also invested tens of thousands of dollars and a few thousand hours of my time (poorly compensated if at all) in the effort to bring measurements into audio reviews.

If you want a response from me, put your real name in. I don't respect those who trash others from the safe cover of an alias.
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Brent,

Just read your obit. I can find nothing wrong with it. You wrote an honest and honoring obit, and I believe a man like Tom would appreciate said honesty. Nothing offended me, as it did others. Although, I can see how they might have been offended or taken back. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, as you know.

I hope there is a writer who can take Tom's place in the audio world. His honest, and thorough reviews and opinions will be missed. He dispelled a lot of high-end bs, and was often villified for it. I learned a lot from his articles. He will be missed.

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Some people aren't fans of fake "apologies" either.

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I noticed here that some took exception to my description of Tom Nousaine in my obit on About.com Stereos. I could have written an obit saying what a wonderful guy Tom was, and how right he was about everything, but I think that would be an insult to Tom's memory -- and to the intelligence of the people who have known and worked with both of us.
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I wrote that obit and posted it as quickly as I could because I wanted to get something in about Tom before a writer from one of the audiophile publications got a chance to trash him. He deserved a fair assessment and praise for the great deal that he accomplished and that's what I tried to give him.
This doesn't seem to have actually happened. In particular, the Sound & Vision obit was, I think, quite well done. At any rate, what's important is the content of the article. The rest is a side issue.

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Several people who knew him and worked with him e-mailed me to thank me for the article and attest to its accuracy.
There's an amusing song about this phenomenon. It's called "The Lurkers Support Me in Email".

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Anybody who sees Tom and I as representing opposing viewpoints isn't paying attention.
In my case, what I was paying attention to was your own words, to wit:

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But audiophiles -- i.e., enthusiasts of traditional, two-channel stereo systems -- vilified him, and not without reason. If you read through many of his old articles, it's easy to get the impression he had it in for them. It often seemed to me that whenever a prevailing idea about audio emerged in audiophile publications such as The Absolute Sound and Stereophile, Tom would concoct a blind listening test with the intent of disproving it. Audiophiles think speaker stands make a difference? Tom "proved them wrong."
Putting "proved them wrong" in scare quotes tells me you do not believe he did so. The viewpoint expressed in that quote is that of opposition to Tom's view. Nothing wrong with that at all, but to claim you had substantively similar viewpoints is disingenuous. Anyone objecting to Tom's skepticism of The Absolute Sound and Stereophile is not of the same view as he.

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No one has done more to promote blind testing of audio products in reviews than I have. Not even close.
I can only laugh at that. I might change my mind if you could provide some evidence that there's even a shred of truth to that claim.
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