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Question REL, SVS, or Rythmik?

So, having narrowed down essentially all of my other equipment, I thought that I knew what I wanted in terms of subs. Now I've found two other contenders, and want to know some opinions. Here's what I've decided on for the remainder:

My equipment:
Focal Aria 936 floorstanding speakers
Focal Aria 906 bookshelf speakers
Focal Aria CC900 centre-channel speaker
Transparent MusicLink/Wave cable
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Room dimensions:
~130 cubic metres (5.8m l X 4.25m w X 5.2m h)
~4500 cubic feet (19' l X 14' w X 17' h)
Opens up to a loft atop

Sub options:
REL T-9
SVS SB13-Ultra
Rythmik Audio F15HP

I'm thinking that I will probably end up getting two of any of those options, due to the sheer size of the room.

I'm about 90-95% music, with 5-10% film, so the clear emphasis is on music. I listen to everything from classical, to choirs, to hardcore/metal, to dubstep and dance. I do like bass that is controlled, but can also open up and make you feel like you're at a rock concert when you want it to.

Any suggestions?

Thanks again for the help and opinions.

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Rythmik's servo design provides low distortion and well-controlled driver response for very clean output. I own a couple and thus am biased but I like them. They beat out several much higher-priced subs.

For that large a space, and fairly close dimensions, you may want to eventually get two subs to provide greater output and better control room modes at the listening position.

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A vented sub may be a better choice than two sealed subs. So, no FH 15. The SVS is a great all around sub with great output for a large room. The Rel will not be as strong as the SVS. The SVS is the best of the choices even though it is also a sealed sub. Have you considered vented sub? Great music is very doable with a vented sub.

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Since you mentioned getting a pair I would go Rythmik. And not to make you're decision any more difficult, have you looked at Reaction Audio's offerings? Two of his PS 215X would really give the Rythmiks a run for their money.

Or even the PV 15X

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I do not own any of the sub mentioned. Here's Jim's take between the sb13 and E15hp. The F15hp is slightly bigger and has slightly more output than the E15hp
Rythmik E15 vs SVS SB13 Ultra
Read post#102. Two or more subs are needed for that room size.
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I do not own any of the sub mentioned. Here's Jim's take between the sb13 and E15hp. The F15hp is slightly bigger and has slightly more output than the E15hp
Rythmik E15 vs SVS SB13 Ultra
Read post#102. Two or more subs are needed for that room size.
Thanks for linking such a great post! It sounds like I should probably remove the REL from my list, since it hasn't gotten much favour from anyone except the local dealer. So, now it is between the F15HP and the SB13-Ultra...

Thanks again for the input!
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Another option is to check out the PSA XS15se...you can get 2 for the price of a SB13. The measurements over at data-bass.com shows it to be up to par with the JL Audio E112, Martin Logan Dynamo1500, and SB13.

I would still give the F15HP the edge but for 799.00 the XS15se offers a ton of quality bass for the buck. So my 2 choices would be either the F15HP or XS15se.
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You can't go wrong with either. F15hp is cheaper, SB13U has better warranty.
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Out of the two subwoofers that you have chosen, my two cents are as follows:

SVS SB13-Ultra: It is the smallest subwoofer between the two and presents a very acceptable WAF. It's a 17.5-inch cube with a curved metal grille that arches out 3 inches. Its 13-1/2 inch driver is massive. I own this subwoofer and it is used for music only, although its LFE capability is surprisingly good. The sub I chose for movie LFE was the PSA XS30. The SVS sits in a 3,400 cu. ft. room that is fairly open and has no problems filling the room with clean, powerful, crisp bass. I'm thrilled to own it (I have the piano black finish). As tvuong indicated, its warranty is the best in the industry.

Rythmik F15HP: I was going to audition a Rythmik F15HP-SE (piano black), but that model had a 6 month backlog on orders at the time. Rythmik subs are known for tight controlled bass because of their servo design. It's also a serious sub for movie LFE. I have a feeling it is just as good as the SVS music-wise and may even be slightly better on certain types of music, but I have never auditioned it, so I cannot confirm this. But everyone who owns one, raves about it.

You simply can't go wrong with either of these choices, and since you are going to order two, each brand should provide you with what you are seeking in your large room.
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I'll toss in a hell of a monkey wrench and suggest dual Seaton Submersives in that large room. Get the master and slave combo to help keep the cost lower. If that is out of budget I would have to look awfully hard at Rythmik's F15 that you have on your list or their F25. Duals of any option of course.

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^^ Monkey wrench, indeed. Just remember, the OP wants a sub for mostly music (90-95% music). There is very little doubt that the Seaton SubMersive ranks as one of the best subs one can get, no matter the price. However, it isn't cheap and shipping costs may add an additional $300. While the XS30se may not be a SubMersive, it's not all that far away and cost a whole lot less.
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^^ Monkey wrench, indeed. Just remember, the OP wants a sub for mostly music (90-95% music). There is very little doubt that the Seaton SubMersive ranks as one of the best subs one can get, no matter the price. However, it isn't cheap and shipping costs may add an additional $300. While the XS30se may not be a SubMersive, it's not all that far away and cost a whole lot less.
Yep that is why I am sticking with his direction of sealed subs. Also trying to match up the overall quality of his components, so the Seaton's are worth mentioning. And I agree, the XS30es would be a good suggestion as well, especially with the recent driver upgrade, and if budget is a concern.

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I would sum up the SB13-Ultra vs. E15HP like this:

1. If you want the best warranty get the SVS.
2. If you want something less expensive, get the Rythmik.
3. If you want to feel like the house is coming down on you during movie playback, get the SVS.
4. If you want the last word in articulation during music playback, get the Rythmik.

Given you stated 90-95% music, I would have to go with the Rythmik.
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Out of the three subs mentioned, the sub I would NOT go for is REL. They make nice furniture as far as subwoofers go. That's all I can say about their performance/price ratio

Looking at the SVS/Rythmik There outputs are very close. Both will crack foundation, the servo control may make the Rythmik more articulate than the SVS but the SVS has a better warranty. Either way, your gonna get a hell of a sub from these two companies.

System Name Drivers 10Hz 12.5Hz 16Hz 20Hz 25Hz 31.5Hz 40Hz 50Hz 63Hz 80Hz 100Hz 125Hz

Rythmik Audio, FV15HP(1 port)Sing. 15 / 98.5 104 108.3 111.7 115.3 117.8 118 117.9 117.8 117.6 117.2
Rythmik Audio, FV15HP(2 ports)Sing. 15 / 89.8 102.1 108.1 113.1 117 119.5 119.1 118.8 118.4 118.2 118
SVS, PB-13 Ultra(15Hz)Sing. 13.5 / 89.3 105.1 109.2 111.1 113.6 116.4 116.7 115.9 114.8 113.8 113.4
SVS, PB-13 Ultra(20Hz)Sing. 13.5 / / 97.4 110.6 113.5 115.5 117.5 117.8 116.6 115.3 114.4 114.1
SVS, PB-13 Ultra(sealed)Sing. 13.5 / 84.6 91.5 97.6 104 110 113.8 115.2 114.7 114 113.4 113

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Out of the three subs mentioned, the sub I would NOT go for is REL. They make nice furniture as far as subwoofers go. That's all I can say about their performance/price ratio

Looking at the SVS/Rythmik There outputs are very close. Both will crack foundation, the servo control may make the Rythmik more articulate than the SVS but the SVS has a better warranty. Either way, your gonna get a hell of a sub from these two companies.

System Name Drivers 10Hz 12.5Hz 16Hz 20Hz 25Hz 31.5Hz 40Hz 50Hz 63Hz 80Hz 100Hz 125Hz

Rythmik Audio, FV15HP(1 port)Sing. 15 / 98.5 104 108.3 111.7 115.3 117.8 118 117.9 117.8 117.6 117.2
Rythmik Audio, FV15HP(2 ports)Sing. 15 / 89.8 102.1 108.1 113.1 117 119.5 119.1 118.8 118.4 118.2 118
SVS, PB-13 Ultra(15Hz)Sing. 13.5 / 89.3 105.1 109.2 111.1 113.6 116.4 116.7 115.9 114.8 113.8 113.4
SVS, PB-13 Ultra(20Hz)Sing. 13.5 / / 97.4 110.6 113.5 115.5 117.5 117.8 116.6 115.3 114.4 114.1
SVS, PB-13 Ultra(sealed)Sing. 13.5 / 84.6 91.5 97.6 104 110 113.8 115.2 114.7 114 113.4 113
Thanks for sharing these numbers, but the OP is interested in the F15HP and SB-13 Ultra not the ported models from these two companies.
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3. If you want to feel like the house is coming down on you during movie playback, get the SVS.
I do not think this is true with the op's room size.
The op is looking for small sub size from what I can tell. Seaton, F25 and xs30 are relatively much larger then the three or two now he is considering.
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I would sum up the SB13-Ultra vs. E15HP like this:

1. If you want the best warranty get the SVS.
2. If you want something less expensive, get the Rythmik.
3. If you want to feel like the house is coming down on you during movie playback, get the SVS.
4. If you want the last word in articulation during music playback, get the Rythmik.

Given you stated 90-95% music, I would have to go with the Rythmik.
I don't know that the Rythmiks are really less expensive since one has to pay for shipping, whereas shipping is included with SVS. I definitely want articulation with music, so the Rythmik does seem like the way to go. That being said, I got a better feeling of professionalism from SVS when I spoke with a representative on the phone. I know that doesn't have much to do with the quality of the sub, but it does make an impact. I also like that you can send back the SVS if you don't like it after a trial. The Rythmiks will incur a a shipping fee back, and a restocking fee.

So, ultimately, I think that both subs will be good choices (especially over the REL). I would be stepping out on the Rythmiks, but it does sound like they are fantastic for music. After reading far too many reviews, my ONLY performance concern with the Rythmiks is that they seem to run hot.

Thanks again for all the opinions and suggestions!
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F15HP -> 1336.00 shipped in the continental 47.

SB13U -> 1599.00 shipped.

Looks cheaper to me. Even the Piano black F15HP is 1511.00.
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F15HP -> 1336.00 shipped in the continental 47.

SB13U -> 1599.00 shipped.

Looks cheaper to me. Even the Piano black F15HP is 1511.00.
You're right that it is slightly cheaper (with piano black), but I had it with the feet as well, so the difference was virtually negligible. Also, since I would be ordering two, the SVS ones are $1500 shipped.
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F15HP -> 1336.00 shipped in the continental 47.

SB13U -> 1599.00 shipped.

Looks cheaper to me. Even the Piano black F15HP is 1511.00.
I think the OP is getting a pair, so it's even cheaper because there is a 10% discount when you buy two Rythmik Audio subwoofers.

Two F15HPs is $2420 (with shipping included) and two SB-13 Ultra is $2999 (with shipping included)

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I don't know that the Rythmiks are really less expensive since one has to pay for shipping, whereas shipping is included with SVS. I definitely want articulation with music, so the Rythmik does seem like the way to go. That being said, I got a better feeling of professionalism from SVS when I spoke with a representative on the phone. I know that doesn't have much to do with the quality of the sub, but it does make an impact. I also like that you can send back the SVS if you don't like it after a trial. The Rythmiks will incur a a shipping fee back, and a restocking fee.

So, ultimately, I think that both subs will be good choices (especially over the REL). I would be stepping out on the Rythmiks, but it does sound like they are fantastic for music. After reading far too many reviews, my ONLY performance concern with the Rythmiks is that they seem to run hot.

Thanks again for all the opinions and suggestions!
I know you pointed out the customer service experience you had with SVS, but don't let that hold too much weight in your decision. Rythmik is a small operation and Brian the owner pretty much runs it himself. He is always quick to address and resolve any issues that might surface. With that said I know SVS has great customer service I just wanted to point out what you might not have known about Rythmik. Good luck in your decision! Of course just as I type this Enrico chimes in Brian does have him to help out with customer service. He just doesn't have a full staff like I'm sure SVS does.

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I don't know that the Rythmiks are really less expensive since one has to pay for shipping, whereas shipping is included with SVS. I definitely want articulation with music, so the Rythmik does seem like the way to go. That being said, I got a better feeling of professionalism from SVS when I spoke with a representative on the phone. I know that doesn't have much to do with the quality of the sub, but it does make an impact. I also like that you can send back the SVS if you don't like it after a trial. The Rythmiks will incur a a shipping fee back, and a restocking fee.

So, ultimately, I think that both subs will be good choices (especially over the REL). I would be stepping out on the Rythmiks, but it does sound like they are fantastic for music. After reading far too many reviews, my ONLY performance concern with the Rythmiks is that they seem to run hot.

Thanks again for all the opinions and suggestions!
We do not charge restocking fee.

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Ah, okay. I was going off of this page:

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/order.html

where it says "All other returns of non-defective units are subject to a restocking fee." I was thinking that meant that there wasn't a way to "demo" it. Thank you for your prompt response. I do understand that Rythmik is a smaller company, and I certainly didn't mean any disrespect with my comments about the comparison to SVS. From what I have read and heard, Rythmik makes exceptional products, and I will certainly consider the F15HP in my final decision.
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Ah, okay. I was going off of this page:

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/order.html

where it says "All other returns of non-defective units are subject to a restocking fee." I was thinking that meant that there wasn't a way to "demo" it. Thank you for your prompt response. I do understand that Rythmik is a smaller company, and I certainly didn't mean any disrespect with my comments about the comparison to SVS. From what I have read and heard, Rythmik makes exceptional products, and I will certainly consider the F15HP in my final decision.
No disrespect at all. It's just that a lot of people don't realize that Rythmik is a small operation in comparison to some of the other ID companies. I really think whichever you decide to go with you will probably end of keeping it. Both are great subs. SVS has the edge with their warranty and the Rythmik F15HP will have an advantage as far as output goes. Both have top notch sound quality. The amplifier on the Rythmik is going to have more bells and whistles, so this will give you more flexibility in dialing in the sound exactly the way you like it.
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Nathanzachary: You can demo the Rythmik. AFAIK, they have a 30-day trial period. However, you incur the shipping back to Rythmik if for some oddly strange reason it does not satisfy -- which would be odd indeed . SVS is the only company I know that allows free shipping both ways during their 45-day trial period plus other perks, although their pricing structure accounts for many of these perks (I know the return shipping was added without hiking prices). Again, we are talking about two outstanding subwoofers here, each with their own pluses and minuses ... but a heck of a lot more pluses. Also, SVS 5-year unconditional warranty is the best in the business.

Since you read Jim Wilson's excellent review on the SVS and Ultra (different model but very similar) it should give you a good idea about the strengths of these subwoofers. Jim loved them both and the decision was very difficult for him, but Jim slightly preferred the Rythmik.
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I can vouch for Rythmik. They went out of their way in helping me buy my sub. Create company and create people to deal with.. and I live in Canada.
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Thanks for sharing these numbers, but the OP is interested in the F15HP and SB-13 Ultra not the ported models from these two companies.
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I think the OP is getting a pair, so it's even cheaper because there is a 10% discount when you buy two Rythmik Audio subwoofers.

Two F15HPs is $2420 (with shipping included) and two SB-13 Ultra is $2999 (with shipping included)
I think Rythmik is the only sub company that hides the 10% discount for buying 2. You have to add 2 to your cart to find out it exists.


I have 4.
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If it were me, and you have narrowed it down to dual F15HP or dual SB13Ultra, I would order two of each, and keep the two you like best after your in house demo. Worst case scenario, you send the Rythmik's back and eat a few dollars shipping. To know that the several thousand you are spending on subs got you the best option, no big deal. If you keep the Rythmiks, zero extra money spent.

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