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Currently own Velodyne CHT-12: Why upgrade?

Hello all,

I've had a Velodyne CHT-12 for quite some time and have been content with its performance. I have heard a few people recommend upgrading this to something new. I am wondering what the benefit of doing so would be. Seems like this was a good sub (at least at the time). What's evolved in the subwoofer world that would make it worthwhile to get something new?

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The Velodyne cht subwoofers are rubbish in my not so humble opinion. I upgraded recently from the Velodyne cht-10q(2 years old) to the svs pb-1000 and the difference is huge. You will most likely have the same experience if you upgraded to the svs-pb2000 or something similar.
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The Velodyne cht subwoofers are rubbish in my not so humble opinion. I upgraded recently from the Velodyne cht-10q(2 years old) to the svs pb-1000 and the difference is huge. You will most likely have the same experience if you upgraded to the svs-pb2000 or something similar.
Thanks for the response. Just one thing to point out, I would only be looking to spend $300-$500 on a new sub.
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Hello all,

I've had a Velodyne CHT-12 for quite some time and have been content with its performance. I have heard a few people recommend upgrading this to something new. I am wondering what the benefit of doing so would be. Seems like this was a good sub (at least at the time). What's evolved in the subwoofer world that would make it worthwhile to get something new?

Thanks!
That Sub is weak, very weak. Everything that matter most has evolved-


Driver fidelity
Better Crossovers
Better Cabinet Structure
More Power
More competition
Improved Amplifiers


the list goes on, just get yourself a nice new Internet Direct Sub for around $800...you'll throw away your old sub in a heartbeat.
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Thanks for the response. Just one thing to point out, I would only be looking to spend $300-$500 on a new sub.


Plan on spending at least $500 or don't even bother upgrading...
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Plan on spending at least $500 or don't even bother upgrading...

So something like the BIC PL-200 wouldn't be an worthwhile upgrade? I guess if I would have to spend more than $500, I'd just stick with what I have. I think mine sounds fine, but it's all I've known for the last 10 years or so.

20x20 room, 9ft ceilings, wood floor, open to a 20x20 kitchen on one side.

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While the BIC is a good budget sub, there’s not really apoint because the BIC will give you more volume but doesn’t give you the deep bass that a $500 would give you.


The main purpose of a subwoofer is to provide very deep bass at the volume you need without sounding distorted. The BIC would give you more volume but it is limited in how deep it goes. A $500 sub would provide you with an improvement in both areas, that’s why some may recommend that as your nextstep. You be going “yeah, there’s a difference after I upgraded”. After a few years, that extra money you spent from a $500 over a $300 sub may not seem so painful, you’ll be glad you have something that was as good as you could afford at the time.
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While the BIC is a good budget sub, there’s not really apoint because the BIC will give you more volume but doesn’t give you the deep bass that a $500 would give you.


The main purpose of a subwoofer is to provide very deep bass at the volume you need without sounding distorted. The BIC would give you more volume but it is limited in how deep it goes. A $500 sub would provide you with an improvement in both areas, that’s why some may recommend that as your nextstep. You be going “yeah, there’s a difference after I upgraded”. After a few years, that extra money you spent from a $500 over a $300 sub may not seem so painful, you’ll be glad you have something that was as good as you could afford at the time.
Thanks for the response. I'm open to $500 for a sub, so if that was the case, is there a 12" or 15" sub that I should consider that is a significant improvement over my current sub?
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PB1000 is a good entry level "high performance" sub

It's a 10" sub but the driver will easily match many larger drivers.

You can also look for a Outlaw LFM1-Plus. If you don't mind "B-stock" item, sometimes they have them for $500

https://www.outlawaudio.com/mofcart/bstock.html

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Thanks for the response. I'm open to $500 for a sub, so if that was the case, is there a 12" or 15" sub that I should consider that is a significant improvement over my current sub?
SVS PB1000 $500 delivered or $450 if you can find one in the outlet section
Reaction Audio BPS212, $499 delivered
HSU VTF2-MK4 around $580 delivered
Rythmik LVR-12, $599 delivered

Your three best choices for the price.

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Ditto on the PB-1000 that warpdrive noted, plus SVS has one of the best warranties in the business. Reaction Audio has a sub (BPS-212) with dual-opposing 12-inch drivers that you should take a look at as well ($499 shipped). However, you've indicated that your room size is large (3,600 cu. ft., not including being open to another room just as large!!), so you might want to consider two subwoofers instead of one, such as two NXG NX-BAS-500. It's not in the same league as the SVS or Reaction Audio, but two subs could help smooth out room modes plus give you an additional 3-6 dB in output over one NXG. See Jim Wilson's review here: http://www.hometheatershack.com/foru...er-review.html
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Thank you all! I will keep a look out and see.
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Money is tight and you're content with what you have, so I say stick with it. You can always do better, but I wonder whether an entry-level decent sub won't just make you want a less entry-level one, and suddenly your original budget is out the window. Maybe you're better off not getting on the hedonic treadmill in the first place? Just my two cents.

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So something like the BIC PL-200 wouldn't be an worthwhile upgrade? I guess if I would have to spend more than $500, I'd just stick with what I have. I think mine sounds fine, but it's all I've known for the last 10 years or so.

20x20 room, 9ft ceilings, wood floor, open to a 20x20 kitchen on one side.


That's not a small room.....all the more reason to stretch your budget. Have you considered Audiogon for used subs? Perhaps you can find a great buy and save a ton of $$


I'd shoot for a used sub....in the 500 - 600 dollar range. let me know if you'd like any advice...
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Maybe you're better off not getting on the hedonic treadmill in the first place? Just my two cents.
So says the man with his brand new Rythmik FV15HP
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So says the man with his brand new Rythmik FV15HP
Touché! I expected that comment and was tempted to preempt it. The gist of my response is that I, too, initially thought I'd get something at the $500 price point. But after some research I realized it would be a poor fit for the very large space I have to pressurize, among other considerations. And my style is to buy the right thing the first time--I've had the same two-channel system, with nary an upgrade, for the past fifteen years. I'll probably do the same with my new sub. Would a second one be nice? Sure. Would a Submersive or two be nice? Sure. But I don't feel a particular need to go down that path. Feel free to quote this back to me when I order that second FV15HP in a year or two.

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niccolo: I understand perfectly. Enjoy the heck out of your terrific sub! And I'll be watching for that second one down the road .
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