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Ready for a New Sub........Decisions, Decisions

Well, the rattle coming from my Energy S10.3 has reached such an annoying level that I'm ready to buy a new subwoofer. Problem is I am having a hard time making up my mind.

I have a relatively small sealed room, about 11' x 20' x 7'. It's a basement separated by a staircase, so the actual area I'm working with is more like 11' square. Floor is ceramic tile on concrete. I currently have the S10.3 in a corner next to the love seat and it sounds great there, except for the rattle of course.

After doing way too much research, I've narrowed my choices to the following:

SVS PB-1000
SVS SB-2000
SVS PB-2000

HSU VTF2-MK4
HSU VTF3-MK4

Power Sound Audio XS-15se
Power Sound Audio XV-15se

I would like to go with one of the sealed subs but I'm concerned that I will not get the impact I have with the S10.3.

I currently have the Pioneer first generation floorstanders, center and bookshelfs powered by a Denon AVR-1912.

Right now, I am leaning towards the PB-1000, VTF2-MK4 or the XS-15se. Right now, $800 is the max and that's really stretching it.

What would my fellow forum members choose for my situation? I am thinking the PB-2000 or XV-15se would be overkill in my small space. If you think otherwise, please let me know. Any and all answers appreciated.

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no such thing as "too much". just sayin.
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You could purchase both the XV15 and PB2000 and send the 1 back you do not like free of charge being both have a free in home trial.
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^^ great suggestion. It is so nice to be able to audition subs in your own room completely free of charge. Your ear, room will help making the decision so much easier regardless of what other folks' opinion. I wonder if he can order a sealed and a vented sub from both SVS and PSA and return three free of charge

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Don't mean to hijack the thread but was hoping to get some advice on my setup. I have a 18X12x 9H rectangular closed room with one entrance. I have PSB Image T6, C5 and S5 surrounds. My budget for the sub is around $500-600 but potentially could go higher if reAlly really need to. Based on the research below are the subs I was looking for in the order of preference (purely based on what I read)

1. HSU VTF-2 MK4
2. Rhythmic LV-12R
3. SVS PB-1000

My question is

Which one is recommended as I would use it mostly for movie watching 60% gaming, music and TV watching?

Do I really need to go a version higher, if yes which one?

Would I really benefit from having two subs for the setup (will add one in the future) , if yes then I would prefer to keep the budget for each sub at around $500.


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After doing way too much research, I've narrowed my choices to the following:

SVS PB-1000
SVS SB-2000
SVS PB-2000

HSU VTF2-MK4
HSU VTF3-MK4

Power Sound Audio XS-15se
Power Sound Audio XV-15se
my dollar would go to the VTF3 or XS15SE

dont think i u will go wrong with either as they are great subs, even the SVS. If u can audition them, and make a decision as the sound signature of diff subs is subjective.
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At $800, the PB-2000 or VTF-3 gets my vote. The HSU is on sale right now.
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Don't mean to hijack the thread but was hoping to get some advice on my setup. I have a 18X12x 9H rectangular closed room with one entrance. I have PSB Image T6, C5 and S5 surrounds. My budget for the sub is around $500-600 but potentially could go higher if reAlly really need to. Based on the research below are the subs I was looking for in the order of preference (purely based on what I read)

1. HSU VTF-2 MK4
2. Rhythmic LV-12R
3. SVS PB-1000

My question is

Which one is recommended as I would use it mostly for movie watching 60% gaming, music and TV watching?

Do I really need to go a version higher, if yes which one?

Would I really benefit from having two subs for the setup (will add one in the future) , if yes then I would prefer to keep the budget for each sub at around $500.


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It depends upon what you seek in a sub. Do you want to feel the walls pound and shake, including your seat and yourself? Do you listen at near reference levels?

Your room is considered on the lower end of medium size (1,500 - 3,000) so any of those quality subs you've listed should do very well, but won't exactly bring the house down. Adding a second sub down the line will provide you greater output, but more importantly will help smooth out any room modes that may play havoc at your listening position. Normally, good sub placement will help ensure good sound at the listening position, but all rooms are different and often sub placement is restricted, so there are no guarantees.

Since I haven't auditioned any of the subs on your list, I cannot make a suggestion. As far as your question about going "higher", that is not a real question around here. The answer would be, "go big or go home!"
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I am actually looking for a sub to feel the bass on my face. I am a big enthusiast of feeling the effects of the home theatre. So the question is whether one of the above would suffice or should I get one of the higher version or two of any if the above with the second one for the future


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I am actually looking for a sub to feel the bass on my face. I am a big enthusiast of feeling the effects of the home theatre. So the question is whether one of the above would suffice or should I get one of the higher version or two of any if the above with the second one for the future


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If your looking for bass in the face you might as well scratch the PB-1000 off your list. It might tickle you at best. Your other choices are solid choices to start with.

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I would be all over this if I were in your shoes. It will easily best both the Rythmik LV12R and HSU VTF-2 MK4 in output and maintain better composure while doing so.

http://www.svsound.com/specials/outl...b12-nsd-outlet
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OP here - Thanks for the suggestions everyone. Based on your suggestions, I'm narrowing my choices to PSA or SVS. I'll contact them and see what their suggestions are before deciding. Thanks again everyone.

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Both great companies you really can't go wrong.

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I am actually looking for a sub to feel the bass on my face. I am a big enthusiast of feeling the effects of the home theatre. So the question is whether one of the above would suffice or should I get one of the higher version or two of any if the above with the second one for the future


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If you decide to audition a subwoofer from Power Sound Audio my recommendation would be the XS15se for this room size. You have about 1550 cu-ft, sealed. A single XS15se is going to extend down to the 5hz to 7hz range here with clean output capabilities of >115dB from 30-35hz and up and likely 106-112dB in the 10hz to 30hz range. Start with one and you can always add a second within a year and still get the full dual discount pricing(so the second would be $699). Your room size is just begging for a sealed sub to mirror your transfer function and get you into the single digits..

EDIT----based on this info(I knew I remembered talking to Tom about this sub!)

http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...-system-page-3

A single XS15se will have (conservatively) 2x the output of the 10.3 sub.
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Hell pick-up the PB12 and XS15se. Audition both and keep the one that sounds best to you. I only suggest doing this obviously if your funds allow a temporary set back.

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I agree with JT. You can't go wrong with either company. Great people to deal with and the best warranty in the business. SVS offers free shipping both ways and so does PSA during this promotion period (for the XS15se and XV15se), which makes it a great time to buy.
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Thanks guys !! Do you still feel I would need two subs for the setup or one should be sufficient?


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OP here - Thanks for the suggestions everyone. Based on your suggestions, I'm narrowing my choices to PSA or SVS. I'll contact them and see what their suggestions are before deciding. Thanks again everyone.

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Sorry Steve we really should have told the other guy to go start his own thread.

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If you decide to audition a subwoofer from Power Sound Audio my recommendation would be the XS15se for this room size. You have about 1550 cu-ft, sealed. A single XS15se is going to extend down to the 5hz to 7hz range here with clean output capabilities of >115dB from 30-35hz and up and likely 106-112dB in the 10hz to 30hz range. Start with one and you can always add a second within a year and still get the full dual discount pricing(so the second would be $699). Your room size is just begging for a sealed sub to mirror your transfer function and get you into the single digits..

EDIT----based on this info(I knew I remembered talking to Tom about this sub!)

http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...-system-page-3

A single XS15se will have (conservatively) 2x the output of the 10.3 sub.
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Tom, glad you chimed in. As a matter of fact, when I was thinking of getting a new sub about a year ago or so, you actually convinced me to keep the S10.3 after showing me it was a pretty good sub. Given that you could have easily used your expertise to get me to buy a PSA sub but didn't speaks volumes to me and many others on this and other forums. That is one very important reason I'm considering PSA, even though it will be a stretch financially. Thanks for taking the time to share your expertise with us.

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Don't mean to hijack the thread but was hoping to get some advice on my setup. I have a 18X12x 9H rectangular closed room with one entrance. I have PSB Image T6, C5 and S5 surrounds. My budget for the sub is around $500-600 but potentially could go higher if reAlly really need to. Based on the research below are the subs I was looking for in the order of preference (purely based on what I read)

1. HSU VTF-2 MK4
2. Rhythmic LV-12R
3. SVS PB-1000

My question is

Which one is recommended as I would use it mostly for movie watching 60% gaming, music and TV watching?

Do I really need to go a version higher, if yes which one?

Would I really benefit from having two subs for the setup (will add one in the future) , if yes then I would prefer to keep the budget for each sub at around $500.


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This is the second time you've done that within a few minutes - you posted the same thing here as well. Instead of apologizing for hijacking someone else's thread why don't you just start one of your own?

If you take yourself too seriously expect me to do the exact opposite
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Apologies, I will refrain from making any further comments.


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It's cool just next time create your own thread.
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