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post #1 of 20 Old 07-08-2014, 09:37 PM - Thread Starter
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Sub for a (very) small room

Hi all! Long time lurker slipping out of the shadows for some help.

I'm finally ready to buy a subwoofer for my fledgling home theater after researching for a few months but anytime I feel like I've decided on what to buy doubts creep in. The main issue is that I'm working with an 11ftx10ftx8ft room and am extremely conflicted on going either sealed or ported.

The room has one doored entrance, a small closet with a sliding door that's shut 99% of the time (just being used for storage, etc), and one window. Currently I have two Focal Chorus 705s serving as stereo speakers. I'll be staying as a 2.1 setup for a while, I want to be replace my aging AVR before I even consider the wisdom of adding more speakers to a room this size.

This is in a house with plenty of space between my neighbors and I. So long as I don't set things off to earthquake-like conditions irritating the neighborhood isn't a concern. My usage is probably 80/20 in favor of movies, with some occasional gaming mixed in.

Budget wise I've been looking at subs up to $900 shipped, mostly focusing on SVS and Hsu (I've nearly purchased the VTF-3 Mk4, SB12-NSD, or the PB12-NSD a few times) but I'm definitely open to other suggestions. I've largely been looking at a single sub right now but could be convinced to consider dual - it just seems highly overkill for the size of this room.

Any advice/suggestions would be appreciated, thanks!
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My Suggestion(as I mentioned in another thread) would be to order the PSA sub and a SVS sub then return 1 free of charge. If you do not like either then send them both back and go elsewhere without a dime out of pocket. That being said I would strongly consider the PSA XS15se. Similar performance to the JL E112 and SVS SB13 for much less coin. Keep in mind you do get some nice features and finishes with the JL and SVS sub that contribute to the higher price. www.Data-bass.com/systems is your friend.
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That IS a small room and any of the subs you've mentioned could do serious damage in that room. Other than those quality subs you've chosen, the following in your price range would blow the doors off and could do a great job in a room twice your size:

PSA XS15se (sealed) @ $799 shipped (plus free shipping back during their promotion)
PSA XV15se (ported) @ 899 shipped (plus free shipping back during their promotion)
Reaction Audio BDP-212 (dual-opposed sealed) @ $499 shipped
Reaction Audio BDP-215 (dual-opposed sealed) @ $880 shipped
Reaction Audio PV-15X (ported) @ $950 shipped
Rythmik LV12R (ported) @ $599 shipped
Rythmik F12 or F12G (sealed) @ $874 shipped
Rythmik F15 (sealed) @ $974 shipped
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The SVS SB-2000 would be plenty and least expensive. The PSA XS15SE will offer more output. And the Rythmik F12 will have the edge in SQ. Choose your poison. The F15 or D15SE would be worth the stretch in budget.
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Don't mean to hijack the thread but was hoping to get some advice on my setup. I have a 18X12x 9H rectangular closed room with one entrance. I have PSB Image T6, C5 and S5 surrounds. My budget for the sub is around $500-600 but potentially could go higher if reAlly really need to. Based on the research below are the subs I was looking for in the order of preference (purely based on what I read)

1. HSU VTF-2 MK4
2. Rhythmic LV-12R
3. SVS PB-1000

My question is

Which one is recommended as I would use it mostly for movie watching 60% gaming, music and TV watching?

Do I really need to go a version higher, if yes which one?

Would I really benefit from having two subs for the setup (will add one in the future) , if yes then I would prefer to keep the budget for each sub at around $500.


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I have a room 700 cubic feet, and use a SB Ultra 13. Couldn't be better. I wouldn't like using a 12" SB in a room larger than mine, for movies.

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Thank you for all of the suggestions!

I'm starting to lean towards demoing the PSA XS15se and using that as a basis for how easily I'll be able to position a sub of that physical size (plus it looks like a hell of a good sub). I made up a quick floorplan for the room to help visualize what I'm working with - I have a little over 2.5 ft on either side of the front console to work with for positioning in the front, and more options for the side/rear though the door would make the right rear corner a bit tricky.

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Hard to go wrong with the XS15se. Then again, it's hard to go wrong with any of the subs mentioned. No matter what you end up choosing, you'll need to do a sub crawl test to find the best sonic location.
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Don't mean to hijack the thread
But you did.

Just like the other threads you didn't mean to hijack.

Start your own thread. Your hijacking is not forum polite and is generally distracting to the OP's question.
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My bedroom is similar in size to yours and my ported 8 inch JBL subwoofer does wonders in that room and is crazy loud, it aint as clean sounding in music as my Rythmik F15 (Sealed 15) , but its good enough for movies. A 10 inch ported or a 12 inch sealed should be overkill in that room. What is going for you is that you don't need to spend a lot to get loud, you can use your budget to go for smaller subs with better quality / better build / better finish, though I would not get anything smaller than a 10 inch driver.
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my small room is also with in your dimensions, 1 door, 2 windows <900 ft^3,
I had 2 Klipsch sub 10's "smartly" located in the room
Then I ran REW and found my response at below 38 hz all but disappeared.
Short answer I built a THTLP 24" wide ,from Bill Fitzmaurice plans. using a BASH 300.
So have you considered DIY ?
for your budget you can get a really great ROI for varying degrees of effort
and some of the flat packs offered around here, just too easy to not say no, thank you.


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i also have a room about the size of yours. bought a yamaha YST-SW200 off ebay, 8" ported active servo. amazing what it does. paid about $100.00 to my door. that was about 6 years ago.
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i also have a room about the size of yours. bought a yamaha YST-SW200 off ebay, 8" ported active servo. amazing what it does. paid about $100.00 to my door. that was about 6 years ago.
I've got a Yamaha subwoofer. It's bloody awful, in fact it's so bad I leave it switched off.

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Hi all! Long time lurker slipping out of the shadows for some help.

I'm finally ready to buy a subwoofer for my fledgling home theater after researching for a few months but anytime I feel like I've decided on what to buy doubts creep in. The main issue is that I'm working with an 11ftx10ftx8ft room and am extremely conflicted on going either sealed or ported.

The room has one doored entrance, a small closet with a sliding door that's shut 99% of the time (just being used for storage, etc), and one window. Currently I have two Focal Chorus 705s serving as stereo speakers. I'll be staying as a 2.1 setup for a while, I want to be replace my aging AVR before I even consider the wisdom of adding more speakers to a room this size.

This is in a house with plenty of space between my neighbors and I. So long as I don't set things off to earthquake-like conditions irritating the neighborhood isn't a concern. My usage is probably 80/20 in favor of movies, with some occasional gaming mixed in.

Budget wise I've been looking at subs up to $900 shipped, mostly focusing on SVS and Hsu (I've nearly purchased the VTF-3 Mk4, SB12-NSD, or the PB12-NSD a few times) but I'm definitely open to other suggestions. I've largely been looking at a single sub right now but could be convinced to consider dual - it just seems highly overkill for the size of this room.

Any advice/suggestions would be appreciated, thanks!

Hey Wret!


I have a 960 cubic foot room, so it's a little bigger than yours. I thought my room was tiny haha. I've read a lot that sealed subs are better for smaller rooms due to room gain. They're usually smaller and are usually a little cheaper than their ported counterparts. I went with a SVS PB-2000 in my room and I love it. A large ported sub sounds awesome in my tiny room. My room sucks acoustic wise. Any really low bass just rattles my room and the door in the hinges and I personally don't like it. My PB-2000 does this too and if a sealed sub would extend even lower and do it even more, I really wouldn't like it, but that's just me in my current room. For me, I want as much output down to 20hz for my movies with my current room. The PB-2000 is awesome! I wouldn't go duals for $900 shipped. Dual SVS PB-1000 would be my minimum suggestion for duals for anyone and that'll run you $998. I had the PB-1000 and now have the 2000 and its so much better IMO. It rocks. I can't speak for HSU since I haven't heard them, but I read they're great as well. I'd go SVS since I actually have the PB-2000 and love it. If you wanna check out my reviews I did for both and if you wanna ask me any questions about the PB-1000 or 2000 I'd be glad to answer them. Good luck on your search! You'll love anything you buy with any of those subs I'm sure!

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I had horrible response with a single sub and a small room (11x11'). No matter where I tried to put it, and there were only so many options, I either had zero bass at the listening position, or super boomy bass. It wasn't until I added another that the response became reasonable. I use 3 in my living room main setup.
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you'll need to do a sub crawl test to find the best sonic location.

+++1 Positioning is crucial!! I put my SVS in the corner and it didn't impress me too much. Moved it out a little from the corner along the wall and the bass quality/slam at my seat was like night and day! Sub crawl or actually measuring your room yourself is a must!

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As an update, I received the XS15se today and have been really pleased by it. Did the sub crawl and the winner was behind and to the left of the seating area, near the rear corner. I'll try out other spots/make minor adjustments just to be sure but it sounds really good already with just by ear adjustments, plenty good for the initial demo.

I'm planning to break out the SPL meter this weekend when I have more time to really sit down with it but I'm already happy with how it's blending with the fronts. I may demo a ported sub from SVS just to satisfy my curiosity but it's hard to argue with how it's sounding in that room right now.
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As an update, I received the XS15se today and have been really pleased by it. Did the sub crawl and the winner was behind and to the left of the seating area, near the rear corner. I'll try out other spots/make minor adjustments just to be sure but it sounds really good already with just by ear adjustments, plenty good for the initial demo.

I'm planning to break out the SPL meter this weekend when I have more time to really sit down with it but I'm already happy with how it's blending with the fronts. I may demo a ported sub from SVS just to satisfy my curiosity but it's hard to argue with how it's sounding in that room right now.

Congrats on the sub! Glad you're liking it so far! As long as you're happy with your sound that's all that matters. Any pictures or a review of it I'd love to check out..

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