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In a Quandry: Get another Sub or get Bass Shakers?

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I have in the last 6 months moved all my bigger gear to my basement and started building a cinema room. I have noticed that my bass seems to be lacking compared to the living room, likely due to being on a concrete foundation as well as now having about 4000ft3 to fill with bass.

Currently I am running a PC20/39 that I upgraded to the 12.3+ driver and the Sledge 400 amp and paired up with my old Klipsch Sub-10 to help even the room out.
The Klipsch is up front next to one of my towers under the screen and the SVS is in the back of the room on the other side of my chairs hiding under the stair case.

I can still get a decent amount of bass down there, but feeling I should do something else for just a little more to get back to the pressurized feeling I had on the upstairs level.
So my options are to get another sub similar in looks and performance to my current sub to make it look nicer and perform a little closer to the SVS or, use bass shakers on each one of my theater seats.

Suggestions?
I was thinking if I went new, the closest I would find is a PC12NSD from SVS outlet for $679. If I went used, I found a local person that has a few year old PC2039+ for $450. This has the 12.3 driver, but the amp may be over what I have now.

Any suggestions from the gurus?


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Basement HT is challenging due to the concrete floor and walls. It can be very dead in the bass dept. and kill some of the mids and Hi's if heavily carpeted. Drop ceilings can also act as a bass trap. My HT is in the basement and is around 5300 cu ft. Depending on budget, you have several options:
1. additional and more powerful subs
2. make the space smaller
3. consider an IB sub if you don't have a drop ceiling
4. Bass shakers

I added additional and more powerful subs. I put up a couple of walls to get the space down to 5300 cu ft. This is much more cost than shakers. The big question is what are you final goals for the HT and look of the HT. Shakers will add a nice effect but, the won't add that sense of pressure. Selling the current subs and replacing them with 4 18 in Dayton subs may break even for you around the $700 range. The subs come in kits that are easily put together. You have a big space to fill.

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Long term goals are to not be here in a year or so, so I dont want to invest alot. I plan on moving in the near future.
Ceiling is not done and walls are not the greatest.
I was looking for shakers originally for more effect, but figured my money could go to a better cause to add more pressure. I did a bass crawl tonight and there really is no better spots for subs that I found. Its just a blah area. Where I have my SVS is the loudest area. I do hear the Klipsch sometimes, so I figured swapping for a matching sub may help a bit and give a little more DB since its quite a bit more potent sub.

Where are you finding these kits this cheap?


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I checked on there and maybe the woofers themselves are $800, but not with boxes and amps unless I am missing anything
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Popalock has 32 SI-18's in a 1500cuft room.

NotNyt has 64 SI-18 equivalence in a 5000cuft room.
I have 22 SI-18 equivalence in a 3000cuft room.

All three of us have cement groundfloor systems as I understand.

The point is, if you are a basshead there is almost no limit to how many you need, and the needs increase exponentially as the room size goes up.
Most sane people stop at quad HO/SI/UM/RE/UXL/LMS 18's though!

With shakers you can feel the shake down to like 1-3hz, you can't sense those frequencies from conventional subs, or even extreme subs for that matter!

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http://www.parts-express.com/dayton-...kage--300-7094 Currently they sell for $320.00. This is driver plus box.

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You can compare various OEM vs DIY subs here:
http://www.data-bass.com/systems

Both distortion and SPL and depth to see how they compare.

You could buy 2 or 4 of these and these
http://www.parts-express.com/dayton-...-coil--295-518
http://www.parts-express.com/knock-d...woof--300-7079
(If you contact Chalugadp he might be able to make some better/louder boxes for cheaper.)
and 1 or 2 of these
http://www.parts-express.com/behring...-dsp--248-6706

This will be a significant increase is bass output over what you have now.
Problem is the UM's keep getting pushed back because they are in such high demand, so you might have to wait a while...

That's one the cheapest options to get loud bass, and lots of people have gone this route; you can always start with just 1 and keep adding until happy.
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Thanks for the replies guys. It is deff eye opening although out of my budget and realm right now.
When I got an extra $2k or so around to get 4 of these setup I am sure they will dessimate, but deff out of my lowly budget right. Is as this was a whim for an extra $400-500 I will have next week
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I would add bass shakers...its an upgrade that will keep on giving even if you continue to upgrade your subs. The guys with the biggest, baddest, and most expensive subwoofer setups still often run shakers and say that it adds greatly to the experience. On a concrete floor you will likely get a lot more bang for your buck as far as being able to really feel the frequencies below 20 Hz. Go with a quality setup like the full size buttkicker..complete kit with amp is around your budget and should not bottom out easily as some of the cheaper ones do. Also plays lower than some of the cheap ones.

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I actually got both. I scored some Bass Shakers on Ebay fairly cheap and got a deal on a PC 20-39+ on CL for a fairly cheap price also. Im gonna try both in conjunction to see how it goes.
I may look into these Dayton 18's in the future if this setup does not work for me.

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Nice pickup! Let's us know what you think.

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Nice pickup! Let's us know what you think.
Will do. Im gonna try the shakers with another BASH amp I have sitting around when I get them. Im trying to get with this dude on the SVS on Friday and he seems a little flaky. I might end up with an outlet PC12NSD if he flakes.
Fingers crossed though as I would be getting over $200 off the NSD price on this 20-39.

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Congrats, best of both worlds! Run the second sub first, then add the bass shakers and let us know your impressions.

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Will do. Im gonna try the shakers with another BASH amp I have sitting around when I get them. Im trying to get with this dude on the SVS on Friday and he seems a little flaky. I might end up with an outlet PC12NSD if he flakes.
Fingers crossed though as I would be getting over $200 off the NSD price on this 20-39.
Personally, if the deal falls through on the used sub, i would get the Outlaw LFM1-EX on sale for $599 shipped. Not a better sub available below $800, and a class ahead of the NSD.(It has literally double the output of the PC12-NSD above 30Hz)

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Personally, if the deal falls through on the used sub, i would get the Outlaw LFM1-EX on sale for $599 shipped. Not a better sub available below $800, and a class ahead of the NSD.(It has literally double the output of the PC12-NSD above 30Hz)
problem is, it does not match my current sub. I would really like to get matching stuff if I can. The debocle I am in now is that my subs not only do not match in looks, but deff not in performance either.
I figured the closer I could get them, the more it would compliment the room aethetically as well as sound performance

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problem is, it does not match my current sub. I would really like to get matching stuff if I can. The debocle I am in now is that my subs not only do not match in looks, but deff not in performance either.
I figured the closer I could get them, the more it would compliment the room aethetically as well as sound performance
Can't change the asthetics, but, I think the Outlaw would match up with your old sub as well as the PC12-NSD would...they all have similar port tunes. However, I am not sure it would be wise to limit the performance of whatever new sub you buy based on the lower performance of your original sub.

If the money is the same, why not get twice the output?

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What about doing dual UM-15's and getting one of the amps mentined above? I can do 2 of those for about the same price and then sell the SVS later maybe and get 2 more?

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If you are going to go the DIY route, I would personally look at doing two Martycubes(2'x2'x2'), with two SI-18 drivers and an Inuke3000 DSP. This option would likely outdo any ID offering under $3000, and is upgrade-able down the road if you ever want to get crazy by switching to UXL-18 drivers and in inuke6000.

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If you are going to go the DIY route, I would personally look at doing two Martycubes(2'x2'x2'), with two SI-18 drivers and an Inuke3000 DSP. This option would likely outdo any ID offering under $3000, and is upgrade-able down the road if you ever want to get crazy by switching to UXL-18 drivers and in inuke6000.
I'll check into those. To run those amps, do I need preouts on my avr? Or will subouts work?
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Sorry not sure but I think you will get a fast accurate response on the DIY forums. The Inukes are probably the most popular DIY amps of late. The Martycube is even available as a complete flatpack from forum member Chalugadp if you don't want to build your own.

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I'll check into those. To run those amps, do I need preouts on my avr? Or will subouts work?


the subouts work fine. I had success using my existing cables and an rca->xlr adapter,into the iNuke 3000 DSP, after poor results with a Radio Shack rca->trs adapter.

IMO, DIY is the way to go. there is more work involved, versus buying ID, but worth it in the long run. And the bang/$$ ratio is unbeatable. Of course, YMMV.

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the subouts work fine. I had success using my existing cables and an rca->xlr adapter,into the iNuke 3000 DSP, after poor results with a Radio Shack rca->trs adapter.

IMO, DIY is the way to go. there is more work involved, versus buying ID, but worth it in the long run. And the bang/$$ ratio is unbeatable. Of course, YMMV.

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Thanks. I think I might be able to handle a flat pack kit and drivers.
I'm leaning towards the Ultimax 15's with the 3000dsp.
Not sure I need the 18's but more importantly neither the suggested 18's are in stock and who knows when they will be.
Concerns of sealed over my experience with ported also, as the flat packs for these subs I am finding are sealed
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I have the same issue with my basement too. I already have 4 15" subs. I was thinking of bass shakers or IB sub or two 18" subs. however 2 more box subs will eat up more real estate. Let me/us know which solution worked for ya.
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Wow, you have 4 15's and not happy with them? Lol
I can't even imagine !
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If you are going to go the DIY route, I would personally look at doing two Martycubes(2'x2'x2'), with two SI-18 drivers and an Inuke3000 DSP.
Looking more at this, I think I might go this route and just wait on the pieces when they come in. I assume this upgrade to 2 18's ported and basically double the power that I would be throwing to each SVS 12 would be an absolutely retarded amount of bass upgrade compared to what i have now?
Should I get 2x D2's and run each at 4Ohm load to keep the power handling where it should be?


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Wow, you have 4 15's and not happy with them? Lol
I can't even imagine !
My theater is in my basement with a cement floor. I may install a sub floor. Hopefully that will help. I can hear the bass but cant feel the bass.
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Have you tried near field placement? I found that in my room with concrete floors, placing my sub next to the couch made a world of difference in tactile feel. I think one more cylinder sub, both moved near your listening position could be an easy and quick fix to your problem.
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Have you tried near field placement? I found that in my room with concrete floors, placing my sub next to the couch made a world of difference in tactile feel. I think one more cylinder sub, both moved near your listening position could be an easy and quick fix to your problem.
I have my svs fairly near field and not doing it for me.
I have another post that I already ordered some 18's and a pro amp and figuring a box now. Have 2 shakers coming too.

Man this turned from a $400 thing to now about $1200 or so. Lol
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I have my svs fairly near field and not doing it for me.
I have another post that I already ordered some 18's and a pro amp and figuring a box now. Have 2 shakers coming too.

Man this turned from a $400 thing to now about $1200 or so. Lol
Gotta love the addiction! If you have a lot of space definitely build two full Marty subs. They're huge beasts but they are incredible. I did a 15" with An Ultimax driver tuned to about 16hz and it's awesome. It's a proven design that can't miss!

And like someone said above, the cubes are great too if you don't want two coffins in your theater.
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