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I got a new TV but the sound is terrible and I cant install a soundbar because m TV isn't mounted and its a 65" so getting the soundbar that has a flat surface would just like weird so I'm dishing out the extra cash for some real speakers.

CNET suggests using the onkyo A-5VL Integrated Stereo Amp with two tower speakers.

Now I get it. I have two speakers, so I'll need two coaxial cables (I'm going to get the Pioneer SP-FS52 speakers) which will both go into the amp and then a toslink cable which will go into the TV.

Now what I'm wondering is where the wires (coaxial) will go on the amp, heres a link to the page of the amp: http://www.onkyousa.com/Products/mod...urce=prodClass

Also if I were to get a subwoofer in the future, say from the same Pioneer set (http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-FS5...r+SP-FS52-LR+A )

What wires will I need for that and where would they go, is that amp sufficient enough?

Does anyone also have a recommendation for a better bang for buck amp?

The idea of this came from a CNET article http://www.cnet.com/news/sound-bar-b...-need-to-know/ (scroll down until you see two tower speakers) which is where I'm getting my amp recommendation from.

Though I'm mainly concerned about the subwoofer as I plan on getting one in the future. So is a subwoofer compatible, and if it is how would I hook it up (what cables what I need, etc?)
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Picture of the back of the amp for you to help a noob like me: http://www.onkyousa.com/imagesNew/am...back_large.jpg
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First, the Onkyo is a two channel amp so you only get stereo outputs. This is not a 2.1 or 5.1 amp so there is not a sub out. This is not what you want to get if you want a subwoofer.


The speaker wire you would use is standard two-wire speaker wire that you can use with or without banana plugs.


You would need a coax cable for a sub unless you get a sound bar with a sub. You can find these at Radio Shack or Best Buy. Ask for a subwoofer cable.


I hate to put you back to square one, but you are heading in the wrong direction.


If you start with a sound bar, then you need to choose which one and look at the inputs. They should have a digital input and you would only need a TOSLINK cable to connect from the TV's digital output. If you get one with a wired or wireless sub, then the sub connection is taken care of by the sound bar.
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You're much better off getting a 5.1, or 7.1 channel avr.
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Originally Posted by konigsberg7 View Post
I got a new TV but the sound is terrible and I cant install a soundbar because m TV isn't mounted and its a 65" so getting the soundbar that has a flat surface would just like weird so I'm dishing out the extra cash for some real speakers.

CNET suggests using the onkyo A-5VL Integrated Stereo Amp with two tower speakers.

Now I get it. I have two speakers, so I'll need two coaxial cables (I'm going to get the Pioneer SP-FS52 speakers) which will both go into the amp and then a toslink cable which will go into the TV.

Now what I'm wondering is where the wires (coaxial) will go on the amp, heres a link to the page of the amp: http://www.onkyousa.com/Products/mod...urce=prodClass

Also if I were to get a subwoofer in the future, say from the same Pioneer set (http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-FS5...r+SP-FS52-LR+A )

What wires will I need for that and where would they go, is that amp sufficient enough?

Does anyone also have a recommendation for a better bang for buck amp?

The idea of this came from a CNET article http://www.cnet.com/news/sound-bar-b...-need-to-know/ (scroll down until you see two tower speakers) which is where I'm getting my amp recommendation from.

Though I'm mainly concerned about the subwoofer as I plan on getting one in the future. So is a subwoofer compatible, and if it is how would I hook it up (what cables what I need, etc?)
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Picture of the back of the amp for you to help a noob like me: http://www.onkyousa.com/imagesNew/am...back_large.jpg
For the price of that AMP you could get a really good receiver, plug all your devices directly into the receiver via HDMI, then run an HDMI cable from the receiver HDMI ARC out to your TVs HDMI in that has ARC on it (it will be labeled as such). We can walk you through that setup easily. Then you just need some speaker wire to connect the speakers to the receiver. Since you are only using two speakers you would just connect to the Front Left and front Right channels of the receiver. Other benefits of a receiver are you can add more speakers later and more power per channel. If you still decide to go the route you are looking at you will just need speaker wire from the amp to the speakers and an optical or coaxial cable from your TV to the amp. In order to add more speakers or a sub at a later date you would need a different amp or a receiver anyway.
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Case in point, you can get this receiver for 100.00 less than that 2 channel amp and it is way more bang for your buck (although I prefer Denon to Onkyo).

http://www.onkyousa.com/Products/mod...urce=prodClass
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Why is the receiver so much cheaper?

And Finally:


What EXACTLY would I need to purchase if I got the:

(1) Two tower speakers and the ONKYO A-5VL 2

(2) Two tower speakers, subwoofer, and the AV receiver (http://www.onkyousa.com/Products/mod...urce=prodClass)


And I'm talking about specific links or just more specific than just "speaker wire" i.e :RCA 16 Gauge Speaker Wire" and what kind of tools (guessing I'll need a stripper), etc. I don't want to mess up a large purchase like this.

I'm going to order online so I won't have in-store help and I'd like it to be just 1 nice smooth purchase


Thank you SO VERY much for your help and input

PS Keep in mind I am a TOTAL NOOB at this and haven't really inspected amps to even see what speaker wire input/output looks like when connected. I honestly thought in that picture I linked you on the right side were coaxial inputs, lol
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Why is the receiver so much cheaper?

And Finally:


What EXACTLY would I need to purchase if I got the:

(1) Two tower speakers and the ONKYO A-5VL 2

(2) Two tower speakers, subwoofer, and the AV receiver (http://www.onkyousa.com/Products/mod...urce=prodClass)


And I'm talking about specific links or just more specific than just "speaker wire" i.e :RCA 16 Gauge Speaker Wire" and what kind of tools (guessing I'll need a stripper), etc. I don't want to mess up a large purchase like this.

I'm going to order online so I won't have in-store help and I'd like it to be just 1 nice smooth purchase


Thank you SO VERY much for your help and input

PS Keep in mind I am a TOTAL NOOB at this and haven't really inspected amps to even see what speaker wire input/output looks like when connected. I honestly thought in that picture I linked you on the right side were coaxial inputs, lol
This is a pretty good article pointing out the pluses and minuses of each ( A receiver vs an amp). The short of it is bigger companies produce significantly more Receivers on shorter cycles so the tend to be cheaper to build based on sheer scale.

http://www.audioholics.com/frequent-...s-vs-separates

For both solutions you are thinking of you would need speaker wire and I use this:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

People seem to like Polk, Pioneer, and JBL for entry level speakers and I have hear good things about these pioneers:
http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-FS5...1W1Q6V82FPYMGM

Personally I love Klipsch speakers but they aren't for everyone as some complain of the sound being "fatiguing". I personally love them though and the new entry level Reference line intrigues me:
http://www.klipsch.com/klipsch-refer...nding-speakers

You will need a wire stripper like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Irwin-Industri...er+wire+cutter

Your amp or receiver would really depend on the speakers you choose because you want to make sure you have enough watts to run them. To make it simple I compare speaker wattage (RMS or continually wattage not Peak power) @ 8 ohms to the receiver's same numbers. I know there is a formula for it but you want your receiver to be slightly more powerful. If you are dead set on getting an amp versus a receiver I would definitely look at an amp company vs Onkyo. I like Emotiva a lot.
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This is a pretty good article pointing out the pluses and minuses of each ( A receiver vs an amp). The short of it is bigger companies produce significantly more Receivers on shorter cycles so the tend to be cheaper to build based on sheer scale.

http://www.audioholics.com/frequent-...s-vs-separates

For both solutions you are thinking of you would need speaker wire and I use this:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

People seem to like Polk, Pioneer, and JBL for entry level speakers and I have hear good things about these pioneers:
http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-FS5...1W1Q6V82FPYMGM

Personally I love Klipsch speakers but they aren't for everyone as some complain of the sound being "fatiguing". I personally love them though and the new entry level Reference line intrigues me:
http://www.klipsch.com/klipsch-refer...nding-speakers

You will need a wire stripper like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Irwin-Industri...er+wire+cutter

Your amp or receiver would really depend on the speakers you choose because you want to make sure you have enough watts to run them. To make it simple I compare speaker wattage (RMS or continually wattage not Peak power) @ 8 ohms to the receiver's same numbers. I know there is a formula for it but you want your receiver to be slightly more powerful. If you are dead set on getting an amp versus a receiver I would definitely look at an amp company vs Onkyo. I like Emotiva a lot.
Thanks, is this speaker wire fine? http://www.amazon.com/RCA-AH16100SR-...s=speaker+wire

It seems to be a different guage? I just want one full pay from Amazon really


Here's what I put in my cart:



That should be everything for now, right?

Then later on I'd get a subwoofer. Should I change the guage of the speaker wire? Theres even an AmazonBasics speaker wire but its only 16 guage. The RCA one goes down to 14 guage, I have no idea what all this means by the way.
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Using your original plan, If you purchase a powered sub which has the option of using speaker level inputs, you could use the 'B' speaker outputs on the current amp to provide input to the sub. The sub's xovers would filter out all except the bass frequencies to the sub and since it's powered it wouldn't draw much power away from the main speakers.

I would only use the audio L/R out from the TV to the amp instead of the optical. If the optical is used you may not get true stereo and some information may be lost.

You can get there with your original choice of hardware, but it's not ideal.

Depending on how critical an ear you have, you could go with used hardware. I recently purchased a full functioning Onkyo TX-SR601 6.1 100W/ch AV receiver at a yard sale for $30. Buy yourself something similar, mate it with one of the many 5.1 speaker systems such as the Polk TL1500 or TL1600 w/sub and you'll have a much better system for a few bucks more.
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Thanks, is this speaker wire fine? http://www.amazon.com/RCA-AH16100SR-...s=speaker+wire

It seems to be a different guage? I just want one full pay from Amazon really


Here's what I put in my cart:



That should be everything for now, right?

Then later on I'd get a subwoofer. Should I change the guage of the speaker wire? Theres even an AmazonBasics speaker wire but its only 16 guage. The RCA one goes down to 14 guage, I have no idea what all this means by the way.
For your setup gauge won't really matter. 16 gauge will be just fine 😊
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Oh wow, I just thought of this. Since I'm going to be using an AV reciever I'll be plugging in my PS4, for example, into the AV reciever which will increase input lag which is bad for gaming. I see theres an optical input on the AV reciever I listed, is that for output or input aka can I use it to just control the speakers and not have to use HDMI ARC so my input lag on my gaming consoles dont increase?


*Upon further reading, I dont see an optical out and this AV reciever is highly rated. However, the amp obviously has an optical out so ugh what!? I think I'm confusing stuff, I need to sleep.
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Oh wow, I just thought of this. Since I'm going to be using an AV reciever I'll be plugging in my PS4, for example, into the AV reciever which will increase input lag which is bad for gaming. I see theres an optical input on the AV reciever I listed, is that for output or input aka can I use it to just control the speakers and not have to use HDMI ARC so my input lag on my gaming consoles dont increase?


*Upon further reading, I dont see an optical out and this AV reciever is highly rated. However, the amp obviously has an optical out so ugh what!? I think I'm confusing stuff, I need to sleep.
That is an optical in which you would use from your TV if you decided to not use ARC. Why would you need optical out from the receiver? I wouldn't worry about the receiver adding lag. What TV are you using? Just turn off all video processing on the receiver and the signal just passes right through.
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Thanks, is this speaker wire fine? http://www.amazon.com/RCA-AH16100SR-...s=speaker+wire

It seems to be a different guage? I just want one full pay from Amazon really


Here's what I put in my cart:



That should be everything for now, right?

Then later on I'd get a subwoofer. Should I change the guage of the speaker wire? Theres even an AmazonBasics speaker wire but its only 16 guage. The RCA one goes down to 14 guage, I have no idea what all this means by the way.
Don't forget HDMI cables, unless you already have those.
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Don't forget HDMI cables, unless you already have those.
I mean I have 1 spare 2.0 HDMI cable and then I have all the HDMI cables for my devices. That's all, right?
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Looks good, go for it!
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Oh, you may want to consider banana plugs, they make life a lot easier when you switch AVRs or speakers.

I use these: http://www.amazon.com/Deadbolt-Banan...s=banana+plugs

You'll need 2 pair for each speaker.
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Oh, you may want to consider banana plugs, they make life a lot easier when you switch AVRs or speakers.

I use these: http://www.amazon.com/Deadbolt-Banan...s=banana+plugs

You'll need 2 pair for each speaker.
I agree. I almost recommended them to the OP but I wasn't sure if it would complicate things. But you are right, they make things much easier.
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Oh wow, I just thought of this. Since I'm going to be using an AV reciever I'll be plugging in my PS4, for example, into the AV reciever which will increase input lag which is bad for gaming. I see theres an optical input on the AV reciever I listed, is that for output or input aka can I use it to just control the speakers and not have to use HDMI ARC so my input lag on my gaming consoles dont increase?
I have gone from PS3 to receiver than receiver HDMI output to TV with no percieved input lag.

And when I am not playing in front of my TV I am infront of an MLG gaming monitor. There is no real lag at all. The only lag I get is when my internet connection drops
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I got the Pioneer SP FS52 tower speaker (2), I don't really understand how to install the speaker wire into it. Like on my receiver I can put it under a plug but the plugs on these speakers are kind of weird, anyone know a good tutorial or can just tell me in lamens?
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I got the Pioneer SP FS52 tower speaker (2), I don't really understand how to install the speaker wire into it. Like on my receiver I can put it under a plug but the plugs on these speakers are kind of weird, anyone know a good tutorial or can just tell me in lamens?
http://www.htd.com/installation-instructions

They are called 5 way binding posts,This gives a basic overview. Now if you had installed banana plugs on the speaker wire then you would just plug them indirectly to the ends.
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http://www.htd.com/installation-instructions

They are called 5 way binding posts,This gives a basic overview. Now if you had installed banana plugs on the speaker wire then you would just plug them indirectly to the ends.
Any recommendations on specific bannana plugs? Hopefully on Amazon so I can get that two day free shipppinng!
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Any recommendations on specific bannana plugs? Hopefully on Amazon so I can get that two day free shipppinng!
From a few posts up:

http://www.amazon.com/Deadbolt-Banan...plugs+16+gauge

Same ones I use. You will need 4 per speaker to do both the speaker end and the receiver end (if your receiver accepts banana plugs).

Update: Your receiver does accept banana plugs.
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For these Pioneer SP FS52 tower speakers, I only have one hooked up atm, but it feels like sound is only coming out the top? Should I be hearing some from the bottom?

How would I tell if they are broken? The boxes were e so roughed up man

God I'm a noob.

EDIT: I gotta wake up early tomorrow, so I'll strip the wires and set it up the other one later (my wire stripper didn't come in and I've been doing it with this other tool I have with my PC things so the stripping is pretty bad) , but man one speaker sounds better than the TV's. Still, I wanna know how I would know if my speakers were broken in any way, haha
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