Budget Subwoofer for Music - Page 2 - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Forum Jump: 
 6Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #31 of 64 Old 08-14-2014, 02:17 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
dsrussell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Corona, CA.
Posts: 5,778
Mentioned: 70 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2223 Post(s)
Liked: 3018
Quote:
Originally Posted by niccolo View Post
Agreed, the FV15HP is superb for music, I'm amazed how good it sounds taking over at 60 hz for solo double bass, for example.

Still curious about the non-linearity issue for ported subs, though.
I'm not sure about the non-linearity issue you are speaking of. The data-bass tests were run using the same testing parameters, but even then there are microphone tolerances, distance tolerances, weather condition tolerances (heat, humidity, cold, wind) that can cause slight variances, and that doesn't include when the microphone was last calibrated (calibration is another tolerance) or perhaps another microphone was used. When one talks about 1 or 2 dB output difference, to me they may be virtually identical in performance because of all the tolerance build up involved. Now, when one is talking 5 or 6 dB, that is significant. But once that sub is place into a home, all that goes out the window. The tests are there for basic comparison purposes, and won't necessarily predict what the outcome will be inside a home environment. And even if a subwoofer's performance was perfectly flat through the frequency range during testing, I can pretty much guarantee you it won't be once it is inside your home.

I think we get so caught up with numbers, charts and graphs, and getting that last ounce of performance that we forget to kick back and enjoy ourselves.
dsrussell is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #32 of 64 Old 08-14-2014, 02:22 PM
Senior Member
 
niccolo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 477
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 139 Post(s)
Liked: 39
Quote:
Originally Posted by dsrussell View Post
I'm not sure about the non-linearity issue you are speaking of. The data-bass tests were run using the same testing parameters, but even then there are microphone tolerances, distance tolerances, weather condition tolerances (heat, humidity, cold, wind) that can cause slight variances, and that doesn't include when the microphone was last calibrated (calibration is another tolerance) or perhaps another microphone was used. When one talks about 1 or 2 dB output difference, to me they may be virtually identical in performance because of all the tolerance build up involved. Now, when one is talking 5 or 6 dB, that is significant. But once that sub is place into a home, all that goes out the window. The tests are there for basic comparison purposes, and won't necessarily predict what the outcome will be inside a home environment. And even if a subwoofer's performance was perfectly flat through the frequency range during testing, I can pretty much guarantee you it won't be once it is inside your home.

I think we get so caught up with numbers, charts and graphs, and getting that last ounce of performance that we forget to kick back and enjoy ourselves.
What I meant is that around the port tune there's an output hump, right? In other words, if a sweep was played, the ported sub would be louder for a part of the spectrum. Sure, the room matters, but one would have to get pretty lucky for the room to smooth the sub's non-linearity, no?
niccolo is offline  
post #33 of 64 Old 08-14-2014, 02:38 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
dsrussell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Corona, CA.
Posts: 5,778
Mentioned: 70 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2223 Post(s)
Liked: 3018
I think we may be talking about two different animals. One being output, the other being frequency response. If anything, a slight hump in loudness at the lowest frequencies is a good thing. Our hearing is not nearly as efficient at lowest frequencies as they are at midrange and upper frequencies. We quickly lose detail at lower frequencies. I guess our ancient ancestors could feel an elephant coming and was more in tune to the rustling of leaves and grass for other predators .
dsrussell is offline  
 
post #34 of 64 Old 08-14-2014, 02:43 PM
Senior Member
 
niccolo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 477
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 139 Post(s)
Liked: 39
Quote:
Originally Posted by dsrussell View Post
I think we may be talking about two different animals. One being output, the other being frequency response. If anything, a slight hump in loudness at the lowest frequencies is a good thing. Our hearing is not nearly as efficient at lowest frequencies as they are at midrange and upper frequencies. We quickly lose detail at lower frequencies. I guess our ancient ancestors could feel an elephant coming and was more in tune to the rustling of leaves and grass for other predators .
My understanding is that in an anechoic chamber, a paradigmatic sealed sub would have flat output down to some frequency, at which point that output would gradually decrease. In contrast, the ported sub would be flat for a while, have an output hump around its port tune, and then decrease. Maybe I'm mistaken about that?
niccolo is offline  
post #35 of 64 Old 08-14-2014, 02:50 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
dsrussell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Corona, CA.
Posts: 5,778
Mentioned: 70 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2223 Post(s)
Liked: 3018
I believe that is correct. A ported sub will have a steep rolloff below the tuning port, while a sealed sub will have a more gradual rolloff, but with less output. One of the reasons ported subs are so popular is their ability to play loud at the lower frequencies, where a sealed sub would require better drivers, more powerful amplifiers and cost twice as much to get that output that is critical to our enjoyment.

BTW, I apologize to the O.P. for taking your thread off target.
dsrussell is offline  
post #36 of 64 Old 08-14-2014, 03:04 PM
Member
 
smile's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 150
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 67 Post(s)
Liked: 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by dsrussell View Post
I believe that is correct. A ported sub will have a steep rolloff below the tuning port, while a sealed sub will have a more gradual rolloff, but with less output. One of the reasons ported subs are so popular is their ability to play loud at the lower frequencies, where a sealed sub would require better drivers, more powerful amplifiers and cost twice as much to get that output that is critical to our enjoyment.

BTW, I apologize to the O.P. for taking your thread off target.
Your digression has been helpful to me. Allow me to further digress:
5500 cf rectangular room. Music and movies. Bias to tight and controlled over the last lowest hz. Moderate listening levels. Considering a SVS SB13 Ultra for its smaller size as well as reputation. Might this be adequate/pleasing?
smile is offline  
post #37 of 64 Old 08-14-2014, 03:15 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
dsrussell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Corona, CA.
Posts: 5,778
Mentioned: 70 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2223 Post(s)
Liked: 3018
^^ I PM'd you.
dsrussell is offline  
post #38 of 64 Old 08-14-2014, 06:15 PM - Thread Starter
Member
 
WarpSpeed2013's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 67
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 32 Post(s)
Liked: 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by dsrussell View Post
I believe that is correct. A ported sub will have a steep rolloff below the tuning port, while a sealed sub will have a more gradual rolloff, but with less output. One of the reasons ported subs are so popular is their ability to play loud at the lower frequencies, where a sealed sub would require better drivers, more powerful amplifiers and cost twice as much to get that output that is critical to our enjoyment.

BTW, I apologize to the O.P. for taking your thread off target.
Not a problem. I'm learning a lot about subwoofers from this conversation!

It is making me consider a sealed sub more and more, just because I care more about tight, controlled bass than being loud at lower frequencies. But as you said before, both ported and sealed can be good, just depends on the sub and personal preferences.
WarpSpeed2013 is offline  
post #39 of 64 Old 09-06-2014, 10:42 PM
Member
 
AudioFyle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 58
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Liked: 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by WarpSpeed2013 View Post
Not a problem. I'm learning a lot about subwoofers from this conversation! It is making me consider a sealed sub more and more, just because I care more about tight, controlled bass than being loud at lower frequencies. But as you said before, both ported and sealed can be good, just depends on the sub and personal preferences.
Sealed sub + bang for the buck...these are your current best choices.

http://www.powersoundaudio.com/colle...roducts/xs15se

http://reaction-audio.myshopify.com/...ered-subwoofer

http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/sealed-box/sb-2000

Any one of them would leave you with a big ole stupid grin on your face, depending on your music/home theater priorities. For mid bass "slam" - so vital to good music reproduction - any one of the three will deliver in spades. For low end grunt - more crucial to movie effects reproduction - I would personally give the edge to the XS-15se. Although in all fairness, I have not heard the RA sub. But the reviews indicate that it is not the ultimate in sub 20hz performance, hence my nod to the PSA sub in that regard. As I said, if music is your priority, any one of those three subs once properly dialed in will leave you deliriously happy.
AudioFyle is offline  
post #40 of 64 Old 10-23-2014, 05:32 PM - Thread Starter
Member
 
WarpSpeed2013's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 67
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 32 Post(s)
Liked: 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by AudioFyle View Post
Sealed sub + bang for the buck...these are your current best choices.

http://www.powersoundaudio.com/colle...roducts/xs15se

http://reaction-audio.myshopify.com/...ered-subwoofer

http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/sealed-box/sb-2000

Any one of them would leave you with a big ole stupid grin on your face, depending on your music/home theater priorities. For mid bass "slam" - so vital to good music reproduction - any one of the three will deliver in spades. For low end grunt - more crucial to movie effects reproduction - I would personally give the edge to the XS-15se. Although in all fairness, I have not heard the RA sub. But the reviews indicate that it is not the ultimate in sub 20hz performance, hence my nod to the PSA sub in that regard. As I said, if music is your priority, any one of those three subs once properly dialed in will leave you deliriously happy.
I was taking a bit of a break from researching subwoofers, but I've been thinking about it again lately and wanted to jump back into the thread. When I started this thread I was going for a maximum price of $600. After some discussion here, I decided to wait and save up a bit more and go for something around $800 or less.

I'll admit the XS-15se has gotten my attention. It sounds like it will be good for music while still having the low-end ability for movies and games. I haven't heard many people who own the XS-15se, most seem to own the XV-15se. I was originally keeping music as the top priority, although I'm realizing that as I play games and watch movies, I'm really missing having a subwoofer. That being said, just as before, clean and accurate bass is my top priority. If it sounds muddy with music or even home theater effects, I'll find myself turning it off.

I think my final list is the XS-15se, SB2000/PB2000, Rythmik LV12R and the HSU VTF-3 Mk4. I'm a little concerned that the LV12R might be a little underpowered for the 3,600 cubic foot room (3 rooms that open into each other). That being said, I live in an apartment so I can't be blasting any of these to wall shaking power anyway. I'm just looking something to quietly fill out the low end of my sound system.
WarpSpeed2013 is offline  
post #41 of 64 Old 10-23-2014, 05:41 PM - Thread Starter
Member
 
WarpSpeed2013's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 67
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 32 Post(s)
Liked: 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Vodhanel View Post
I think we have 1 XV15se b-stock left at $799. Same 5 year warranty, 30 day trial, free shipping both ways, etc.

Reaction Audio is another great option too.

http://reaction-audio.myshopify.com/...ered-subwoofer

That is a lot of subwoofer for $799..

And this seems very hard to beat for $499

http://reaction-audio.myshopify.com/...ered-subwoofer

Start with one at $499 and I bet Jeremy would discount a little on a second one down the road if you felt the need. Dual subs often = smoothing, more accurate bass at the seating position(s) too.

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio
Thanks for the advice! I was looking around the ReactionAudio site, it seems the models have changed, but they still look good.

I've also heard great things about both the PSA XV-15se and the PSA XS-15se, but I haven't found much that describes how the two differ in sound. If music is a top priority would you recommend the XS-15se over the XV-15se?
WarpSpeed2013 is offline  
post #42 of 64 Old 10-23-2014, 09:18 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
JimWilson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Somewhere in New Joisey
Posts: 6,639
Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1263 Post(s)
Liked: 1560
Quote:
Originally Posted by WarpSpeed2013 View Post
I'll admit the XS-15se has gotten my attention. It sounds like it will be good for music while still having the low-end ability for movies and games. I haven't heard many people who own the XS-15se, most seem to own the XV-15se.

I've heard the XS-15se. Check out this link for my take.

If you take yourself too seriously, expect me to do the exact opposite
JimWilson is offline  
post #43 of 64 Old 10-24-2014, 06:24 PM
Member
 
bltoe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 16
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Useful advice in this thread, thanks everyone!
bltoe is offline  
post #44 of 64 Old 10-22-2016, 09:20 AM - Thread Starter
Member
 
WarpSpeed2013's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 67
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 32 Post(s)
Liked: 17
So it has been over 2 years since I started this thread, and I still don't have a subwoofer! In my defense I was in the process of moving.

I was wondering if any of the recommendations have changed in the last few years. I'm still using a home theater system with five Athena bookshelf speakers.

1) I do not want to add muddy or boomy bass because I love the clean accuracy of just using bookshelf speakers for music. So I want clean accurate bass from any subwoofer.
2) My use is split probably 60/40 between music and movies/gaming. Although I still prefer accurate bass over room shaking bass. I've been using bookshelf speakers for the last five years, so any subwoofer will probably be an improvement in adding low end.
3) My room is approximately 350 sq feet (living room and dining room) with 8.5 foot ceilings. So that comes out to just shy of 3,000 cubic feet. The kitchen also attaches to this through a small doorway and is not included in this calculation.
4) Budget as under $600. The lower the better, $600 is the highest end and will take me a bit longer to save up for.

With these requirements I was looking at (in order): Rhythmik L12, the Rhythmik LV12R, SVS SB1000, Outlaw M8, HSU VTF2 (MK4/5).
WarpSpeed2013 is offline  
post #45 of 64 Old 10-22-2016, 10:25 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
JimWilson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Somewhere in New Joisey
Posts: 6,639
Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1263 Post(s)
Liked: 1560
Quote:
Originally Posted by WarpSpeed2013 View Post
3) My room is approximately 350 sq feet (living room and dining room) with 8.5 foot ceilings. So that comes out to just shy of 3,000 cubic feet. The kitchen also attaches to this through a small doorway and is not included in this calculation.
4) Budget as under $600. The lower the better, $600 is the highest end and will take me a bit longer to save up for.

With these requirements I was looking at (in order): Rhythmik L12, the Rhythmik LV12R, SVS SB1000, Outlaw M8, HSU VTF2 (MK4/5).
With a room that size my vote would be for the LV12R.

If you take yourself too seriously, expect me to do the exact opposite
JimWilson is offline  
post #46 of 64 Old 10-22-2016, 11:13 AM
Advanced Member
 
Ted Sheckler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Utah
Posts: 608
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 266 Post(s)
Liked: 185
VTF 2.5. http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-2mk5.html

📺 Samsung (PN51F8500)
📻 Yamaha (RX-V475)
🎶 SVS (PRIME BS+CC)

🔊 SVS (PB-1000)
SVS (PC12-NSD)
🎮 PS4□Xbox One 2.5TB
Ted Sheckler is online now  
post #47 of 64 Old 10-22-2016, 12:44 PM - Thread Starter
Member
 
WarpSpeed2013's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 67
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 32 Post(s)
Liked: 17
Thanks! I was leaning towards the LV12R since they seem to pride themselves on accuracy. I'll take another look at the HSU.

$600 really is my target price, but if I could stretch my budget to $800, what would the recommendations be? SVS SB2000? Or would the HSU and Rythmik still be a better choice? I'm probably going to stick with the under $600 budget though as I have some other expenses coming up too (need a new laptop and TV).
WarpSpeed2013 is offline  
post #48 of 64 Old 10-22-2016, 05:39 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
bear123's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: PA
Posts: 4,978
Mentioned: 28 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1706 Post(s)
Liked: 2511
The Rythmik LV12R and Hsu VTF-2.5 would be your best options in the $600 price range. Choose the sub you like best based on looks, warranty, company, finish, features etc. They are both designed by extremely competent sub builders....in other words there won't be a discernible difference in sound quality imo.

If you decided to go with smaller sealed subs like the SB2000 or the L12, they should sound almost as good on music. They will have lower output and higher distortion at louder volumes but this will only matter if you listen loud enough to notice. Go this route if small size is more important to you than sound quality and performance.
cel4145 likes this.

Last edited by bear123; 10-22-2016 at 05:43 PM.
bear123 is offline  
post #49 of 64 Old 10-22-2016, 11:15 PM - Thread Starter
Member
 
WarpSpeed2013's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 67
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 32 Post(s)
Liked: 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by bear123 View Post
The Rythmik LV12R and Hsu VTF-2.5 would be your best options in the $600 price range. Choose the sub you like best based on looks, warranty, company, finish, features etc. They are both designed by extremely competent sub builders....in other words there won't be a discernible difference in sound quality imo.

If you decided to go with smaller sealed subs like the SB2000 or the L12, they should sound almost as good on music. They will have lower output and higher distortion at louder volumes but this will only matter if you listen loud enough to notice. Go this route if small size is more important to you than sound quality and performance.
I don't want to get into a "which material is best debate", but I noticed HSU and the lower-end Rythmik's use paper cones. Should I be concerned about durability? SVS and the higher-end Rythmik's use other materials I believe.
WarpSpeed2013 is offline  
post #50 of 64 Old 10-22-2016, 11:19 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
MIX_MASTER_ICE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 2,343
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1221 Post(s)
Liked: 1005
Quote:
Originally Posted by WarpSpeed2013 View Post
So it has been over 2 years since I started this thread, and I still don't have a subwoofer! In my defense I was in the process of moving.

I was wondering if any of the recommendations have changed in the last few years. I'm still using a home theater system with five Athena bookshelf speakers.

1) I do not want to add muddy or boomy bass because I love the clean accuracy of just using bookshelf speakers for music. So I want clean accurate bass from any subwoofer.
2) My use is split probably 60/40 between music and movies/gaming. Although I still prefer accurate bass over room shaking bass. I've been using bookshelf speakers for the last five years, so any subwoofer will probably be an improvement in adding low end.
3) My room is approximately 350 sq feet (living room and dining room) with 8.5 foot ceilings. So that comes out to just shy of 3,000 cubic feet. The kitchen also attaches to this through a small doorway and is not included in this calculation.
4) Budget as under $600. The lower the better, $600 is the highest end and will take me a bit longer to save up for.

With these requirements I was looking at (in order): Rhythmik L12, the Rhythmik LV12R, SVS SB1000, Outlaw M8, HSU VTF2 (MK4/5).
RBH I-12. $500 delivered to your door. Aluminum cone BTW.
MIX_MASTER_ICE is offline  
post #51 of 64 Old 10-23-2016, 12:43 AM - Thread Starter
Member
 
WarpSpeed2013's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 67
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 32 Post(s)
Liked: 17
I've never come across RBH in my research. Are they pretty good subs for music?
WarpSpeed2013 is offline  
post #52 of 64 Old 10-23-2016, 01:19 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
MIX_MASTER_ICE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 2,343
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1221 Post(s)
Liked: 1005
Quote:
Originally Posted by WarpSpeed2013 View Post
I've never come across RBH in my research. Are they pretty good subs for music?
RBH has been around for quite a while and make excellent speakers and subs. I've been very happy with my I-12 and listen to a lot of music. The I-12 can be used in 3 different configurations using the 3 rear ports (sealed, all open, 1 port plugged). For $500 it's the best bang for the buck I've come across in the lower price field. Beautiful curved cabinet with glossy finish in red burl or black. Aluminum cone with a curved front grille. Very classy looking.

Here's a video of the I-12 performance in a very large room, being done by Shane of RBH.

Last edited by MIX_MASTER_ICE; 10-23-2016 at 03:05 AM.
MIX_MASTER_ICE is offline  
post #53 of 64 Old 10-23-2016, 09:29 AM - Thread Starter
Member
 
WarpSpeed2013's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 67
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 32 Post(s)
Liked: 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by MIX_MASTER_ICE View Post
RBH has been around for quite a while and make excellent speakers and subs. I've been very happy with my I-12 and listen to a lot of music. The I-12 can be used in 3 different configurations using the 3 rear ports (sealed, all open, 1 port plugged). For $500 it's the best bang for the buck I've come across in the lower price field. Beautiful curved cabinet with glossy finish in red burl or black. Aluminum cone with a curved front grille. Very classy looking.
Great! Thanks for the review.

So the subwoofers I think I'm looking at in the $600 and less price range are:
-Rythmik LV12R
-HSU VTF-2 MK5
-RBH I-12


I also wanted to keep an "upgrade" list in case I can go up to $800. Would these be upgrades or would it be better to stick with the subs in the first list? Also, am I missing anything from the "upgrade" list?

Remember, accuracy and clean bass are more important over raw power for me.

Upgrade List ($800):
-SVS SB2000
-SVS PB2000
-Rythmik LVX12
-Rythmik L22
-VTF-3 MK5


I'm still likely to go with one closer to the $600 range, but in case I can splurge for something more expensive I want to make sure I have top choices in that category too.
WarpSpeed2013 is offline  
post #54 of 64 Old 10-23-2016, 09:43 AM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
cel4145's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 16,764
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2655 Post(s)
Liked: 2985
Well, if you do end up breaking your budget, push for one of these: https://www.powersoundaudio.com/products/15v

Your questions are answered: Speaker FAQ
Living room HT: Energy RC-50, Ascend Sierra Horizon w/RAAL, Ascend Sierra 1, PSB Imagine XA | PSA V1500 and CHT SS 18.1 | Denon X4200W | modified Dayton SA1000
Other rooms: CBM-170 SE | SVS SB-1000 | Audio-GD NFB-11 | Parasound Zamp | JBL LSR305
Headphone & Portable AKG K7XX | NAD HP50 | AKG K550 | Soundmagic E50 & E80 | DX50 | E12 | X1
cel4145 is offline  
post #55 of 64 Old 10-23-2016, 01:25 PM - Thread Starter
Member
 
WarpSpeed2013's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 67
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 32 Post(s)
Liked: 17
Ahhh, yes! I forgot about PSA! I'll add an 15s to the list of expanded budget options. I was thinking of going with their sealed option as past research showed it was a little better at music.

Although I think getting past $800 is even a lot for my expanded budget.
WarpSpeed2013 is offline  
post #56 of 64 Old 10-23-2016, 02:56 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
cel4145's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 16,764
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2655 Post(s)
Liked: 2985
Quote:
Originally Posted by WarpSpeed2013 View Post
Ahhh, yes! I forgot about PSA! I'll add an 15s to the list of expanded budget options. I was thinking of going with their sealed option as past research showed it was a little better at music.

Although I think getting past $800 is even a lot for my expanded budget.
You have to think about future value. Since it will likely prevent the inevitable upgraditis which would have you sell a 12" sub at considerable loss in order to buy the 15v in the future, you come out ahead
MIX_MASTER_ICE likes this.

Your questions are answered: Speaker FAQ
Living room HT: Energy RC-50, Ascend Sierra Horizon w/RAAL, Ascend Sierra 1, PSB Imagine XA | PSA V1500 and CHT SS 18.1 | Denon X4200W | modified Dayton SA1000
Other rooms: CBM-170 SE | SVS SB-1000 | Audio-GD NFB-11 | Parasound Zamp | JBL LSR305
Headphone & Portable AKG K7XX | NAD HP50 | AKG K550 | Soundmagic E50 & E80 | DX50 | E12 | X1
cel4145 is offline  
post #57 of 64 Old 10-23-2016, 03:46 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
MIX_MASTER_ICE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 2,343
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1221 Post(s)
Liked: 1005
Quote:
Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post
You have to think about future value. Since it will likely prevent the inevitable upgraditis which would have you sell a 12" sub at considerable loss in order to buy the 15v in the future, you come out ahead
This is sound and proven true advice. However, getting one capable sub for $500 (I-12), then getting a second one later, nets you increased SPL AND smoother frequency response. I do have to laugh a bit about starting out wanting a sub for $500 then quickly shifting to considering a $950 sub. The budget ladder seems to often extend longer and longer when you visit this forum.
cel4145 likes this.
MIX_MASTER_ICE is offline  
post #58 of 64 Old 10-23-2016, 03:56 PM - Thread Starter
Member
 
WarpSpeed2013's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 67
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 32 Post(s)
Liked: 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by MIX_MASTER_ICE View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post
You have to think about future value. Since it will likely prevent the inevitable upgraditis which would have you sell a 12" sub at considerable loss in order to buy the 15v in the future, you come out ahead
This is sound and proven true advice. However, getting one capable sub for $500 (I-12), then getting a second one later, nets you increased SPL AND smoother frequency response. I do have to laugh a bit about starting out wanting a sub for $500 then quickly shifting to considering a $950 sub. The budget ladder seems to often extend longer and longer when you visit this forum.
Yeah, that's why I hestitated to ask about the $800 options. In reality I'm looking at some other big electronics purchases in the next 12 months and if I don't want to wait another 2-3 years for a subwoofer I really should stick to the $500 price point. I just wanted to have a "next step up" list just in case.

My last subwoofer was a $100 Sony that I stopped using because the bookshelf speakers actually produced more accurate bass than that subwoofer. So honestly any of these will be an amazing upgrade.

So long story short is I'm likely going with my $500ish list, but I always like to research what's one step above.

Thanks for all your help everyone!

Any other comments on if I should have reservations about the durability of paper cones?
WarpSpeed2013 is offline  
post #59 of 64 Old 10-23-2016, 04:16 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
cel4145's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 16,764
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2655 Post(s)
Liked: 2985
Quote:
Originally Posted by WarpSpeed2013 View Post
My last subwoofer was a $100 Sony that I stopped using because the bookshelf speakers actually produced more accurate bass than that subwoofer. So honestly any of these will be an amazing upgrade.

So long story short is I'm likely going with my $500ish list, but I always like to research what's one step above.
The $500 subs recommended in this thread will be far better than the Sony. Given what you have just said, go the route MIX_MASTER_ICE described. You can buy a second $500 sub after you get your other equipment and have another upgrade again

Your questions are answered: Speaker FAQ
Living room HT: Energy RC-50, Ascend Sierra Horizon w/RAAL, Ascend Sierra 1, PSB Imagine XA | PSA V1500 and CHT SS 18.1 | Denon X4200W | modified Dayton SA1000
Other rooms: CBM-170 SE | SVS SB-1000 | Audio-GD NFB-11 | Parasound Zamp | JBL LSR305
Headphone & Portable AKG K7XX | NAD HP50 | AKG K550 | Soundmagic E50 & E80 | DX50 | E12 | X1
cel4145 is offline  
post #60 of 64 Old 10-23-2016, 04:27 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
MIX_MASTER_ICE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 2,343
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1221 Post(s)
Liked: 1005
If you are worrying about the treated paper cone of the LV12R, don't sweat it. A lot of subs use treated paper cones and Rythmik has proven to make good stuff, even their lesser priced line.
MIX_MASTER_ICE is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply Subwoofers, Bass, and Transducers

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off