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Looking for recs ~$500 for music in small room

Hey all,

I'm looking for a sub to add to my system. I currently have a set of Paradigm Studio 20's and a CC 350 paired with an older Yamaha RX-2600 7.1 receiver. I also have older ADP 170 surrounds but they're not hooked up as I don't have a good way to run wire to them in this particular room.

I have been using the 8" sub that came with my (now retired) Mirage Nanosats, but it leaves a lot to be desired. I'm looking to replace the sub now and possibly the receiver around the holidays - receiver hasn't seemed a priority because I do mainly music listening, I haven't had the need for newer features. I do about 75% music listening and 25% movies.

My room is about 1700 cubic ft, with doorway openings on both sides of the back of the room, but no "open concept" sort of deal where there is a lot of open space/air.

Does anyone have any recommendations in the $500 range for my needs? There is a possibility that I move to a bigger house in the next year, so I want something that will be good in this room but also may be good in a bigger room, even if I have to double it and go with a dual setup.

Something that recently caught my eye is the SVS SB12-NSD that is on special at the SVS outlet. I know it's a bit over the $500 range I discussed, but I realize the difference in a couple hundred, given how long I am likely to have this, is sort of negligible.

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The SB12 NSD is probably the best subwoofer you can get for music until you're ready to spend at least double or triple the money on a Rythmik or SVS's Ultra.
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As LowerFE indicated, the SB12 NSD may be your best bet. Others to look at near (or at) your price range: SVS SB-1000, SVS PB-1000, Reaction Audio BPS-212 (dual opposing-12 inch drivers), Hsu VTF-1 Mk2 or the VTF-2 Mk4 (just outside your budget), Outlaw LFM-1 (you just missed the sale, they are now just outside your budget). Call each manufacturer and ask questions. SVS provides free shipping both ways during their 45-day audition period, and Reaction Audio one-way free shipping during their 30-day trial period. Not sure about Outlaw, so check.
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The SB12 would work great in a small room like yours, and it would be a fantastic upgrade over your Mirage sub. See this review: http://www.audioholics.com/subwoofer...-nsd-subwoofer
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I talked to one of the guys at SVS and they came away recommending the PB-1000. Any thoughts on that? I might give it a try to see how I like it. Seems to be a good combo between size and output.
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For the price, it's an excellent sub. I think the SB12 would have the edge for music in SQ, although the difference between it and the PB-1000 would not be that great. If you can close your doors to the room, the SB12 would likely have more than enough output unless you are a crazy basshead

The PB-1000 would have the edge for movies with its deeper extension and would have more max output. Thus for movies, the deeper extension--its ability to better produce some of the low end effects--would (for me) negate the slight advantage the SB12 would have in SQ. If you can't close the doors and seal the room, perhaps the extra output of the PB-1000 would be worthwhile.

I have the Mirage Prestige S10, their flagship 10" subwoofer, essentially the same sub as the Energy VSW10 (MSRP $1099)--Mirage and Energy have the same parent company and reuse sub designs between them. My SVS SB-1000 has better SQ and probably similar low end extension. The Prestige S10 *might* have better max output (hard to say). The SB12 would be even better in SQ and max output than my Mirage Prestige. So I feel confidant when I say that either the SB12 or PB-1000 is a very significant upgrade over the Mirage Nanosat 8" 75 watt subwoofer where you should be very happy with the results.

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I feel like this place is the absolute devil! I have been spending all day reading and now I'm more confused than ever. I'm thinking of extending my budget to the $800 range, opening myself up to the PB 2000 from SVS as well as a host of other options. How does this one stack up? Other options in that $500-800 range that make good sense? Ideally, I am still aiming under $700. Will any/all of these shake my 1700 ft^3 room as well as provide refined musical performance?
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DT Fan: LOL Welcome to AVS . Extending your budget opens a whole new can of worms. At that price point I'd look into PSA XS15se, a couple of different Reaction Audio subs, Outlaw, and yes, SVS. It gives you a lot more to consider, and you really need to take the time and consider those choices. Review each manufacturer's website and ask questions (many have live talk on their websites during business hours, or call, or email). And yes, many of these will shake things up pretty good.
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DT Fan: LOL Welcome to AVS . Extending your budget opens a whole new can of worms. At that price point I'd look into PSA XS15se, a couple of different Reaction Audio subs, Outlaw, and yes, SVS. It gives you a lot more to consider, and you really need to take the time and consider those choices. Review each manufacturer's website and ask questions (many have live talk on their websites during business hours, or call, or email). And yes, many of these will shake things up pretty good.
I agree. I think you could get a little more room shaking volume by going with the Rythmik LV12R. Not hard for a sub to perform in a 1700 cubic ft room.

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I agree. I think you could get a little more room shaking volume by going with the Rythmik LV12R. Not hard for a sub to perform in a 1700 cubic ft room.
Will I have issues with the rear-ported LV12R if it is near a wall? I wasn't sure if it would push a lot of air right at the wall.

My ideal right now might be the SVS PB-2000. I missed one of the outlet specials with no damage last night at $749, kicking myself for not jumping on that. My initial concerns with the $500 price range are related to potentially not enough output for my liking. I have a feeling, though, that basically anything I buy internet direct I will fall in love with, so I should just bite the bullet.

It seems like the list is now:

SVS PB-1000
Rythmik LV12R
Outlaw Audio LFM-1 EX
SVS SB-2000
SVS PB-2000

I have changed my criteria from "tight musical bass" to "tight musical bass with the ability to occasionally rumble my stomach in a 1700 ft^3 room".

Bah decisions, decisions.
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Will I have issues with the rear-ported LV12R if it is near a wall? I wasn't sure if it would push a lot of air right at the wall.

My ideal right now might be the SVS PB-2000. I missed one of the outlet specials with no damage last night at $749, kicking myself for not jumping on that. My initial concerns with the $500 price range are related to potentially not enough output for my liking. I have a feeling, though, that basically anything I buy internet direct I will fall in love with, so I should just bite the bullet.
People say different amounts, but I think if you have 6" of clearance it should be fine.

But yeah. You should probably stop worrying. I'd say go with the 12" ported subs since they have the maximum output. In comparison to your Mirage sub, any of them should be like going from a 50cc moped to a 700cc motorcycle. Or think .22lr pistol vs. .357 magnum

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Will I have issues with the rear-ported LV12R if it is near a wall? I wasn't sure if it would push a lot of air right at the wall.

My ideal right now might be the SVS PB-2000. I missed one of the outlet specials with no damage last night at $749, kicking myself for not jumping on that. My initial concerns with the $500 price range are related to potentially not enough output for my liking. I have a feeling, though, that basically anything I buy internet direct I will fall in love with, so I should just bite the bullet.

It seems like the list is now:

SVS PB-1000
Rythmik LV12R
Outlaw Audio LFM-1 EX
SVS SB-2000
SVS PB-2000

I have changed my criteria from "tight musical bass" to "tight musical bass with the ability to occasionally rumble my stomach in a 1700 ft^3 room".

Bah decisions, decisions.
In that price range, I would also consider a Hsu VTF3 mk3. $740 shipped at the moment, and can keep up with a SVS PB2000 easy. Its Q control and support for a sealed mode will let you dial it in a small room easily. I would scratch the Outlaw off the list, as it is essentially an older version of the VTF3 which doesn't do deep bass as well. The Outlaw is good when on sale, however when the sale is off, the VTF3 is clearly a better choice. I would scratch the PB1000 off the list, it will not be in the league of these others.
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I feel like this place is the absolute devil! I have been spending all day reading and now I'm more confused than ever. I'm thinking of extending my budget to the $800 range, opening myself up to the PB 2000 from SVS as well as a host of other options. How does this one stack up? Other options in that $500-800 range that make good sense? Ideally, I am still aiming under $700. Will any/all of these shake my 1700 ft^3 room as well as provide refined musical performance?
Yea, whenever you set a budget and ask for help on here, atleast double it. lol
I asked about adding another SVS sub and ended up being convinced into DIY route. Now 2 18"s later and almost 20ft3 of ported boxes and 3k watts of power and 4 bass shakers and another plate amp for those. . . . . yea budget has been blown a long time ago. I started with wanting to spend $450 on another useds SVS . hahahahha

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Since you mentioned music, I would look at the Rythmik Servo suibwoofers.
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I think I'm down to the Rythmik and the PB-2000. I know different price ranges. The warranty, service/support, and proximity (SVS is in Central OH, I'm in Western PA) keep me thinking I would be happier with the SVS. And the 45 day trial no questions asked is pretty appealing, too.

I think I am trying to talk myself into spending more money!

Any concerns about the paper cone woofer in the Rythmik vs. the Aluminum woofer in the PB-2000 and others in the sub $800 price range which also use aluminum?
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No concerns. Many high end drivers are paper cones.
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I bit the bullet and ordered an outlet model PB-2000. The 45 day audition period is what sold me, I'm fearing that I am underestimating how big this thing will feel in my room, and may step down to a sealed 12" model from the ported 12".
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I bit the bullet and ordered an outlet model PB-2000. The 45 day audition period is what sold me, I'm fearing that I am underestimating how big this thing will feel in my room, and may step down to a sealed 12" model from the ported 12".

The PB 2000 is a fantastic sub! I noticed a huge musical difference between it and the PB-1000 I used to have. It sounds great in my 960 cubic foot spare bedroom. I'm mostly a movie guy, so I wanted ported, but I was seriously impressed with the PB-2000s musical performance. I got a PB 13 now that im trying out, but it has to go back. The PB-2000 is my main sub and its great. If you don't like it or its too big, send it back. That's how SVS hooked me initially too haha I cant speak on any of the sealed options you proposed since I haven't heard them. I say its good to start with the company that its really no risk at all to try, and if you don't like it, move on. I'll be surprised if you don't like the way it sounds though. It is pretty large. Good luck!

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