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My sub shake down

I am in the decision making phase of buying a new subwoofer. My current setup consist of a Denon AVR X3000 polk monitor 65t fronts, polk monitor 15c center, 4 polk rci80 in ceiling to make up front height and surrounds with a PSW505 sub all in an open room around 3200 cubic feet. The Polk PSW505 just isn't satisfying me. I been looking at Sunfire, Velodyne, SVS and Power Sound subs. I'm not quite sold on a Sunfire I read they can be finicky and difficult to position in a room. So that leaves me with the Velodyne Impact 12, SVS PB2000 and Power Sound XS30se. I don't think the impact 12 is in the same league as the other two but I looked at it.

So here is where you guys come in, which one these subs would best go with system without over power everything else? I mainly Watch movies btw.

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You're kidding, right? Obviously, the XS30se. You can always turn it down.
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The SVS wizard suggested their PB2000. So that kind of thinking the XS30 may be too much. I've also read a lot of good things about SVS customer service. I've read in SVS owner thread a lot but haven't made my to the Power Sound thread yet to know about their CS. But I still have a lot of reading to do. I can't seem to find any YouTube reviews of the XS30.
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I own both SVS (SB13-Ultra) and PSA (XS30) subs. The customer service is absolutely top notch for both companies. Both have 5-year unconditional warranties that are transferrable, and both have free shipping both ways (PSA temporarily during their summer promotion). Can't go wrong with either, but the XS30se is a lot more sub than the PB-2000 (and should be because it is costlier).

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Price is the real hesitation I'm having over XS30 I just don't want buyers remorse from dropping the $1250 on it if the PB2000 would get the job done. I was trying to build a decent budget HT and I'm already wishing I had got the Denon X4000 for the Audyssey xt32 now that I'm looking at bigger and better subs but I can always run a REW or miniDSP.
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You want as much sub as you can afford. Trust me, and everyone else who has spent anytime chasing the proverbial white rabbit. If the PSA XS30SE is in your budget, buy it. Also, have you looked into Reaction Audio? If you haven't, you should. I know it adds another sub to your list, but I've read nothing but great things; here is a link to the Reaction thread. I would browse it before making a final decision. Nothing at all against PSA or SVS, but I promise you want to get the most for your money, and right now, outside of DIY, it's Reaction Audio.
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Rowan thanks for the advice I'm open to other suggestions and will have to look at RA.
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Well there are other less expensive choices from several manufacturers. PSA has the XS15se and the XV15se. There are a couple of very interesting subs from Reaction Audio. However, I'm not, by any means, saying that you should dismiss the PB-2000. It's a great sub and reasonably priced. Just know that there are others to look at before making your final decision.

If we don't do our homework, we may have regrets after we purchase something. I've never had the least bit of regret in my decisions on speakers, electronic equipment or subwoofers. But I researched and auditioned, auditioned and auditioned. I'm a happy camper, and if you do your homework, you will be too.
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The RA PS215x seems like it may be a good candidate.
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The RA PS215x seems like it may be a good candidate.

I have the baby version the 215, and it plays so loud in a 20x15x20 living room, open to a kitchen and dining room, that it will hurt my ears and shake the windows in the back bedrooms. The 215x will be all you need, trust me.
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I have the baby version the 215, and it plays so loud in a 20x15x20 living room, open to a kitchen and dining room, that it will hurt my ears and shake the windows in the back bedrooms. The 215x will be all you need, trust me.

Which amp do you have on the 215x 500w or 1000w. I do think I would prefer the ported box with the 1000w amp on it. I do wish Reaction offered other veneer options. But it will be hiding in the corner.
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Jeremy just told me that they will be offering a piano black finish to the PS 215X very soon.
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I was thinking something along the lines of a cherry wood grain because my towers are a cherry veneer but may prove to be hard to match so a black may not be so bad.
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Go with black. Matching your cherry will be difficult. Once you get your sub, do the sub crawl to find the optimal location.

Also, I had piano gloss speakers for almost 12 years. Won't ever do that again. I love the black satin of my Klipsch, so much easier to keep looking clean.
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Which amp do you have on the 215x 500w or 1000w. I do think I would prefer the ported box with the 1000w amp on it. I do wish Reaction offered other veneer options. But it will be hiding in the corner.

I have a BPS-215 not the 215x. It had the Dayton 1000 watt plate on it. If you get the 215x you'll be using 1000 watts and 60 pounds worth of drivers. I would check your foundation
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I have a BPS-215 not the 215x. It had the Dayton 1000 watt plate on it. If you get the 215x you'll be using 1000 watts and 60 pounds worth of drivers. I would check your foundation

My house is on a slab so I'm sure my neighbor will feel that sub hit. I just ready to feel the bass myself. I am hoping to get some frequencies below 20hz. I've watched the Wolverine a couple times now and can tell I'm missing a lot of bass response with opening scene when the nuke goes off. The PSW 505 doesn't have the balls to handle that scene properly.
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My house is on a slab so I'm sure my neighbor will feel that sub hit. I just ready to feel the bass myself. I am hoping to get some frequencies below 20hz. I've watched the Wolverine a couple times now and can tell I'm missing a lot of bass response with opening scene when the nuke goes off. The PSW 505 doesn't have the balls to handle that scene properly.
If you want loud, chest rattling levels at 20hz ported will be your answer. Try the pv-15x if still considering reaction audio.
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Obviously one will get a lot more vibration on a floor that has a wood subfloor on top of floor joists. That being said, I get surprising vibration from both of my subs, and they are on a concrete slab (carpeting for one sub, laminate floor for the other). How much vibration is enough? Who knows, but I've had to secure a lot of wall art and paintings (and track down numerous rattles throughout the house) since getting these subs.
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Check out Rythmik Servo subwoofers specially the FV15HP
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My sub shake down

So I've got my choice narrowed down to two now. One is the Rythmik FV15hp and the other is a passive version of the Reaction Audio PV15x paired with an iNuke NU1000dsp.
I think the RA plus iNuke would certainly be loud and everyone says the Rythmik is super efficient so the output maybe about the same. Thoughts?
However output isn't completely my main concern. I also want the best sounding sound also like low frequency response and distortion, preferably the lower the better. Either sub would be connected to my Denon AVR X3000 with audessy XT. If I understand how the direct servo works it's supposed to do some room correction on its own, right? And the iNuke has a PC interface DSP which allows for its own calibration of the RA PV15x but to set that correctly would I need extra equipment like a MiniDSP and Umik which I don't understand but that's its own issue? Maybe that equipment is needed for both to be properly calibrated for my room? Or will the Rythmik paired with Audessy give me all the room correction and calibration I need?
I'm not sure if I've already stated in this or not but my room is 20x23x8.

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We can certainly build just about anything in our 15" lineup as passive, so that is not a problem. It's as easy as not making the cutout for the plate amp before going to paint.

Although it is not that hard to learn, If you are not experienced with REW or programming DSP I am not sure that going with an amp with all those DSP programming options will serve you well?
Besides, the SPA 1000 has PEQ on it and it is fairly easy to use. And no fan.
Fairly "plug and play". It is a nice even match for the driver and gets just close to the edge of maxing the nearly 3" of peak to peak travel without over-driving it.

The PV-15x is a 4 ohm load. I think you would end up only using one side of the I-nuke amplifier thus not getting the full 1000w. I do not believe the Behringer can handle 4 ohms in bridged mono?
Maybe I am wrong?

Most of the guys I have done passive versions of our subs for have bought duals or quads.
In those cases, it makes a lot of sense to have the amps outboard into a rack with all the other dedicated gear.

Per DSP, call me crazy but I am still from the old school of thought that you want to try to get response as good as you can get it with the gear and placement choices and room acoustics first? Then, if there are some response issues that need to be addressed...THEN you break out the eq. Seems the new mindset is to hook up your new gear and immediately get out the mic, run auto eq (Audyssey etc) or REW and go nuts eq-ing everything from go.

It's like getting your steak and dousing it with seasoning and steak sauce out of habit before even tasting it.








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So I've got my choice narrowed down to two now. One is the Rythmik FV15hp and the other is a passive version of the Reaction Audio PV15x paired with an iNuke NU1000dsp.
I think the RA plus iNuke would certainly be loud and everyone says the Rythmik is super efficient so the output maybe about the same. Thoughts?
However output isn't completely my main concern. I also want the best sounding sound also like low frequency response and distortion, preferably the lower the better. Either sub would be connected to my Denon AVR X3000 with audessy XT. If I understand how the direct servo works it's supposed to do some room correction on its own, right? And the iNuke has a PC interface DSP which allows for its own calibration of the RA PV15x but to set that correctly would I need extra equipment like a MiniDSP and Umik which I don't understand but that's its own issue? Maybe that equipment is needed for both to be properly calibrated for my room? Or will the Rythmik paired with Audessy give me all the room correction and calibration I need?
I'm not sure if I've already stated in this or not but my room is 20x23x8.

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