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10 hertz subwoofer

I'm fairly new to subwoofers and speakers so excuse me if my questions are a bit strange. I am currently looking for a subwoofer that is capable of playing down to 10 hertz. The reason it needs to be that low, is that the subwoofer has to be felt more than it has to be heard. The subwoofer should also be powerful enough to be heard/felt at about 10 meters when standing right in front of it. Does any of you guys have any experience with these kind of subwoofers?

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Budget?
200-300 Euros
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haha.

Forget it.
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haha.

Forget it.
Ok, what do you think that should be a minimum budget for these kind of subwoofers? As I said I'm new to this so I have no idea what these things would cost.
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A lot. Even dual SVS PB Ultra 13's ported two ports plugged aren't 10hz tune, and 10m distance is huge. You're looking at kW of power, or highly efficient designs, horn loaded, IB

My £1500 sub won't reach 10hz with any decent level of dB output, let alone from 10 meters away

Something like this

http://www.royaldevice.com/useless.htm

This "only" goes down to 14hz of course you'll have room gain by that's not actual subwoofer output.

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/F25_specs.html

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A lot. Even dual SVS PB Ultra 13's ported two ports plugged aren't 10hz tune, and 10m distance is huge. You're looking at kW of power, or highly efficient designs, horn loaded, IB

My £1500 sub won't reach 10hz with any decent level of dB output, let alone from 10 meters away

Something like this

http://www.royaldevice.com/useless.htm

This "only" goes down to 14hz of course you'll have room gain by that's not actual subwoofer output.

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/F25_specs.html
Ok, I'm beginning to understand that this will be more difficult than I thought. Thanks for your advice!
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The difficult part will be your choices. Most subs you can buy at brick and mortar stores don't go to 10hz. I honestly think you need to do some reading on this board first. I think SVS has distribution in Europe, although I'm honestly not sure. For you, diy or aiy (assemble it yourself) would probably be best. I'm guessing a budget of 1000-1500 euros should cover it. But, that's a shot in the dark.

To be more helpful, we need more info on room size, any restrictions (like you live in an apartment or side by side, married). Also, you need to decide a limit on what you're willing to spend.

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Looking at this sort of setup. That's about £10,000. Thing is they're still not ported to 10hz so have to multiples to make up for output.

http://s908.photobucket.com/user/ste..._9563.jpg.html

http://www.hometheatershack.com/foru...nd-norway.html

Compared to a true 10hz ported sub tune.
http://www.hometheatershack.com/foru...21-driver.html

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200-300 Euros
Bass shakers and a plate amp is all you will get for tactile feedback like that in that price range.

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They're not replacements for subwoofers. Wouldn't mind one, but only for the lowest say 5hz-20hz or so where SB Ultra 13 trails off.

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They're not replacements for subwoofers. Wouldn't mind one, but only for the lowest say 5hz-20hz or so where SB Ultra 13 trails off.
Sorry, I assumed he already had a sub of some sort and meant to couple with it.
I did not mean to replace a sub in any fashion

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You can tune a sub to 10 Hz, even with a dinky driver. You will need a extremely large enclosure and a very long port. Any sub tuned to 10 Hz is going to be necessarily huge. Maybe a big enough sonotube with a very long PVC pipe. It would be a hell of a sight anyway.
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You can tune a sub to 10 Hz, even with a dinky driver. You will need a extremely large enclosure and a very long port. Any sub tuned to 10 Hz is going to be necessarily huge. Maybe a big enough sonotube with a very long PVC pipe. It would be a hell of a sight anyway.
I just dont feel like the goal is realistic. Why 10hz at 10meters? Where did these numbers come from?

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Thanks all for the advice! After I did some thinking, I think it's best to delay this project until I got some more time/ money to work on it. Until that time I'll do some reading here on the forum to get to know more about subs and speakers.
Thanks anyway!
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Since you are in europe and european subwoofers generally suck, you'll need to buy NA subwoofers, so you will need about 5-8k euros for shipping and purchase.
I'd recommend quad UXL-18's powered by two inuke6000DSP's, and one hell of a shipping fee and taxes.

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Ok, what do you think that should be a minimum budget for these kind of subwoofers?
Add another digit to your budget, for one sub. With the size room you have you'll need at least two.

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Damn, I am building two 10hz ported subs for $900. Oh, you need power so maybe $1200 total. Should get you 118 dBs at 10hz outside at 1 meter. They are 24 cubes each though.
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Damn, I am building two 10hz ported subs for $900. Oh, you need power so maybe $1200 total. Should get you 118 dBs at 10hz outside at 1 meter. They are 24 cubes each though.
He is talking $300 at 10 meters and wants that kind of output. Lol
Whole diff game.
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Damn, I am building two 10hz ported subs for $900. Oh, you need power so maybe $1200 total. Should get you 118 dBs at 10hz outside at 1 meter. They are 24 cubes each though.
May I ask you wat brand of subwoofers you are using? My original budget was 200-300 for just one woofer. But around 1000 seems ok to me for the whole project though.
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If you can build a sub that is capable of going at 10hz at 10 meters I would love to see a picture. Thing is going to be an absolute beast.

At your original budget you're doing good to buy a sub that can play down to 20hz.
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May I ask you wat brand of subwoofers you are using? My original budget was 200-300 for just one woofer. But around 1000 seems ok to me for the whole project though.
Most likely DIY. Even then, quality drivers aren't cheap, and you'd probably want multiples.

http://www.hometheaterequipment.com/...b13-driver.jpg

That would probably be £300-500 alone, I bet.

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You can get cheap Stereo Integrity drivers if they plan on selling more for about $200. Also Dayton has some HO subs for around the same and then their Ultimax for about $279 I think. (all 18's I am reffering to)
You will be running multiples for sure.
Berhringer makes amps with DSP's. If you run 2 subs the 3000DSP is nice at $279. The 6000DSP is like $399 I believe.

Then factor in making boxes and time and wood. Another few hundred in supplies and cables and such.
DIY is deff cheaper, but it can add up quick. Esp for the fact you are overseas and shipping from the US on these heavy parts will be expensive.
Also plan on very large ported boxes. Sounds like you have the space, but keep that in mind. Mine are almost 10ft3 a piece. Some guys on here are running almost double that. It can get pretty rediculous quick

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I just bought 4 stereo integrity 18HT's. Each cabinet will have dual 18's. It would be better at 34 cubes but that is the space I have. An 8 inch round 36 inch long port tunes at 11.5hz which would get lots of 10hz output. The cheapest way is to build an IB with no enclosure at all. My two subs sim at 118 dBs at 10hz to compliment my ported wall up front which sims 123 dBs at 10hz but they are tuned to 6.5 hz. The best way to get more bass is to move closer to the subs as 10 meters is far, can you even see the screen from there?
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Plan on upping the budget and be prepared for some massive 34cf enclosures. You are going to need 4 of these and some serious amplification...

http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=system&id=8
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Plan on upping the budget and be prepared for some massive 34cf enclosures. You are going to need 4 of these and some serious amplification...

http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=system&id=8
INSANE!!!!!!!!
Those XXX 18's are like $2500 a piece retail arent they?

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Plan on upping the budget and be prepared for some massive 34cf enclosures. You are going to need 4 of these and some serious amplification...

http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=system&id=8
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INSANE!!!!!!!!
Those XXX 18's are like $2500 a piece retail arent they?
no they are about 960.00 each.


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The easy solution is this,
How loud at 10hz do you need? Is this in a room(30 feet away?) again how do you see the screen from 30 plus feet.
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After reading the comments it seems better to reduce the 10 meters to 5 meters (16 feet).
Also 15-20 Hz will probably be a more realistic frequency. I just want to feel the bass more than you can hear it. Maybe 10 Hz was a too high expectation. Thanks all of you!
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