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post #1 of 47 Old 07-23-2016, 04:53 PM - Thread Starter
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About to purchase my first sub after 5 years without!

Hey guys!

Im about to purchase my first subwoofer for my home theater! Ive been 5 years without one since I was living in an apartment, but ive since moved into a house and life is about to change I've had my eye on the a couple subwoofers from SVS - PB-2000, PB12-Plus, or PC12-Plus. Im also maybe considering another brand like Rythmic, maybe the FV15HP?

-My max budget is $1399 - which is honestly more than Id prefer to spend but im a believer of the "buy once, cry once" saying. Im willing to spend that extra bit to be happier in the long run.
-Size does matter, I live in Southern California and the houses are not that big. The PB12-Plus looks HUGE from the images ive been seeing as well as the demensions and that is the largest im willing to go.
-Room size - im not sure how to calculate the cubic feet but the dimensions are something like this: 15.5'W x 23'L x 8'H (dining area is behind couch). Listening Distance: 11.'
-Primary use is for home theater. Maybe 80% HT the rest is music and gaming.
-Listening habits - when I watch a movie I like to be around -16db (which is what my AVR displays, so maybe 85db?). The types of movies I like watching are mostly action movies and lots of Christopher Nolan, ie Interstellar, Dark Knight, etc. I want to be able to feel that chest impact but I wouldn't say im an extreme, ball splitting, bass-head person
-Appearance - I do really appreciate nice aesthetics. So its got to look good.
-Will probably buy either this week or next.

My current setup is a 5.0 set of Klipsch RF7ii, RC64ii, & RS62ii with a Pioneer Elite VSX-92TXH. I do use the MCACC but I dont think it eq's the sub except for distance and timing, I could be wrong. Ive never ran any measurements or anything because 1, I dont know how and 2 because I dont have the equipment or a laptop. I do plan on doing a sub crawl first though. As far as the choices I picked - the PB-2000 was what I was originally going to go with but im also worried it wont be enough, so enters the PB12-Plus. Both are almost the same size. Havent heard either of them in person. I also picked the cyclinder version because its the same spec as the 12-Plus but also its "smaller," even though it kind of makes up for it in height... its also $200 less then the PB12-Plus. I am open to suggestions and really look forward to hearing from you guys!
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5 Years without?! I went a month without and now that I have heard a real sub I dont think I can ever go back.

I would check out the Rythmik FVX15
http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages...ubs/fvx15.html

or the FV15HP,
http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages...bs/fv15hp.html


The HSU VTF-15H Mk2
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The HSU VTF-3 MK5
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The PSA V1500
http://www.powersoundaudio.com/products/v1500

I currently own Rythmik sub and ascend speakers and the customer service from them is top notch. I dont think you can go wrong with any of these subs.
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I'd vote for PSA. Made in the USA, awesome customer service, fast shipping and phenomenal sound.
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Your room is similar to mine. I would go dual PC-2000's, which would look very nice on either end of your front stage. You could also locate one on each wall flanking your couch. Just have to experiment to see where they work best, but I would go duals. Those would be $1500, but if you wait until Labor Day weekend, SVS will likely have a sale.
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With these Klipsch I see how you can go 5 years without subwoofer.
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I second the Rythmik FV15. SVS and Hsu are also good choices. I'd also recommend a pair, but you can always start with one and add a second later. I'd further suggest taking the time to properly position them: the room has a HUGE effect on the sound quality - it pays big time to experiment with different positions. Also consider corner bass traps to maximize bass response.
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Your room is almost the same dimension with mine. Mine is a 22.5 * 14.5 * 7.5 family room addition built off the kitchen.

For $1400, I would go with JTR Cap 118HT. JTR's other active subs are in the $2000 shipped category. So a JTR for $1450 or so shipped is CAPTIVATING. It is the current leader in output for subs <$1500. And because it is a JTR, sound quality is a given! Yes, it is big, but you know what they say... There is no replacement for displacement! You can read the review here: http://www.hometheatershack.com/foru...ht-review.html My Cap 1400 is its big brother. It is by far the best money well spend of my system.

Other top choices would be Rythmik FV15HP and PSA V1800.

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I'm with chucky, go with the cap 118 in that room and don't look back.

Isn't there also a new fv25hp from rythmik coming soon? Might be worth a look but idk how far they are from production or what the price will be...
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Now that I look the fv25 would most likely be out of budget considering what the fv15hp goes for. Scratch that
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Your room is 2852 cuft (multiply the three room dimensions together), pretty good size space. Is that sealed off or open to other areas? Subs see/use the whole space whereas your speakers are aimed at your MLP, so distance for the sub not so important as for speakers. I like the dual ported column idea, should help even out response in the room and provide good output. Or get a nice big sub, the JTR sounds nice if the appearance isn't an issue....then another of those later.
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The JTR is top of the food chain but HUGE. The Rythmik FV15HP while on sale for 1200.00 + shipping is a great option. The PSA V1800 is probably the best balance of size, cost, and performance.

That being said I agree with MMI that dual PC-2000's when on sale would make for a nice setup as well. I personally would never just have one sub if I had room for more. Dual subs sound much smoother then a single.
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Guys,

I am also in the same situation. RF7, RC62 & RF82(as rears). I watched 13 hrs last week. For a small room I ask that question to myself, do I need a sub. This RF7`s produce enough bass already.

So those who own same or similar setup does a sub (decent one = 1500 or above) makes any improvements? Do I notice any difference if I add a sub?
Money is not an issue but do I need do?

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Guys,

I am also in the same situation. RF7, RC62 & RF82(as rears). I watched 13 hrs last week. For a small room I ask that question to myself, do I need a sub. This RF7`s produce enough bass already.

So those who own same or similar setup does a sub (decent one = 1500 or above) makes any improvements? Do I notice any difference if I add a sub?
Money is not an issue but do I need do?


"Need" is a relative term in audio. Will a sub improve things? Absolutely. Actually 2-4 are recommended to smooth out the bass. You don't necessarily need to spend $1500 - Rythmik, Hsu, SVS and RSL all make great subs for less than that . If you watch lots of action/adventure movies and like bass, a properly positioned sub can make a high difference. In he end, it's your call..


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Make sense Healthnut. I would consider one just to try it out. May be look for a sale at September.

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Selecting a sub is just the first step. Positioning it is the next step and a very important one. Each room has its own characteristics, good and bad. The sub and the room interact together to become a bass system. There are tools to make this process much easier, like a microphone with spectrum analyzer and software, and/or bass traps and room treatments. A small position change can make a big difference. Sometimes the best position is right where you don't want it. Then a second sub can be used in an attempt to make up for bad positioning, with varying degrees of success. The second sub can actually complicate the positioning process. If the first sub/room combination has a huge positive resonance at some frequency, it is pretty hard to 'fix' without positioning it somewhere else. Sometimes a sub can be blamed for being a 'one-note wonder' when it really just poor positioning. But you have had a sub before so hopefully you know about this.
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One of the problems with the 125 pound ported subs is getting them positioned correctly. If you're athletic, and intend to be into the future, then ignore this comment.
But shoving/carrying/re-positioning/aiming a sub(s) multiple times over the first week or two of ownership, plus doing it again after they have broken in, may lead you to consider a lighter unit.
Sealed subs generally require less "Armstrong" and you may end up with better placement.
Personally, I like the rolloff better with sealed subs, but that's just me.
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One of the problems with the 125 pound ported subs is getting them positioned correctly. If you're athletic, and intend to be into the future, then ignore this comment.

But shoving/carrying/re-positioning/aiming a sub(s) multiple times over the first week or two of ownership, plus doing it again after they have broken in, may lead you to consider a lighter unit.

Sealed subs generally require less "Armstrong" and you may end up with better placement.

Personally, I like the rolloff better with sealed subs, but that's just me.


While this is generally true, my sealed Mariana 24" weighs something like 400 lbs!


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While this is generally true, my sealed Mariana 24" weighs something like 400 lbs!
The new Mariana 24 subs are only 210 lbs so you can use a much smaller forklift.
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Guys,

I am also in the same situation. RF7, RC62 & RF82(as rears). I watched 13 hrs last week. For a small room I ask that question to myself, do I need a sub. This RF7`s produce enough bass already.

So those who own same or similar setup does a sub (decent one = 1500 or above) makes any improvements? Do I notice any difference if I add a sub?
Money is not an issue but do I need do?

Hi,

You may think that the RF7's produce enough bass, but if you add a really good sub to your system, you will change your mind in a hurry. The RF7 is speced at about 30Hz. But the difference between a speaker that can do about 30Hz (or possibly a little less if the speaker specs aren't inflated, as many are) and a sub that can do 15Hz at meaningful volumes, is literally a night-and-day difference. I have six full-range speakers, and the largest ones go much lower than the RF7. They are great for music, but for movies, there is no comparison to true subs. Placement issues aside, subs are specifically designed for the low bass in movies (and 5.1 TV), and have larger drivers, cabinets, and dedicated amps, that can greatly outperform those in your speakers.

If you watched 13 hours last week, and money is not an issue, get a good sub, or two. You will be very glad you did!

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If you want to go really low, consider a Bag End infra-sub. They would make a great second sub since they will go lower than any other subs mentioned.

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I don't see why two SVS SB-2000 or PB-2000 subs wouldn't be able to handle that room with ease.
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You should look into sunfire HRS-12, it's a sealed sub so it will have tight clean bass and it will definitely fill your room and have bass that you feel. They are selling from $600-$800 right now. The other thing to look into is a product called Mini DSP, you run it between your preamp/receiver and the sub and it allows you to EQ your sub this will allow you have a much better experience and is also customizable. This will also allow you to run two subs through the mini dsp also.
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Why not one of the Klipsch 15" SWs? I have Cornwalls, an RC25 Center, and in wall Jamo surrounds, with one SW-115 in a 14x20 media room.
My favorite demo is the opening of Dark Knight. Have to roll off the gain or the teacups rattle in the kitchen downstairs.
And you could buy 3 within your budget. FIFTEEN inch drivers. Listen to current model. Don't think you would regret the purchase. I sure as he'll don't, and I only have one...
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The other thing to look into is a product called Mini DSP, you run it between your preamp/receiver and the sub and it allows you to EQ your sub this will allow you have a much better experience and is also customizable. This will also allow you to run two subs through the mini dsp also.
minidsp.com basic units like the 2x4 handle four subs easily enough. There are units that can handle more, too. minidsp.com
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The only problem you have with larger subs in a smaller room is that you really don't have the space to let the wave mature, don't get me wrong you definitely feel the bass but really hearing the fullness of the bass that you get with a smaller sub in a smaller room I believe is awesome.
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Also by getting more smaller subs you can achieve the same result while not losing the clear sharp bass
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The only problem you have with larger subs in a smaller room is that you really don't have the space to let the wave mature, don't get me wrong you definitely feel the bass but really hearing the fullness of the bass that you get with a smaller sub in a smaller room I believe is awesome.
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Also by getting more smaller subs you can achieve the same result while not losing the clear sharp bass
What does a smaller sub have to do with "maturing of a wave"....wtf is maturing of a wave? Do you understand the wavelengths of bass frequencies? How does a smaller sub have anything to do with a particular frequency's wavelength? How do small subs equate to clear sharp bass?
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What does a smaller sub have to do with "maturing of a wave"....wtf is maturing of a wave? Do you understand the wavelengths of bass frequencies? How does a smaller sub have anything to do with a particular frequency's wavelength? How do small subs equate to clear sharp bass?
I think he means you need to let the waves ripen on the vine for the best sound, and a larger sub in a small room will "pick" the wave too early. Wmf (wave maturation factor) is an often overlooked parameter (can calculate in WinISD) that makes sure the sub "pairs" well with the room.
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What I'm saying is sit an 15 or an 18 in a room and then sit a 10 or 12 in the same room. You will notice a different in the bass you actually hear. I understand wavelengths but have you ever noticed how you can hear a car with big subs coming down the road from blocks away and when it gets closer you hear it less.
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I'm just trying to give my opinion and help with a question. Not sure why you are attacking me, but you might want to go experience some things before you open your mouth
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