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need 10 hurtz what to buy, WAF

seems the jtr 4000 ulf will not pass the WAF ...
what's left ?
dual sealed something?
~3000
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seems the jtr 4000 ulf will not pass the WAF ...
what's left ?
dual sealed something?
~3000
Just out of curiosity, what is your room size and typical listening level? Are you absolutely sure that only 10Hz will do, because that can take a lot of subwoofage? The 4000 ULF is a low-frequency monster, and as Jeff suggested, his S2 is a smaller low frequency monster. But 10Hz, $3000, and WAF might be a pretty tough combination. As a practical matter, getting to the mid-teens is outstanding for most home theaters, and much better than commercial theaters can do. That might be a more feasible goal.

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If you are worried about WAF... Look to Funk Audio. I have 18.0c's myself (Funk's smallest production sub, they can make 15s too, but no cost or SQ benefit, just size, so not worth it imo) and they can play down to 10hz, plus the cabinets look great and are in furniture grade veneers that match my entertainment console.
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Many things can play 10 Hz...but how loud?
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This is my inroom response (not turned all the way up of course):



As to how loud?



This is the 18.0, the current 18.0c is ~2-3db less (the one listed on Data-Bass is an old totally different design).
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seems the jtr 4000 ulf will not pass the WAF ...
what's left ?
dual sealed something?
~3000
bull, just curious but why 10 hz? What do you have material wise that you need that much for? Is it specific for music? For movies you could get a tactical transducer, like a buttkicker that can possibly reach that. The amount of material to chase that low is not over abundant at this time to my knowledge. I have a buttkicker installed in my couch for lower LFE that my 3 subs don't hit.
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What's your room size? Sealed or open to other rooms?

Letting your wife choose premium finishes definitely helps with WAF… at least it did for me.
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I always recommend shooting for duals. I consider the following to be more wife friendly and ~$3000

Dual Rythmik Audio F25s

I love their sheer grills!
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Dual PSA S3000i




3 PSA S1500s


I have 2 PSA S1500s and 1 S3000i in a 3000ft³ hitting 10Hz >110dB at MLP.
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Many things can play 10 Hz...but how loud?
The B&W PV1D is rated to 7.5Hz +/-3dB...but for some reason there's no indication of what level that's at.
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Also, Salk can build you Rythmik F15s in any finish your wife desires.

http://salksound.com/model.php?model...k+15+Subwoofer

JTR and Funk are the best IMO but out of my budget at least.
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The B&W PV1D is rated to 7.5Hz +/-3dB...but for some reason there's no indication of what level that's at.
Yeah, besides...unless you actually measure it, you probably wont hear it somewhere below 20, so...they can just throw random number there and hope you are not smart.

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10 Hertz would make my head hurts
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Ask her to punch you ten times, that'll give you 10 hurtz.
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10 Hertz would make my head hurts

Bet it will make your dry wall hurt more...

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I always recommend shooting for duals. I consider the following to be more wife friendly and ~$3000

Dual Rythmik Audio F25s

I love their sheer grills!
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/attach...mentid=1486417

Dual PSA S3000i




3 PSA S1500s


I have 2 PSA S1500s and 1 S3000i in a 3000ft³ hitting 10Hz >110dB at MLP.
I have 4 psa subs... I hit 120dbs... when my mic clips.....LOL

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its not the veneer its the size ...
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seems the jtr 4000 ulf will not pass the WAF ...
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dual sealed something?
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On Data-Bass site http://www.data-bass.com/systems clicking on the column heading of 10 hz does indeed show one of the highest ranked commercial subwoofs that comes up after JTR 4000ULF is a dual sealed: the JTR Captivator S2.

The newly released Captivator 2400ULF (ported with Fb 14 hz) should be up there in 10 hz ranking too. Actually even a touch higher than S2 .

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its not the veneer its the size ...
I understand! But, you just can't get down to 10Hz, in any but the very smallest rooms, without either very large capable subs, or numerous capable subs, or both. You never have mentioned your room size, and even estimating the dimensions would help you to get more targeted advice. But, unless your room is very small, you would probably be much better advised to re-align your sights. Cap 1400's are not terribly large and will get you very good performance down to the low teens. If you need to go with subs even smaller than that, I'm just not quite sure what to recommend. How loud do you typically listen? Room size and listening level are both key attributes in determining appropriate subwoofer capacity.
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The Cap1400 is huge in the real world Mike, don't kid yourself.
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i have 2 cans and they sure sound good, but its not the same

room ~15x10x7? multipurpose with 1 door opening and a fireplace
i like to be turn it up to ?90-100db
currently have some K RP280 which are 43in tall and 16deep so thats kind of the tall & depth im looking at
i had 2 PSA xs15se in a smaller room and they were good but i could tell their limit.
i tried without sub but i cant do it any longer

cannga i couldnt find that chart you posted to see the HSU/SVS/PSA. Funk is pretty but likely $>JTR

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	12	$/db	16		20		$$$	avg $/db
4000ulf	112	 $31 	116	 $30 	119	 $29 	3459	 $30 
2400ulf	108	 $24 	112	 $23 	114	 $23 	2599	 $23 
218ht	100	 $25 	112	 $23 	117	 $22 	2549	 $23 
1400	96	 $21 	108	 $19 	113	 $18 	2059	 $20 
118ht			105	 $15 	110	 $14 	1539	 $14 
s2	100	 $32 	105	 $31 	112	 $29 	3249	 $31 
s1	95	 $22 	100	 $21 	107	 $20 	2134	 $21
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The Cap1400 is huge in the real world Mike, don't kid yourself.
If you want to go 18 port, there is no other logical way besides the approximate 22x20 footprint. Cut of 1-2 inches here sacrifices performance without gaining much smaller footprint.

Height of 30 is par for the course for this performance level, and YMMV but to me height tends to be the most available space in typical hometheaters.

30 height is also ideal IMHO because less height means less performance, and more height becomes imposing as typical listeners' ear and eye height is at 36".

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The Cap1400 is huge in the real world Mike, don't kid yourself.
I have probably been out of the real world for too long, with respect to HT. But, in my defense, he did start-off by mentioning the 4000 ULF.
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need 10 hurtz what to buy, WAF

Is 10 Hz an absolute requirement, or just a number you picked to represent "really really low?" My Hsu VTF-2 will reach down to 16 Hz, it's not massive but it's end table-sized. I agree with others, WAF vs. 10 Hz is never going to work. :}


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cannga i couldnt find that chart you posted to see the HSU/SVS/PSA. Funk is pretty but likely $>JTR

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	12	$/db	16		20		$$$	avg $/db
4000ulf	112	 $31 	116	 $30 	119	 $29 	3459	 $30 
2400ulf	108	 $24 	112	 $23 	114	 $23 	2599	 $23 
218ht	100	 $25 	112	 $23 	117	 $22 	2549	 $23 
1400	96	 $21 	108	 $19 	113	 $18 	2059	 $20 
118ht			105	 $15 	110	 $14 	1539	 $14 
s2	100	 $32 	105	 $31 	112	 $29 	3249	 $31 
s1	95	 $22 	100	 $21 	107	 $20 	2134	 $21
Hi that chart is by some nutty JTR basshead (@chucky7) so only has JTR data.
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