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Review: SVS Sound 16" PB16-Ultra Ported 1500W Subwoofer

Here's a review of the mighty SVS PB16-Ultra 16" ported sub featuring multiple port modes and app-programmable DSP plus a 8" voice coils pushing the 16" driver with 1500 watts of continuous power on tap.

Click the link to read the review: http://www.avsforum.com/svs-pb16-ult...woofer-review/


The SVS app makes setting up and using the PB16-Ultra easy.
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Thanks for the PB review. All I've seen in showrooms and on their facebook page is the SB16 and that's not what I'm interested in.
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Mark...I am confused.


" I use twin JL F112s as my bass reference, and it’s clear that the single PB16-Ultra can out-muscle that duo (not that it makes the F112s any less awesome, they are true “luxury” subs)."


"Once I got the subs dialed in, I found it was impossible to hear the difference between the single PB16-Ultra and the twin JLs."

Not trying to be argumentative but which is it?
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Mark...I am confused.


" I use twin JL F112s as my bass reference, and it’s clear that the single PB16-Ultra can out-muscle that duo (not that it makes the F112s any less awesome, they are true “luxury” subs)."


"Once I got the subs dialed in, I found it was impossible to hear the difference between the single PB16-Ultra and the twin JLs."

Not trying to be argumentative but which is it?
No contradiction there, the first comparison is regarding quantity of bass, the second pertains to perceived (subjective) sound quality.

Sure, there's a zone there where at infrasonic frequencies, the two F112s fall behind. But 99.9% of the time, there's no identifiable difference because either approach produces clean, tight bass down into the infrasonic realm.

People are gonna split hairs over a topic that's much simpler than the discussions make it out to be. Long story short, you get quantity and quality bass in the PB16-Ultra. The price you pay (aside from $2500) is the big box. The reward is tons of capability in the deep bass zone where most subs falter.
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Mark...I am confused.


" I use twin JL F112s as my bass reference, and it’s clear that the single PB16-Ultra can out-muscle that duo (not that it makes the F112s any less awesome, they are true “luxury” subs)."


"Once I got the subs dialed in, I found it was impossible to hear the difference between the single PB16-Ultra and the twin JLs."

Not trying to be argumentative but which is it?
If I googled correctly those two JLs are $6400/pair or more.

The PB16 is $2500 for one.

So seems like high praise for the PB16.

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Gotcha!

And from a price perspective. WOW...the SVS is even more impressive.
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we said the same thing!
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If I googled correctly those two JLs are $6400/pair or more.

The PB16 is $2500 for one.

So seems like high praise for the PB16.
The JLs auto-calibrate and are very compact, and even the Piano Gloss finish is smoother and glossier than what's on the SVS sub. But, you pay a serious premium for all that luxury.

But in the end it's simple physics, two compact sealed 12s (even with huge excursion) are not able to offer what a highly-optimized ported 16" sub can.

And yeah.. two PB16-Ultras also costs less, but believe me unless you have a large, dedicated room (or have your subs behind a screen) you'll likely notice the space two of these take up.

Anyhow, value judgments aside, the message was meant to be simple—this is top-quality bass you get from the PB16-Ultra. Truly.

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The JLs auto-calibrate and are very compact, and even the Piano Gloss finish is smoother and glossier than what's on the SVS sub. But, you pay a serious premium for all that luxury.

But in the end it's simple physics, two compact sealed 12s (even with huge excursion) are not able to offer what a highly-optimized ported 16" sub can.

And yeah.. two PB16-Ultras also costs less, but believe me unless you have a large, dedicated room (or have your subs behind a screen) you'll likely notice the space two of these take up.

Anyhow, value judgments aside, the message was meant to be simple—this is top-quality bass you get from the PB16-Ultra. Truly.
Yeah, my DD15 is actually to large in every way for my mid sized room and if it dies and can't be repaired, (which happened with the ULD15 before it), I'd likely get one 12" sealed servo sub from Rhythmik and if I thought I needed more I'd get a second.

The PB16 is substantially larger than my current sub so now way would that work for me but for those who can fit it in, as you say, seems like a bargain.

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Yeah, my DD15 is actually to large in every way for my mid sized room and if it dies and can't be repaired, (which happened with the ULD15 before it), I'd likely get one 12" sealed servo sub from Rhythmik and if I thought I needed more I'd get a second.

The PB16 is substantially larger than my current sub so now way would that work for me but for those who can fit it in, as you say, seems like a bargain.

Hmmm. I'd love to hear your DD15 sometime.....you know, since we're neighbors. I've had interest in that line before but have never heard them.

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So Mark,

When is Powersoft going to send their M-Force 40" sub with 13 KW amp your way? You seem to get stuck with the HEAVY stuff to huff around so time to go to the extreme! Throw in a Deep Sea 24", maybe a Funk 21 and a JTR 4000 ULF dual 18" monster--it will keep you buff!

None of that stuff is for me, back in my PA days I set a limit on audio gear to no more than I weigh (160 pounds) My suffering wife set the other limit of no big boxes no matter how pretty the finish. So I'm building a pair of very large end tables with 15's in them since "furniture" is good.

I'm sure Scott, after building his 3-way horn speakers with four 15" in each cab were done (because AVS needs a dozen 15' for the LCR) he learned and you get stuck with the big heavies--thanks for taking one for the team!
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Hmmm. I'd love to hear your DD15 sometime.....you know, since we're neighbors. I've had interest in that line before but have never heard them.
Well, its replacement is the DD15+, MSRP $4499.

Still interested?

I got my DD15 at 1/3 years ago as a courtesy due to them not being able fix my ULD15.

At that price it's great, at MSRP not so much.

And, sadly, AVS members now have trouble getting support if the AVS Velodyne thread is to be believed.

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Mark I had dual SVS PB 12 plus/2's back in the day. HUGE..and yeah they moved the couches and neighbors could feel it 2-3 houses down.
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So do we have any sense how the SB16-Ultra would compare? Would it sound like the PB16-Ultra with all the ports sealed? I ask because the PB16-Ultra is a bit huge ... :-)

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So do we have any sense how the SB16-Ultra would compare? Would it sound like the PB16-Ultra with all the ports sealed? I ask because the PB16-Ultra is a bit huge ... :-)

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Basically yes, that's what SVS says. Plug it up and it effectively becomes a SB16-Ultra. In some other post that I can't go find because there are so many, SVS commented that the "plugged" PB16U and SB16U are a "10" for bass quality, with the PB16 being a "9" when ported (but with more output). Or something very similar, maybe someone remembers or can link to that.

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Thanks Mark. If I was to consider getting one of these I'm pretty sure it would have to be the SB16-Ultra because of space constraints. I have a single JL Audio Fathom-112 and like it very much. I'll cogitate on it ... :-)

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Enjoyed your enthusiastic review, Mark. That is a great looking sub.

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Thanks for the great review Mark. I am hoping I can justify replacing my PB-13 Ultra with the PB-16 Ultra sometime next year! Got to start saving up for it because the trade-in value of my 3 year old PB-13 Ultra is not much!

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Thanks for the great review Mark. I am hoping I can justify replacing my PB-13 Ultra with the PB-16 Ultra sometime next year! Got to start saving up for it because the trade-in value of my 3 year old PB-13 Ultra is not much!



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Hmmm. I'd love to hear your DD15 sometime.....you know, since we're neighbors. I've had interest in that line before but have never heard them.
I used to have a DD15. It's a good sub, but now that good room correction is available in receivers, I think there are much better values to be had. That matters a lot when you get multiples, which is usually critical for quality bass.
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Can you imagine if they made a cylinder version (my favorite) of this sub? Not sure you would be able to get your arms around it!
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I currently have a single HSU VTF-15h mk2. I assume this would be a pretty noticeable upgrade in output and quality?
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I keep wondering if they would attempt a cylinder of the PB16. All their cylinders so far have maintained a diameter of 16.6" and just varied the height. That would't work with the 16 as the diameter would need to be larger to accommodate the larger driver. Not sure how much larger it would need to be to accommodate 16" driver but from a volume standpoint I estimate that if diameter increases by ~1.65" and maintained same height as PC13-ultra it should come close to volume of PB16. That's a diameter then of 18.25". That's all very rough using available exterior dimensions/volume difference between pb13 and pb16 which is about 21%. Don't know actual internal volumes. My math could also be way off too so take it with a large grain of salt. Anyway I would think even that diameter would not be enough so it may have to be even wider and shorter. At that point it would start to get pretty funny looking and I don't know how practical.

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how many dB @ 20Hz and below?

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Why SVS removed High Pass Filter from both SB16-Ultra and PB16-Ultra but still offer line out jacks is puzzling to me..

I am fighting a nasty background static noise that's been passed on from my SB13-Ultra's line out jacks and curious if the new STA-1500D amp has the same issue or not..
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how many dB @ 20Hz and below?
Link to CEA-2010 data (from another site) is in the review.

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Link to your bass dubs? How low do they go?

Also, do you plan to review the SB16 as well and compare both?

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