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Review: PSB SubSeries 450 - DSP Controlled 12-Inch Subwoofer

The SubSeries 450 is a well-rounded, balanced, easy-going, yet highly capable sub. It's not gonna be the top choice of the "max dB per $" crowd but it's sure to please the sort of listener looking for a "musical" sub that can hit 20 Hz and due to its compact size is easy to find a home for. Click the link to read more: http://www.avsforum.com/psb-subserie...woofer-review/


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Nice review. You mention the musicality of the sub, but reading a lot of reviews on the subwoofer forum here there seems to be a consensus that larger subwoofers with a lot of output don't necessarily have to give anything up when it comes to musicality while also offering a ton of output.

Looking at ID subs that go for similar money, from what you've heard, and taking size/appearance out of the equation, is there anything more 'musical' about this sub as compared to something like a PSA S3000i, JTR Captivator 118ht, or Rythmik FV15HP?
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Nice review. You mention the musicality of the sub, but reading a lot of reviews on the subwoofer forum here there seems to be a consensus that larger subwoofers with a lot of output don't necessarily have to give anything up when it comes to musicality while also offering a ton of output.

Looking at ID subs that go for similar money, from what you've heard, and taking size/appearance out of the equation, is there anything more 'musical' about this sub as compared to something like a PSA S3000i, JTR Captivator 118ht, or Rythmik FV15HP?
All those subs are musical. All those are great subs. And I fully agree with anyone who notes that 15" and 18" woofers are not slow, just as 8" and 10" woofers are not fast--and 12-inchers are not some happy medium. That's mythology. It's all about good design, execution, and integration. And of course output is tied to displacement. End of story.

The idea here is, if you need a subwoofer that's not all that large, is aesthetically pleasing, and has qualities that you could associate with those big boy subwoofers... as long as you don't need big-time dBs or infrasonic capability, then this is an option. Among options.

My point was more based around the notion that spending extra on this, instead of some other commercial subs, does get you extra nuance. But I've heard subs from the brands you mention and they're all fantastic at pulling detail out of music.

Because let's face it, every time I encounter those brands you mention, or Seaton Sound, or SVS... It's in the home of an AVS Forum member, or at a CEDIA demo stocked with AVS Forum members and other AV addicts, generally speaking folks with a totally different concept of what a normal listening level is.

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Great review,

Good to see a 12" sub stuffed in a small box, correct PEQ and limiters added and opposed passive radiators to conserve space. Seven years ago, I needed a sub of a specific size and noted that a port down around 20Hz in a 4 cf box would be huge so went passive radiators. My wife noted that the passive radiators cost more than the active driver quickly. Made a cardboard box mock up of a properly designed ported version so passive radiators for the win.

Yes, running two passive radiators cost a lot more than a tube, the big down side of the design. They also work well if your home has small childred, no worries about them stuffing toys or their pet hamsters through the ports.

Good job PSB, just good, solid design and no crazy single horizontal radiators, stickers proclaiming pneumatically controlled tuned auxillary bass transducer technology and such. A good option to run two for typical living rooms and attempting to hide the things while getting decent performance.
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Price?

I apologize if I missed it in the article.

My DD15 amp just died and I have my fingers crossed the amp can be repaired.

If not I'll be looking at 12" sealed subs, leaning leaning heavily towards Rhythmik F12SE but you never know.

I know this is sacrilegious but one DD15 was overkill for my medium sized room in more ways than one.

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price?

I apologize if i missed it in the article.

My dd15 amp just died and i have my fingers crossed the amp can be repaired.

If not i'll be looking at 12" sealed subs, leaning leaning heavily towards rhythmik f12se but you never know.

I know this is sacrilegious but one dd15 was overkill for my medium sized room in more ways than one.
$1500 msrp

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$1500 msrp
That's SB13 Ultra money and $200 more than the F15HP.

I'll cross the PSB off my list.

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Should be consideration for powerful compact "lifestyle" subs. As has been mentioned not everyone wants tar sprayed child coffins in their homes.

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Agree...sounds like a great little sub, but for $1,500 MSRP, well, you can do better!

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Mark, How is this sub compare to the JL Audio E112 and Golden Ear Supersub XXL?

BTW, it is nice that PSB at least decided to include line level outputs with 80Hz/12dB HPF on their sub...

It is a shame more and more subwoofers today only offer LFE/line inputs and no outputs, not to mention lack of adjustable HPF...

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Agree...sounds like a great little sub, but for $1,500 MSRP, well, you can do better!
Truth be told, it is a bit foolish to compare retail brand subs and ID subs base solely on MSRP..

With ID subs, most likely you are not going to get any discount, so MSRP really is what you pay

With retail brand, if you do your work, you really shouldn't have to pay MSRP...
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Never thought I'd see that in an audiophile review.

I am pleased.
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Wonder how this compares to a Sunfire HRS12
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