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Looking to buy two subs at $400-$500 each, leaning toward the RSL Speedwoofer 10S

Looking to buy two matching subs. Ideally, they'd be no more than $400 each, $500 each tops. I am heavily leaning toward the RSL Speedwoofer 10S. Is this a good choice? Or is there something better in this price range? Thanks!

FYI. I currently have Boston Acoustics Lynnfield VR series speakers with two VR-500 subs (yes, my speakers are 20 years old).
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What's your room size, usage (movies vs. music), footprint/size requirements, etc? Also, do you need wireless functionality?
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Looking to buy two matching subs. Ideally, they'd be no more than $400 each, $500 each tops. I am heavily leaning toward the RSL Speedwoofer 10S. Is this a good choice? Or is there something better in this price range? Thanks!

FYI. I currently have Boston Acoustics Lynnfield VR series speakers with two VR-500 subs (yes, my speakers are 20 years old).
Would be a great choice I would think.

Emotiva BasX12 has similar specs but larger driver but slightly smaller amp.

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Would you consider using a little wood glue to get a great value? The ready to assemble subwoofer kits from Parts Express could be good fit for you. They are extremely to assemble. You can get a great 15" driver and ready to assemble box for $293 each. Then add a Behringer iNuke 3000DSP for another $279. For just under $900, you could get a pair of 15" sealed subs and amp with DSP.

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What's your room size, usage (movies vs. music), footprint/size requirements, etc? Also, do you need wireless functionality?
Thanks everyone. Sorry, I should have provided more info. The room is pretty small, it's just a bedroom (used as a dedicated HT) - it is 10' x 12' (chair - screen is in the 10' direction). 8' high ceilings. Mostly video games and movies, rarely music. I do prefer tight bass to rumbly bass (so I am thinking 10" woofer over a 12+"?) Subwoofer overall enclosure size isn't a huge issue, my current VR-500's are 15"x15" and have room around them. I would kind of prefer a black woodgrain finish to match my Boston's (the RSL's appear to match). I don't need wireless (but the RSL Speedwoofer has the option). Thanks again!
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Thanks everyone. Sorry, I should have provided more info. The room is pretty small, it's just a bedroom (used as a dedicated HT) - it is 10' x 12' (chair - screen is in the 10' direction). 8' high ceilings. Mostly video games and movies, rarely music. I do prefer tight bass to rumbly bass (so I am thinking 10" woofer over a 12+"?) Subwoofer overall enclosure size isn't a huge issue, my current VR-500's are 15"x15" and have room around them. I would kind of prefer a black woodgrain finish to match my Boston's (the RSL's appear to match). I don't need wireless (but the RSL Speedwoofer has the option). Thanks again!
IMO two Speedwoofers in that small of a room should give you all your looking for. Their compact ported and punchy.
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Would you consider using a little wood glue to get a great value? The ready to assemble subwoofer kits from Parts Express could be good fit for you. They are extremely to assemble. You can get a great 15" driver and ready to assemble box for $293 each. Then add a Behringer iNuke 3000DSP for another $279. For just under $900, you could get a pair of 15" sealed subs and amp with DSP.

https://www.parts-express.com/dayton...ndle--300-7097
https://www.parts-express.com/behrin...-dsp--248-6706
These will blow away what a pair of commercial 10" subs can do.
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Looking to buy two subs at $400-$500 each, leaning toward the RSL Speedwoofer 10S

OP, look at HSU research, a good ID source of subs. I have one of their VTF (variable tuning) subs that gives you the benefit of a sealed or ported subwoofer depending upon your needs, or mood. Great value, supported on the forum by @HsuKevin .

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Looking to buy two matching subs. Ideally, they'd be no more than $400 each, $500 each tops. I am heavily leaning toward the RSL Speedwoofer 10S. Is this a good choice? Or is there something better in this price range? Thanks!

FYI. I currently have Boston Acoustics Lynnfield VR series speakers with two VR-500 subs (yes, my speakers are 20 years old).
If you have the room, a pair of SVS PB1000s are $950 with the multiple sub discount. 45 day trial, free return shipping if needed.

The biggest difference will be the amount of output under 30hz. The PB1000s will have usable output to the upper teens in that size room.
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If you have the room, a pair of SVS PB1000s are $950 with the multiple sub discount. 45 day trial, free return shipping if needed.

The biggest difference will be the amount of output under 30hz. The PB1000s will have usable output to the upper teens in that size room.
Is the PB-1000 better than the SB-1000?
https://www.svsound.com/pages/subwoofers#1000-series
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Is the PB-1000 better than the SB-1000?
https://www.svsound.com/pages/subwoofers#1000-series
For movies or anything with content under about 30hz, yes. If for just music you won't notice much if any difference.

The PB1000s will have nearly 4 times the output under 25hz. Definitely a plus for HT use.

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Is the PB-1000 better than the SB-1000?
https://www.svsound.com/pages/subwoofers#1000-series
Depends on what you mean. It will be louder, the sb-1000 will be cleaner sounding. If you are considering the SB-1000, you should consider the sb12-nsd. Similar sub, but $100 cheaper, and 100 watts more power, as it is an older version of the SB-2000 and is being clearanced.
https://www.amazon.com/SVS-SB12-NSD-...AGAF5TZEXEJGXJ

http://www.audioholics.com/subwoofer...-nsd-subwoofer

The disadvantage is you lose the SVS bill of rights, except the warrantee, as it is a 3rd party seller.
Advantage over the PB-1000? A little cleaner sound. Advantage over the Speed Woofer? Sound down to 20 Hz. Both the ported subs will play louder, though. In a small room like yours, they should be enough, and it's $800/pr.

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Depends on what you mean. It will be louder, the sb-1000 will be cleaner sounding. If you are considering the SB-1000, you should consider the pb12-nsd. Similar sub, but $100 cheaper, and 100 watts more power, as it is an older version of the PB-2000 and is being clearanced.
https://www.amazon.com/SVS-SB12-NSD-...AGAF5TZEXEJGXJ

http://www.audioholics.com/subwoofer...-nsd-subwoofer

The disadvantage is you lose the SVS bill of rights, except the warrantee, as it is a 3rd party seller.
Advantage over the ported SVS? A little cleaner sound. Advantage over the Speed Woofer? Sound down to 20 Hz. Both the ported subs will play louder, though. In a small room like yours, they should be enough, and it's $800/pr.
I know you meant SB since the link is for one.

As for the SB1000 sounding cleaner- not likely. That's pretty much a myth that's been dispelled. Once past the area of port tune of the PB they should sound nearly identical.
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I know you meant SB since the link is for one.

As for the SB1000 sounding cleaner- not likely. That's pretty much a myth that's been dispelled. Once past the area of port tune of the PB they should sound nearly identical.
I caught that, I thought I fixed it in edit. I also changed ported to PB-1000 just now, since being ported was incidental to the point.

Actually, that's the opinion of the person who reviewed the PB-1000, Brent Butterworth. He noticed a certain amount of distortion in the PB-1000. At the time, he said it was the best $500 and under subwoofer he had had tested. This was before the Speedwoofer was released. I'm talking specifically the PB-1000 vs the NSD, not ported vs sealed. Also, the NSD has a 12 inch driver vs the Pb-1000's 10 inch driver. My statement is based on reading reviews of both subs. You notice I didn't claim the NSD is cleaner than the speedwoofer, and it's also a ported sub. The advantage the NSD has over the speedwoofer is low end extension.
Just because a ported sub can be as distortion free as a sealed one doesn't mean they all are.
For instance, I'm sure it's safe to say any ported JTR sub has as little or even less distortion than an NSD. Also, I think it's safe to say that an NSD has less distortion than a $100 Polk ported sub.

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I have dual PB-1000's. I've had them for about a month I guess. Two of these is definitely better than the one PB-2000 in regards to headroom and evening out bass in the room. Mine are covering around 3300 cubic feet so I can't imagine dual PB-1000's in a small room. I really like these and they get below 19hz. I admit, sometimes on certain music at certain volumes I feel like I'm missing something but for lower bass or dubstep type music these things are bad ass! Also, they definitely kick ass for movies! I had a ML Dynamo 500 (overpriced sub) for about 6 months before I knew about ID sub companies. Then I tried the Speedwoofer and the PB-2000. For your small room and to save $150 I'd go with dual Speedwoofers. You won't be disappointed! But for movies and games for $950 I'd get two PB-1000's. It depends on what you're willing to spend!
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Also, I'll add that I liked the single Speedwoofer at moderate volumes with certain songs better than the single PB-1000.. But, on lower bass songs and lower frequencies like in explosions the PB-1000 was much better. The Speedwoofer dropped off where the PB-1000 still kept going!
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And.. as in another thread I posted this...

Ok so.. correct me if I'm wrong. I've researched all this before finally sticking with dual PB-1000's. From what I can tell is you really can't compare Hsu with SVS. The VTF-1 MK3 is a 10" 250w RMS 25hz sub for $423 (with shipping). I would take the Speedwoofer 10s (350w RMS and below 24hz) for $399 over it. The VTF-2 is a 12" 350w RMS 18hz sub for $604 with shipping. The PB-1000 is a 10" 300w RMS 19hz sub for $499. So it's not really "apples to apples". Dual VTF-2 MK5's will cost you $1,208 vs $950 for dual PB-1000's. So yes, it should be a better sub with more output if you want to spend $258 more. So in my opinion dual PB-1000 is probably the best dual subs that get below 19hz for under $1,000. The VTF-2 MK5 12" sub really is inbetween the PB-1000 and the PB-2000. So as we all know, it's all about what you're willing to spend.
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I would look at PB-1000's or VTF1.3. The Speedwoofer does not extend as deep being +/3db 29hz. Manufacturer specs claim +/-3db 24hz but third part testing found that to be inflated.

I want to address a couple commonly brought up myths in this thread.

-Smaller drivers are not tighter sounding then larger drivers. A properly designed large driver will have lower distortion because it does not need as much excursion to displace air.

-Sealed is not more accurate nor cleaner then properly designed ported sub with a lower tune( below 25hz ) because the port is not contributing to the output above 30hz in audible bass range. The low tuning point will give the ported sub an extra 8-10db of output in those lower frequencies and will help the sub maintain clean output playback on movie night. This myth populated from most store brand subs which are small and the port tune is normally in the 35hz range. When you tune a sub this high the port starts adding output in the audible bass range and that can cause the bass to sound boomy.
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Why not buy a single larger sub like the HSU VTF-15?
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I'm no expert and still learning as I go but, from my most recent experience it definitely depends on the room design and the size of the room. I tried the PB-2000 but settled on dual PB-1000's. I was trying to stay under $1,000 and realized I HAD to have dual subs in my space of approximately 3300 cubic feet. Yes, if I could've (or really wanted to) I would have dual PB-2000's but honestly believe that for $500 more it would've been overkill for me. I do have close neighbors and I'm happy thus far with my purchase. I would love to hear some Hsu subs but dual VTF 2-MK5's would've been over $1200 and would've cost another $130 to return them if not happy.

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I'm no expert and still learning as I go but, from my most recent experience it definitely depends on the room design and the size of the room. I tried the PB-2000 but settled on dual PB-1000's. I was trying to stay under $1,000 and realized I HAD to have dual subs in my space of approximately 3300 cubic feet. Yes, if I could've (or really wanted to) I would have dual PB-2000's but honestly believe that for $500 more it would've been overkill for me. I do have close neighbors and I'm happy thus far with my purchase. I would love to hear some Hsu subs but dual VTF 2-MK5's would've been over $1200 and would've cost another $130 to return them if not happy.
Yes, but a single VTF-15 MK2 is going to be the same cost as the two he wants, except it offers even lower extension and increased volume at almost every frequency even over a PB-2000, let alone the subs he's looking at. If he ever decides he wants a second one, he's even better off.
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I have been auditioning the speedwoofer it sounds good but just can't seem to seem to keep up with my expectations the beginning of edge of tommorow doesn't play with the authority I was expecting and I also seem to be having to turn the sub level down for a number of movies or else I get some sound from the woofer/ port so for me I am trying to decide what direction to go I also run bass shakers in my setup the sub sounds clean but just not big enough I guess for my expectations. I run 4 adx Maximus shakers which shake hard and then I see myself having to put the sub level down on certain movies to prevent noise from the sub coming from the driver itself or from the port so to me just not good enough
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I would look at PB-1000's or VTF1.3. The Speedwoofer does not extend as deep being +/3db 29hz. Manufacturer specs claim +/-3db 24hz but third part testing found that to be inflated.

I want to address a couple commonly brought up myths in this thread.

-Smaller drivers are not tighter sounding then larger drivers. A properly designed large driver will have lower distortion because it does not need as much excursion to displace air.

-Sealed is not more accurate nor cleaner then properly designed ported sub with a lower tune( below 25hz ) because the port is not contributing to the output above 30hz in audible bass range. The low tuning point will give the ported sub an extra 8-10db of output in those lower frequencies and will help the sub maintain clean output playback on movie night. This myth populated from most store brand subs which are small and the port tune is normally in the 35hz range. When you tune a sub this high the port starts adding output in the audible bass range and that can cause the bass to sound boomy.
No one claimed sealed is more accurate than ported. I was accused of it, but I didn't do it. I pointed out that a specific sealed sub was cleaner than a specific ported sub, because that's what professional reviewers said. In the same paragraph, I compared the same sealed sub to a different ported sub, and pointed out differences there, too, and it wasn't about accuracy. People decided to read into what I posted, and claimed I made a point I didn't make.

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I have been auditioning the speedwoofer it sounds good but just can't seem to seem to keep up with my expectations the beginning of edge of tommorow doesn't play with the authority I was expecting and I also seem to be having to turn the sub level down for a number of movies or else I get some sound from the woofer/ port so for me I am trying to decide what direction to go I also run bass shakers in my setup the sub sounds clean but just not big enough I guess for my expectations. I run 4 adx Maximus shakers which shake hard and then I see myself having to put the sub level down on certain movies to prevent noise from the sub coming from the driver itself or from the port so to me just not good enough
The beginning scene of EOT is one of the most demanding scenes you can put a subwoofer through. Expecting a $399 sub to play that scene with authority is unrealistic. Ya gotta go up in weight class, plain and simple. I would say the $800 price range is the minimum for the performance you seek.
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I had your same budget and requirements, dual PB-1000's will be here Friday. Part of the reason I went with them was the upgrade program. Send the subs back later and pay the difference for nicer subs.

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I really appreciate everyone taking the time to reply. There has been so much great input and the input has given me a lot to think about. In fact, I haven't ordered anything yet because now I have too much to think about! lol

So, after reading the replies, I think I am down to either two RLS Speedwoofers 10Ss or two SVS subs (probably the PB-1000 but maybe the SB-1000?).

I guess, in my head, I can't stop thinking about Sound & Vision's 5 star rating for performance for the Speedwoofer 10S. This is why I am leaning toward him.

By comparison, S&V gave the SVS SB-1000 only four stars for performance.

I can't seem to find the "star rating" by S&V for the PB-1000, only this review.



Not to further complicate matters but have we talked about the SVS SB12-NSD? It looks like he is only $400.


Arrrgggghhhh. :S
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I really appreciate everyone taking the time to reply. There has been so much great input and the input has given me a lot to think about. In fact, I haven't ordered anything yet because now I have too much to think about! lol

So, after reading the replies, I think I am down to either two RLS Speedwoofers 10Ss or two SVS subs (probably the PB-1000 but maybe the SB-1000?).

I guess, in my head, I can't stop thinking about Sound & Vision's 5 star rating for performance for the Speedwoofer 10S. This is why I am leaning toward him.

By comparison, S&V gave the SVS SB-1000 only four stars for performance.

I can't seem to find the "star rating" by S&V for the PB-1000, only this review.



Not to further complicate matters but have we talked about the SVS SB12-NSD? It looks like he is only $400.


Arrrgggghhhh. :S
When it comes to certain movie scenes or lower bass songs you will be disappointed in the Speedwoofer. Like I said earlier, I tried it out for almost three weeks. It's a nice sub for $399 but.. you'll need more!
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I really appreciate everyone taking the time to reply. There has been so much great input and the input has given me a lot to think about. In fact, I haven't ordered anything yet because now I have too much to think about! lol

So, after reading the replies, I think I am down to either two RLS Speedwoofers 10Ss or two SVS subs (probably the PB-1000 but maybe the SB-1000?).

I guess, in my head, I can't stop thinking about Sound & Vision's 5 star rating for performance for the Speedwoofer 10S. This is why I am leaning toward him.

By comparison, S&V gave the SVS SB-1000 only four stars for performance.

I can't seem to find the "star rating" by S&V for the PB-1000, only this review.



Not to further complicate matters but have we talked about the SVS SB12-NSD? It looks like he is only $400.


Arrrgggghhhh. :S
I believe I mentioned it. If you are interested in the SB-1000, you should get the NSD instead, as it the previous generation version of the SB-2000, for $100 less than the SB-1000. A little more power for less money.
If you don't mind losing the last 1/2 octave that the SVS' can produce, the Speedwoofer probably sounds best. Or, you could go eenie meenie miny moe, and you'll have a good subwoofer. Like I said though, substitute the NSD for the SB-1000 in your consideration.

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I have been auditioning the speedwoofer it sounds good but just can't seem to seem to keep up with my expectations the beginning of edge of tommorow doesn't play with the authority I was expecting and I also seem to be having to turn the sub level down for a number of movies or else I get some sound from the woofer/ port so for me I am trying to decide what direction to go I also run bass shakers in my setup the sub sounds clean but just not big enough I guess for my expectations. I run 4 adx Maximus shakers which shake hard and then I see myself having to put the sub level down on certain movies to prevent noise from the sub coming from the driver itself or from the port so to me just not good enough
why would you expect a subs that is rated +/-3db @ 29hz to plat a scene that is 10-20hz?
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