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TWO Yamaha YST-SW012 or ONE Emotive BASX S8?

Would you prefer TWO Yamaha YST-SW012 or ONE Emotive BASX S8 sub(s) for 2.1 desktop duty - music only?

Due to various life circumstancesI will soon be working from home. At first I will be using a 2.1 desktop system. Eventually, I hope to build the ~11' by 15' office/music room. The sub(s) would hopefully be used there as well.

My objective is to fill out the bottom 2 or 3 octaves below the satellite speakers. My preference is musicality and accuracy. If circumstances were different, I'd probably go for a sealed Rythmik or a hybrid HSU. Until a few other factors are considered, even the RSL Speedwoofer is out of consideration. Obviously, I can't be looking for tight, 20 hz performance for less than $300.

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The lack of a variable crossover on the YST-SW012 is beginning to concern me. It might make integration more difficult if I go with a 2 channel stereo or integrated amp. One the other hand, it might be nice to have a sub on each side of the desk.
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If I understand correctly your room is fairly small, you'll be sitting within close proximity and it's a music-only system. Given your situation I don't see that dual subwoofers would provide any benefit, so it's better to consider one nice sub instead.

There's almost nothing written on the BAS-X line of subwoofers yet, so I don't know how they fare. Might be worth considering however. Another potential option is the Martin Logan Dynamo 300. At $200 it's a good deal.

Not sure if either the Emotiva or ML will satisfy your 2-3 octave range below your speakers as you didn't list what they are or where you cross them over. 3 octaves can be a pretty demanding load though, depending upon your starting point. For example, if you cross the speakers at 120Hz 3 full octaves down is 15Hz. You'll need a whole lot more than an 8" driver to accomplish that.

There is a thread dedicated to $300 and below subwoofers. Check out this link for more info. The first post has a lot of choices in your price range.

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If I understand correctly your room is fairly small, you'll be sitting within close proximity and it's a music-only system. Given your situation I don't see that dual subwoofers would provide any benefit, so it's better to consider one nice sub instead.

Not sure if either the Emotiva or ML will satisfy your 2-3 octave range below your speakers as you didn't list what they are or where you cross them over. 3 octaves can be a pretty demanding load though, depending upon your starting point. For example, if you cross the speakers at 120Hz 3 full octaves down is 15Hz. You'll need a whole lot more than an 8" driver to accomplish that.
Ooops! I usually start with the assumption that I will have a sub that reaches down to the 20's, so I started at the bottom and worked up - my bad

For the immediate future (or possibly forever ) the desk will be in an open 2,000 sqft basement. If they still work, I hope to use A/D/S model 200s on the desktop. If not, I will probably use Take Classics or NanoSats. If circumstances allowed..., I would consider purchasing bookshelves such as the XTZ 95.24 - or skip the sub and go for the 95.44.

I'm gradually working my way through the budget list. However, recently the <$100 Yammies have gotten some favorable comments for music and there has been a lot of positive speculation about the potential of the BasX S8. Since you brought it up, I will look at the Dynamo 300 again - I wish I had bought the original Dynamo when they were being closed out.

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I'm confused here; you mentioned wanting a 2.1 "desktop system" but then you threw in the XTZ 95.44, which is a tower speaker. How big is this desk of yours?

It might be better to decide on a form factor before researching products. If you want 2 bookshelf speakers and a subwoofer your journey will be decidedly different then if you want towers. It's not that I'm saying the XTZ 95.44 is bad - quite the contrary, as I reviewed the 95 Series a few years back and really liked what I heard - it's just a set of towers is not really made for the person sitting very close. That's more the province of bookshelf speakers and a subwoofer. If you'll be sitting close would something like the Wave Crest HVL-1 work for speakers? Those are nice and they don't cost much.

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I'm confused here; you mentioned wanting a 2.1 "desktop system" but then you threw in the XTZ 95.44, which is a tower speaker. How big is this desk of yours?

It might be better to decide on a form factor before researching products. If you want 2 bookshelf speakers and a subwoofer your journey will be decidedly different then if you want a pair of towers. It's not that I'm saying the XTZ 95.44 is bad - quite the contrary, as I reviewed the 95 Series a few years back and really liked what I heard - it's just a set of towers is not really made for the person sitting very close, that's more the province of bookshelf speakers and a subwoofer. If you'll sitting be close, would something like the Wave Crest HVL-1 work for speakers? Those are nice, and they don't cost much.
It's a pretty big desk, but not that big.

The confusion may be that I will probably be working from home starting in a few weeks. I'm looking for a quick, but respectable, fix that will sound decent and doesn't require a large investment in time and money (i.e. desktop system).

When/if I get an office-music room completed I will probably have the mains on one end of the room and the desk on one of the sides. At that point I would have room for towers - For WAF reasons I went through a period of satellites - hence the access to tiny passive speakers.

With a room to myself I hope to go back to larger size speakers.

The A/D/S 200s work, but need a little help in the bass department. So, I'm now thinking for <$100 the Yamaha Sub might work for near field duty if set next to the desk. It would by part of a series of bandaids.

I figured a reference to XTZ speakers would get your attention. I have been intrigued by them since I read your review a couple years ago.
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Definitely look at the Wave Crest speakers then. You can thank me later.

I can't figure XTZ out. In Europe they're quite popular, but here not so much. I can't tell you how much time I've spent talking with the company principles - including their President in Sweden - but for some reason they never got the marketing/distribution set up on this side of the pond. I'm about the only person who even knows that XTZ exists, and that's a shame because they make some very nice products. Sigh...

Would you be able to extend the budget to consider RSL? I was the first person to publish a review on the CG4 Series when they came out about 5 years ago, so I know those speakers are very nice. The new CG3 and SpeedWoofer 10S, which are the 'younger brother' to the CG4 line, would almost certainly make a very nice 2.1 system.

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Definitely look at the Wave Crest speakers then. You can thank me later.

I can't figure XTZ out. In Europe they're quite popular, but here not so much. I can't tell you how much time I've spent talking with the company principles - including their President in Sweden - but for some reason they never got the marketing/distribution set up on this side of the pond. I'm about the only person who even knows that XTZ exists, and that's a shame because they make some very nice products. Sigh...

Would you be able to extend the budget to consider RSL? I was the first person to publish a review on the CG4 Series when they came out about 5 years ago, so I know those speakers are very nice. The new CG3 and SpeedWoofer 10S, which are the 'younger brother' to the CG4 line, would almost certainly make a very nice 2.1 system.
Thanks, if I need to move to larger speakers I'll definitely check out the Wave Crests.

I considered adding a thread to the Speakers forum asking whether anyone had recent experience with XTZ Sound. If possible, the US section of the site appears even more spartan than it was a couple years ago . It would be nice to confirm that XTZ can provide provide good or acceptable service to US clients.

The Speedwoofer 10S has been on my radar for $400 subwoofers. However, it is double my current maximum for this quick project. However, I haven't had much interest in satellite speakers that cannot pull their own weight down to 80 hz. On a whim I tried some SVS Prime Satellites thinking that they would go back. They are still in the living room crossed over at 80 hz.

If I was to break my budget, my goal would be to jump to the Rythmik L12 for < $600. I am currently using an early (2002 or 2003) DIY 12" sealed box Rythmik. It has been ideal for my tastes.

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The lack of a variable crossover on the YST-SW012 is beginning to concern me. It might make integration more difficult if I go with a 2 channel stereo or integrated amp. One the other hand, it might be nice to have a sub on each side of the desk.
I have two of the Yamaha subs and they work great but I don't think they would work for you as they lack speaker level inputs and internal crossover, (unless you have an avr or outboard sub crossover as I do).

They also have no output to speak of below 28hz...in fact no $300 sub, (unless you go DIY), does.

The BasX S8 (or S10) with more powerful amp+crossover+speaker level inputs and promise of far flatter frequency response down to 28hz would be perfect for music IMHO.

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I have two of the Yamaha subs and they work great but I don't think they would work for you as they lack speaker level inputs and internal crossover, (unless you have an avr or outboard sub crossover as I do).

They also have no output to speak of below 28hz...in fact no $300 sub, (unless you go DIY), does.

The BasX S8 (or S10) with more powerful amp+crossover+speaker level inputs and promise of far flatter frequency response down to 28hz would be perfect for music IMHO.
I just hooked up my HK AVR and it works Hopefully it it will plug along a while longer. If so it should cover x-over duties.

My latest thought is that the Yamaha sub would be a "disposable" component and would not be a part of a more permanent solution.

In a large open area, do you think one YST-SW012 would provide enough output in the 30 hz range if placed only a few feet from a desk that is solid down to the floor?
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An 8" driver hooked up to a 100 watt amp is not likely to have much 30Hz output, but close proximity will help get the most out of what it can do.

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