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In case anyone is interested, review of Outlaw Ultra X-13

http://www.audioholics.com/subwoofer...udio-ultra-x13

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Looks like a very good sub, but I don't think it looks $1500 good. Too bad they didn't design it with the ports in the rear or front. I never cared for the ports on the bottom on the previous Outlaw subs.

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I would have much preferred if it didn't have THX certification (ie, $$$) and pass that savings on to the consumers.

This really should be a $999 sub. I think it would have more takers at a thousand.
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Based on it's overall performance and the competition out there, $1000 would have been a much more competitive price. I would take the HSU VTF-15H.2 for $1038 over the Ultra-X13 every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

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Based on it's overall performance and the competition out there, $1000 would have been a much more competitive price. I would take the HSU VTF-15H.2 for $1038 over the Ultra-X13 every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Why, what makes the HSU better other than price?
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Just glancing at the # quick it looks like 2 Ultra12 would be a better choice to me and less $. I have an Ultra 12 I paid $550 shipped for back in 2015/2016 as a New Years or Christmas special and for $$ it is a pretty nice sub as for output and SQ.

I just bought it to compare different subs at different price ranges and at the time it was the next step up from cheaper $300 subs and it was a pretty noticeable step up in sound and output.

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Why, what makes the HSU better other than price?
Looking at the graphs for both subs 1 and 2 ports, they are almost the same. 1 port advantage to the HSU in the lower frequency. However, we know you are brand loyal and it shows in the other thread. However, it is your money, but the Outlaw is another 5-600 more than what you can get from HSU, Rythmik, PSA, etc. and get more sheer output. There is a reason alot of these bassheads use the ID brands and not the likes of Outlaw. EQ1 curves for both below. Around 18hz, the HSU bests by around 5-6 db, that is 2 Outlaws subs combined. Also around 15hz, HSU is around 3db higher.

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Looking at the graphs for both subs 1 and 2 ports, they are almost the same. 1 port advantage to the HSU in the lower frequency. However, we know you are brand loyal and it shows in the other thread. However, it is your money, but the Outlaw is another 5-600 more than what you can get from HSU, Rythmik, PSA, etc. and get more sheer output. There is a reason alot of these bassheads use the ID brands and not the likes of Outlaw.
Outlaw is an ID brand as far as I know. But I am honestly asking, and it seems to be exactly what I said, the reason the HSU is the better pick is a better price for pretty much the same performance.
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Outlaw is an ID brand as far as I know. But I am honestly asking, and it seems to be exactly what I said, the reason the HSU is the better pick is a better price for pretty much the same performance.
Outlaw is an ID brand, but they are an ID brand to amps/processors who also throw subs in there as a convenience. They can't compete w/ the likes of a true subwoofer ID brand. HSU, Rythmik, PSA, DeepSeaSound, Seaton, JTR, etc.

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Outlaw is an ID brand as far as I know. But I am honestly asking, and it seems to be exactly what I said, the reason the HSU is the better pick is a better price for pretty much the same performance.
Then if it has the same performance, why pay another 5-600 more???? If you want to stretch to $1999, you can get the JTR 1400, that monster will run circles and embarrass both subs combined.

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Then if it has the same performance, why pay another 5-600 more????
I wouldn't, the way the post I quoted sounded was that the HSU was a better sub by a long shot. but they are very similar subs with the main difference being price, so the HSU does win.
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I wouldn't, the way the post I quoted sounded was that the HSU was a better sub by a long shot. but they are very similar subs with the main difference being price, so the HSU does win.
I don't think the HSU is leaps and bounds better. I think it is a better performer and will dig abit deeper than the Outlaw. You are not making a fair comparison when you are talking about a $849 sub to a $1500 sub. There is something wrong when the cheaper sub outperforms the expensive one. Just goes to show again that you get ALOT more for your money sticking to the ID Sub companies.

However, if you want to make a comparison based on price. Take the JTR 118. That thing is in a different stratosphere when compared to the Outlaw. Now you are comparing apples to apples when it comes down to price, but apples to oranges when comparing output.
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Outlaw is an ID brand as far as I know. But I am honestly asking, and it seems to be exactly what I said, the reason the HSU is the better pick is a better price for pretty much the same performance.
I disagree. When you're thinking about Subwoofers, you immediately think of SVS, HSU, Epik, Seaton etc...

Outlaw is mainly known of their fantastic amplifiers. That's why this sub needs to be more competitive pricing-wise.

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I disagree. When you're thinking about Subwoofers, you immediately think of SVS, HSU, Epik, Seaton etc...

Outlaw is mainly known of their fantastic amplifiers. That's why this sub needs to be more competitive pricing-wise.
Outlaw will never, and i mean never, compete w/ the likes of the true sub ID companies that I listed ( HSU, Rythmik, PSA, DeepSeaSound, Seaton, JTR, etc). They only sell subs as a convenience to the consumer when they are shopping for amps. They know that they will not compete with the big boys, but it is still a sku that they can capitalize on for extra revenue.

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Based on it's overall performance and the competition out there, $1000 would have been a much more competitive price. I would take the HSU VTF-15H.2 for $1038 over the Ultra-X13 every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Price does come "down" to $1250 each if you buy a pair.

Still if you take a peak in the forums the reviewer when asked about comparison to the SVS PB13U stated that a better comparison would be with the SVS Plus model. So, take from that what you will.

Also, I know the reviewer (he who shall not be named on this forum ) is like Mr. Wick, excommunicado, I do appreciate the thoroughness of his reviews.

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Price does come "down" to $1250 each if you buy a pair.

Still if you take a peak in the forums the reviewer when asked about comparison to the SVS PB13U stated that a better comparison would be with the SVS Plus model. So, take from that what you will.

Also, I know the reviewer (he who shall not be named on this forum ) is like Mr. Wick, excommunicado, I do appreciate the thoroughness of his reviews.
You do get a discount buying two, but with shipping added to the $2500 the total is just under $2795. If you look at the VTF-15H.2 numbers on the HSU website, which their numbers are generally viewed as fairly accurate, the VTF-15H is similar in performance to the Ultra X-13 and has more output potential from the 20Hz range and up. Of course you can't say with 100% accuracy when comparing different max output test numbers, but it's safe to say the HSU is certainly at least in the same range as the Ultra-X13. This would also apply to the usual suspects in the 1k range from Rythmik, PSA and Seaton.

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So the low distortion numbers don't really mean much?
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Looks awesome to me, great looking and great specs.
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Outlaw is an ID brand as far as I know. But I am honestly asking, and it seems to be exactly what I said, the reason the HSU is the better pick is a better price for pretty much the same performance.
Outlaw is an ID brand, but they are an ID brand to amps/processors who also throw subs in there as a convenience. They can't compete w/ the likes of a true subwoofer ID brand. HSU, Rythmik, PSA, DeepSeaSound, Seaton, JTR, etc.
I wouldn't say that. This new sub looks to be a great competitor. They've always offered good value in their subs, even if not top performers. Still not bad for the money.
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FYI, Outlaw is running a sale for the 4th on their subs. Ultra-X13 is $1299, shipped.

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FYI, Outlaw is running a sale for the 4th on their subs. Ultra-X13 is $1299, shipped.
That's a great price for what is probably an awesome sub. The low distortion levels do mean a lot, and I'm sure the proof is in the listening. I would grab this before any HSU, that's for sure.
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