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Second sub to compliment Martin Logan Balanced Force 210

So I setup my new dedicated room and all is well except it's quite challenging bass wise. Up until now the BF210 was plenty enough but no longer in this new room, quite simply no matter where I place it at the MLP it has the weakest response (it's still excellent I just want to smooth out the response across the room and also have the benefit of a second sub I always wanted).

I have a couple of options (3 really).

- Martin logan Dynamo 1000
- ML Dynamo 1500
- a demo PARADIGM MONITOR SUB 12 at a good price

I only want to stick with ML or worst case Paradigm as if you look at my signature I have a full ML setup and the PBK kit integrates them perfectly.

I feel the Dynamo 1000 could be the sweet spot to compliment the BF 210 and also reasonably affordable, the 1500 would be best of course but not sure I want to spend that much, the SUB12 I can get for a very good price but I've read it's not as capable down below.

Any suggestions are welcome.

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So I setup my new dedicated room and all is well except it's quite challenging bass wise. Up until now the BF210 was plenty enough but no longer in this new room, quite simply no matter where I place it at the MLP it has the weakest response (it's still excellent I just want to smooth out the response across the room and also have the benefit of a second sub I always wanted).

I have a couple of options (3 really).

- Martin logan Dynamo 1000
- ML Dynamo 1500
- a demo PARADIGM MONITOR SUB 12 at a good price
If this represents your order of preference I would say you might want to go the inverse of that instead.

Whenever possible, multiples should be the same. It makes balancing them easier, and for sure you know they'll sound the same and have identical capabilities (frequency response, total output, etc). Next would be the 1500, as in that case at least the output is likely to be similar. The 1000 should probably be eliminated from contention because it's going to be so different that integrating it will be a challenge.

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Hmm thanks. I thought the 1000 and the 1500 would be similar except they don't go as deep. The SUB 12 goes to 16hz but that does not sound as tight and snappy apparently. The main advantage of the 210 is that it's hugely capable yet tight and highly musical, I thought the 1000 or 1500 would be similar in that regard.

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Hmm thanks. I thought the 1000 and the 1500 would be similar except they don't go as deep. The SUB 12 goes to 16hz but that does not sound as tight and snappy apparently. The main advantage of the 210 is that it's hugely capable yet tight and highly musical, I thought the 1000 or 1500 would be similar in that regard.
I read that wrong it seems... the SUB 12 is definitely not my first choice. That's what happens when you try to reply to a thread while multitasking at work.

If you can't get another BF210 then the ML 1500 would be the next logical choice. It's the only one of the three that will come close to matching your current subwoofer. The Paradigm SUB 12 doesn't go anywhere near 16Hz, so disregard that specification. I reviewed it 3 1/2 years ago, so I know that from first hand experience. For a tiny subwoofer it's a good choice, but deep bass it simply can't do.

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Ok thanks. That makes sense now. So don't even touch the 1000 if budget only allows for that?

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If the 1000 would be physically closer to the listening positions than the BF you might be able to get a good blend. If the new sub would be as far away as the BF though than the 1500 is the only real choice.

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If the 1000 would be physically closer to the listening positions than the BF you might be able to get a good blend. If the new sub would be as far away as the BF though than the 1500 is the only real choice.
Thanks I might be in luck as the 1000 would be closer.

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