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post #1 of 9 Old 12-02-2004, 03:30 PM - Thread Starter
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12" TITANIC MKIII SUBWOOFER KIT
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/show...tnumber=300-762

12" SVS PB12
http://www.svsubwoofers.com/subs_pb12_isd.htm

12" Adire Riva
http://www.adireaudio.com/Merchant2...egory_Code=1000


Trying to decide this bunch for my main theater. My goal is to keep things under $600, and obviously if I can find a great sub for less with close to the same quailty as a $600 sub I'd certainly look at it. Wondering which you think will provide, the deepest, and hopefully cleanest bass. I realize those two might not go together. I should also mention I do not want a 10" subwoofer, because I want the special sound I get with 12" Drivers. Also, if you feel there is another subwoofer I should throw into the list that would be great, it appears this $600 or lower market is a very LONG list, but hopefully I can find the gem.

Thanks so much!
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Wondering which you think will provide, the deepest, and hopefully cleanest bass.
I have no doubt that the SVS will provide the deepest and cleanest bass. It will also have more headroom and dynamic freedom than the others, coming closer to replicating the input signal (the goal, btw).

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Could be possible, or you could build a dual sonosub setup based on the others and more than likely kill the SVS..Just a thought..

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While I can't imagine anyone having a defendable opposition to my statement (an optimized 12" reflex against 12" sealed designs in the areas mentioned), it's certainly possibly to DIY dual subs that could outperform it. Nothing too revelatory there. Especially if, by "sonosubs", you mean reflex.
I think, though, that someone who's posting about the "special sound" of 12" drivers hasn't much interest in researching a DIY project. ;)

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There is a guy I know that replaced his Rava and M&K with a Titanic Kit and he mentioned that it pretty much squashed the Rava and the M&K combined.

I don't know how good the PB12 is but I have no doubts it will be killer. Personally I'd just go with the PB12.
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Yeah Jacj you could be right..Just was an option though..I have heard good things about the Titanic subs..Seems to be a capable driver.

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Thanks for comments on the DIY idea. Shane I do agree, I'm leaning towards the svs pb12. In regards to the 12" driver have a special sound, yes it certainly does in most situations. Obviously there are some 10" drivers that can sound as good as a 12" driver although they will cost more because of the extra points they need to compensate for lost surface area and added xmax. The amount of money used in its design to component this. Sure, You can spend 1,000 on a 10" sub. But for $600 I can buy a 12" sub that will sound as good if not better. One main aspect of creating bass is the goal of moving air, obviously a 12" has more cone area then a 10" driver.

My point being, that I want a 12" because of its value, and I really don't care what any tests on paper say..

a 10" does not have the same musical tone as a 12" driver, just like a 15" driver doesn't sound like a 12" driver. If a 10" subwoofer sounded like a 12" or 15" driver I have no idea why anyone would not want that, I mean they are smaller and more compact. Why in the world do people buy 12" or 15" woofers, heck lets all buy 8" woofers.

Specs or diagrams are cool and all, but ears do not lie.
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You did ask for other suggestions so I will the STF-3 from HSU. You can find plenty of threads about it here and HTF. Im in the same exact dilema as yourself and havent decided yet.
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Interesting comments, Stonepran. I certainly disagree with almost everything you posted, based on my DIY experience, but there's much more that goes into a good post than just facts.
What makes the "musical tone"of a 12" driver better than a 10", or different from a 15"? Leaving out output, or just your impressions, try to provide some facts or evidence.
Always trying to learn...thanks.

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