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getech... Hmmm???

Are you the getech that is a disenfranchised JL Audio dealer?


Yes, getech is the disenfranchised JL Audio dealer now turned JL Audio troll.

 

 

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In better news I am getting my second f112 in March. This way dual f113's and dual f112's. When its done I will post pics of the sub human family.

Ask yourself mortal , do you have as much displacement as me ? The answer is no unless you have a Windmere fan sub.
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Hey that's great news.We definitely want to see the pics. I just picked up dual F113's last week.

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Apparently getech can only read others' opinions, because the two appendages on the sides of his head don't work!
One day he will discover what they are for.
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Apparently getech can only read others' opinions, because the two appendages on the sides of his head don't work!
One day he will discover what they are for.

Are you referring to testicles?

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I know that this thread is dedicated to the f113, but am curious what you guys think.

I have an f113 in my HT that is appox 13x22x8, with cathedral ceilings that go to probably 10'. This opens up to my kitchen and front hallway, the former probably about the same dimensions as the HT room. I've recently kicked around the idea of selling my f113 and getting a Gotham, but have this fear that it will completely overpower the room. A second f113 is also possible, but the Gotham is a fascinating option, and am looking for some feedback. An in-home demo is out of the question obviously. Thoughts?
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if your room can handle dual fathoms, it can handle a gotham. go for it!!

shut up 'dual Fathoms are better people', you guys wanna see a gotham or not?

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I know that this thread is dedicated to the f113, but am curious what you guys think.

I have an f113 in my HT that is appox 13x22x8, with cathedral ceilings that go to probably 10'. This opens up to my kitchen and front hallway, the former probably about the same dimensions as the HT room. I've recently kicked around the idea of selling my f113 and getting a Gotham, but have this fear that it will completely overpower the room. A second f113 is also possible, but the Gotham is a fascinating option, and am looking for some feedback. An in-home demo is out of the question obviously. Thoughts?

If you are looking for more LFE, then the Gotham will certainly give you that. I don't think it will overpower your open room. In fact, even the mighty Gotham will not pressurize a large open space like that but it will sound incredible .

BTW, I'm one of those dual Fathom owners whom have been instructed not to recommend same.

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haha. now I feel guilty.

minardi, if you search this thread, you will see Manville (JL rep) say that DUAL fathoms will outgun the Gotham plus you get placement flexibility.

but they will NOT BE AS COOL as the gotham

if you get the gotham, you can come back here and tell everyone in this thread (since it's the fathom thread) that you're cooler.

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This was Mr. Smiths quote and comment on the Gotham and dual Fathoms.

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Pradeep, the Gotham is similar in performance to what you could expect from a pair of f113's stacked one on top of the other. The Gotham's drivers are a bit different (as is the net box volume per driver) and there is a little bit less power (3800W vs 5000 on the twin f113's), but it all works out about the same in terms of response and SPL.

Feature-wise, the Gotham and the Fathoms are identical. So, in essence Nethomas is correct that the premium for the Gotham is mostly for its cosmetic effect. Given the choice, I would go with multiple Fathoms and distribute them to create a large zone of smooth bass response. We used six f112's at CEDIA this year all along the front wall of the room spread out laterally with a couple displaced vertically and the bass was the best bass we've had yet. For real-world theaters, a pair of smartly placed f113's is a pretty outstanding package.

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It would be nice to have that Gotham no doubt. Brilliant eye candy. A couple of the guys over at the 20K forum as you know have them and I think OB has two in his theater. Yet, having the Gotham definitely makes you an exclusive AVS'er. However, having 4 Fathom's places you in the Elite AVS'er category. Me, I got one and ran out of room for another unless I'd knock a wall out!!

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actually, having 4 wouldn't be special ... Bogg already has 4

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get the Gotham

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actually, having 4 wouldn't be special ... Bogg already has 4

"be a man!" - Russell Peters

get the Gotham

I know.. Maybe he needs 4 Fathoms and 2 Gotham's?? Now wouldn't that be something else??

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yep, who needs speakers when you can have 7 subwoofers and one center channel speaker = 7.1

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One Gotham is great...four Fathom subs are simply better performers. Say dual f113's and dual f112's.

Yep yep,front row and backed by a few large EBS monsters. Should be plenty O headroom in the room.


Two identical quality subs are always better than one slightly higher output.Unless you have two of these ...Gotham subs.

Ask yourself mortal , do you have as much displacement as me ? The answer is no unless you have a Windmere fan sub.
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Four Gothams would pretty much settle this whole argument.
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yep, who needs speakers when you can have 7 subwoofers and one center channel speaker = 7.1


...or is that 1.7?

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Four Gothams would pretty much settle this whole argument.

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Are we talking about $40K? How about a kidney instead?

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Four Gothams would pretty much settle this whole argument.

are you buying me lunch down in Pembroke Mall if that happens?
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...or is that 1.7?

I thought the same thing last evening, but my math skills after 8 PM just seem to go away.

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MS

Are we talking about $40K? How about a kidney instead?

Well, you don't need two kidneys, but you do need at least two subwoofers.
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Well, you don't need two kidneys, but you do need at least two subwoofers.

Sounds like the new JL marketing slogan.

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Four Gothams would pretty much settle this whole argument.

that would take care of the LFE channel

don't forget 7 more for the other channels

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actually, having 4 wouldn't be special ... Bogg already has 4

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get the Gotham

dammit, I am special, my momma says so!

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Thanks for the comments - - a few made me laugh!

Dual f113s while possible, wouldn't be my first choice due to placement of a second and its cabling. Optimally I'd place the second on the opposite wall of the one I have, but there's a six foot patio door there along with the dog's bed. That would leave me with the corners . . . not good.

The Gotham is an interesting idea becase I can put one in the same footprint as my f113. But dropping that kind of coin for one without actually trying it in my room would be a colossal leap of faith. If for some reason it doesn't work out, my buyer's remorse would be epic.
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I'd go with another F113. Save the cash and figure out the cabling arrangement.

You need AC (it would be great if it was on the same circuit as F113 #1 if not a circuit on the same phase ie: same side of panel) and a balanced (XLR) cable between the two subs (this can be a good quality mic cable even such as Whirlwind for example or just make one, pins 1-1, 2-2 and 3-3).

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The Gotham is an interesting idea becase I can put one in the same footprint as my f113. But dropping that kind of coin for one without actually trying it in my room would be a colossal leap of faith. If for some reason it doesn't work out, my buyer's remorse would be epic.

You gotta have faith, man!

You know how the f113 performs, now imagine it with about 6dB more headroom, a bit more resolution and looking dead sexy, too.
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msmith_jl :

Just a question: If one have a pre/pro with 2 or 3 balanced outputs (XLR) for subwoofer, LFE left and right. What is best way to go.. have two F113 connected to each of outputs on processor or connect two f123 in a chain and one cable to processor ?

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