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Would the Fathom 112 be enough for a 1600 cubic foot room (20x11x7) or would I get more from the 113? The room is 99% movies. Also, is it ok to point the woofer to the side or does it have to point toward the listening area?

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Rich ... The 112 would be very potent in a 1600^3 foot room, but if the extra $$$$ are not a problem, then go with the 113. You can never have too much bass ...

The Ear and Junr - The DD-15 sounds identical to a DD-18, it just won't play quite as loud. It would be fun to add the Revel and Paradigm at a later date.
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We are waiting for the arrival of 1. Mark Seaton's SUBmersive and 2. AV123's Mark Seaton designed BMF ...

I "think" the SUBmersive will arrive by early December ... and the BMF in early 2007.

Right now, the Fathom has the "benchmark" status, with it receiving 106 points against the Velodyne's 100 points as the previous benchmark.

However, before completing the write-up, it seemed prudent to wait for the 2 other offerings.

Cool, thanks for the heads up and for all this testing you are doing. It's very helpful! I'm getting a f113 to test out myself next week in my home. Can't wait!

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Rich ... The 112 would be very potent in a 1600^3 foot room, but if the extra $$$$ are not a problem, then go with the 113. You can never have too much bass ...

The Ear and Junr - The DD-15 sounds identical to a DD-18, it just won't play quite as loud. It would be fun to add the Revel and Paradigm at a later date.

I know the DD15 sounds identical to a DD18,would be fun to include smaller versions for SPL max sake (mainly).

Ask yourself mortal , do you have as much displacement as me ? The answer is no unless you have a Windmere fan sub.
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btw, where is Seaton these days? I invited him to demo his subs at our meet this weekend, but emails to Mark are seemingly going into a black hole. I take it his subs aren't quite ready yet?

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John, I think your post will be better addressed if you started your own tread. This one is a discussion on the Fanthom 113. Don't get upset if I did, just trying to help.

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Johnny,

I have a RT-10d and the f113,a JL Audio sub VS Klipsch any day. Not just question of SPL,but quality and integration.

The RT-12 will have more output than the RT-10d,still the f113 by a landslide.

Ask yourself mortal , do you have as much displacement as me ? The answer is no unless you have a Windmere fan sub.
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These JL subs are almost like my dream come true subs. gotham especially, it is awe inspire!!!!!!
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Hey people,post some pics of your JL Audio subs.Lets keep this thread alive.

Who will buy a GOTHAM? I know I will

Ask yourself mortal , do you have as much displacement as me ? The answer is no unless you have a Windmere fan sub.
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John, I think your post will be better addressed if you started your own tread. This one is a discussion on the Fanthom 113. Don't get upset if I did, just trying to help.

You are right about that sorry, comparisons would be fine but my question should be in a different thread.

What I will ask then is 1 Fathom 113 suitable for this room or do I need 2 X Fathoom 112 (or 113's):

My living room size is 2933 cubic feet (ceiling is 8 feet high).

[Lastly, there are 2 doorways (With sliding doors) leading into the room that I can't control so while the room volume is just under 3000 cubic feet I know that the bass situation isn't ideal since the room isn't sealed...]

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Johnny my room is about 3200cu. ft. and I run two of the F113s. They are more than enough and frankly, I could probably get by with one. But, I wanted two. The Gotham will fill the nich of very beautiful and expensive sub for those that demand it. Manville told me that I would be better served with two Fathoms. Plus they are available now and the gotham won't be here until around July '07.

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Johnny, I have one in about the same size room. It does the job quite nicely. While I would love to have two, too much is never enough, it's really not necessary.

I would suggest you try one first. Its gonna knock your socks off!
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nethomas and bcurry thanks for the info!

I think I'll go with one for starters and go from there (since my budget at this time would only allow me to purchase one anyways).

Thanks.
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Does anybody know whether f113 has 220V version for European or Asian countries??
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Does anybody know whether f113 has 220V version for European or Asian countries??

See post #116 in this thread. According to Manville Smith from JL Audio, they do not have a 230V 50Hz version, yet.

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Just added a f112. JL Audio subs are nothing short of world class,perfect match with Thiel,Dyanudio and Totem Probably any quality deserving refined sub bass.

REL...what is that? Who needs a REL when you have a JL Audio? Not me

In fact both REl and JL Audio subs share a common trait,they integrate perfectly with ease,getting out of the way.Only the JL Audio uses a better driver,more capable amp and can play at levels no REL even slightly larger can compete.

Ask yourself mortal , do you have as much displacement as me ? The answer is no unless you have a Windmere fan sub.
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How well would a F112 or F113 integrate with Paradigms Millenia speakers? Millenia 300 as fronts, Millenia 30 as centers and Millenia 20's or ADPs as rears? Would this sub be overkill for these type speakers or make them comparable to Studio series floorstanders.

Havent quite decided between the paradigm millenias or Studios, the Jl being the sub im going to pair them up with.
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How well would a F112 or F113 integrate with Paradigms Millenia speakers? Millenia 300 as fronts, Millenia 30 as centers and Millenia 20's or ADPs as rears? Would this sub be overkill for these type speakers or make them comparable to Studio series floorstanders.

Havent quite decided between the paradigm millenias or Studios, the Jl being the sub im going to pair them up with.

Get the Paradigm Studio in place of the Millenia,you can cut the sub much lower and have a better integration.

Both JL's will integrate to perefection with the Studio series.The Millenia,I simply do not like mains that cannot have proper output down to 40Hz.You have to cut them higher,and the localisation of the sub becomes an issue.

Ask yourself mortal , do you have as much displacement as me ? The answer is no unless you have a Windmere fan sub.
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If the F13 uses a 13w7 driver could I put two these built into the corners of rear wall (Ridgid fiberglass and 2x4in front of cement blocks ) and drive them with my classe ca 300 and use a Velodyne SMS-1 parametric equalizer to control them? The rest of the system is B&W 802d with HTM1d and a Cary Cinema 6, VTL and Conrad johnson Amps . My room is 13x16x7 . Would this work? I sheetrocked off the corners already for sound and do have a couple extra lines run. Just a thought. Would it be close or not even?
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Yes, you could do that. But I don't think it will be the same.

The f113 13w7 is not the same driver as the car audio 13w7 per JL Audio. You can find more information on JL's web site. The f113 also uses a JL designed 2500 watt amplifier as well as their own A.R.O. (Automatic Room Correction).

So, my money would be on the not even close bet.

One f113 would be killer in your room size.
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How is it modified? Looks like the same woofer visually. I think the sms would give me more flexibility than the single band peq (A.R.O) on the f113. The ca 300 will put out 1700 w at 4 ohm so that should plenty at 3ohm. I would still have to figure how to vent it back out of the wall. The walls are double sheetrocked and stuffed with owens corning 705. Might be worth a experiment. I already have the amp. And either way the SMS might be a nice upgrade for the F113 and if dont like the results I could make the corners bass traps and upgrade the Alpine in the car or dump it on ebay. What else is missing seems too easy? I think I can set the crossovers with the cary cinema 6 or the sms. Anybody know what are the differences or changes where made if any in the woofer in the f113 and the 13w7?
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These questions have been answered in THIS thread, you just need to READ the whole thread...

I know its long, 19+ pages but the answer is here..
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How is it modified? Looks like the same woofer visually. I think the sms would give me more flexibility than the single band peq (A.R.O) on the f113. The ca 300 will put out 1700 w at 4 ohm so that should plenty at 3ohm. I would still have to figure how to vent it back out of the wall. The walls are double sheetrocked and stuffed with owens corning 705. Might be worth a experiment. I already have the amp. And either way the SMS might be a nice upgrade for the F113 and if dont like the results I could make the corners bass traps and upgrade the Alpine in the car or dump it on ebay. What else is missing seems too easy? I think I can set the crossovers with the cary cinema 6 or the sms. Anybody know what are the differences or changes where made if any in the woofer in the f113 and the 13w7?

You can sure give it a try but I do not think it will perform like the Fathoms. JL designed the entire package from the ground up to work the way they wanted it to. Every component of it. The A.R.O. is not the only signal processing going on in the amp I assure you. Also, if you plan to make it a sealed alignment like the Fathoms are, there is no way on earth that drywall is going to hold the pressure.

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HTM1D450mb...

The magnet is substantially larger (more powerful), the t-yoke is different, the top-plate is different and the voice coil is different. Only the basket, suspension and cone assembly are shared with the car version.

If you want to see them side by side you can go here
http://home.jlaudio.com/multimedia_p...hp?page_id=15#
and click on "Loudspeaker Technology"

Another thing that needs to be considered is the signal processing applied inside the Fathom (apart from A.R.O.) to flatten the response and optimize the overall design. A.R.O. is a very effective tool for dealing with the room's acoustics but is not the only equalizer in play.

That being said, I'm sure a fantastic HT subwoofer could be designed using our standard car audio 13W7, but it would need a bigger enclosure, a very powerful amplifier and some careful attention to eq and box design to achieve comparable results to the f113. I'm not sure it would be less expensive, either. But, if you want to do it, it could be a fun and rewarding project.

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HTM1D450mb...

The magnet is substantially larger (more powerful), the t-yoke is different, the top-plate is different and the voice coil is different. Only the basket, suspension and cone assembly are shared with the car version.

If you want to see them side by side you can go here
http://home.jlaudio.com/multimedia_p...hp?page_id=15#
and click on "Loudspeaker Technology"

Another thing that needs to be considered is the signal processing applied inside the Fathom (apart from A.R.O.) to flatten the response and optimize the overall design. A.R.O. is a very effective tool for dealing with the room's acoustics but is not the only equalizer in play.

That being said, I'm sure a fantastic HT subwoofer could be designed using our standard car audio 13W7, but it would need a bigger enclosure, a very powerful amplifier and some careful attention to eq and box design to achieve comparable results to the f113. I'm not sure it would be less expensive, either. But, if you want to do it, it could be a fun and rewarding project.

Best regards,

Manville Smith
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the 4" excursion... JESUS!!

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Are the drivers the same in the Gothom and the Fathom do they both have the 4'' excursion?
I quess I can sell the ca 300 and put it towards a new Fathom. Thanks Craig
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Both f113 and Gotham use woofers with a more potent motor in every way,compared to the impressive classic W7!

A heck of a woofer,one that outdisplaces even ubber 15" woofers the competition makes! Competitors have to resort to using dual 15" woofers to move this much air(compared to a single JL)!

Cannot wait for the GOTHAM

Now please JL,release the ultimate sealed sub(Gotham) when it is ready,100% ready.

Ask yourself mortal , do you have as much displacement as me ? The answer is no unless you have a Windmere fan sub.
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A heck of a woofer,one that outdisplaces even ubber 15" woofers the competition makes!

Who is this competition you speak of?
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What WillD said.

Only time will tell what the future holds...so until then JAM LIKE THERES NO TOMORROW!
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What Will and Exo said.

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