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The F113 is being delivered in about one hour. Replaces a Klipsch reference 12.

Can anyone provide a thread link for test DVD scenes...I'm on the way home and forgot to search last evening.

Many thanks to all who have posted reviews/info in this thread....made the decision a no-brainer of sorts.

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Let us know your impressions KShep. Good or bad.

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Manville,

Any danger do the subwoofer possible by leaving it in the "on" position? (not playing all the time, just turned on....)

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Shouldn't be a problem. It will draw about 10-20W, though. You can always toggle it on and off manually (one nice thing about front mounted controls.)

Based on your report, our engineers ran a quick test on two production Fathoms. Using a 50 Hz sinewave applied to one XLR input, we found that the sub turns on at about 20 mV. It will turn off if the signal remains at 5 mV or less for 30 minutes. 50 mV is a pretty low threshold and I'm surprised that you're having a problem with this.
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Hey Manville I am basically down the street from you in Pembroke Pines....Who sells your subs so I can get a listen? Thanks

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Shouldn't be a problem. It will draw about 10-20W, though. You can always toggle it on and off manually (one nice thing about front mounted controls.)

Based on your report, our engineers ran a quick test on two production Fathoms. Using a 50 Hz sinewave applied to one XLR input, we found that the sub turns on at about 20 mV. It will turn off if the signal remains at 5 mV or less for 30 minutes. 50 mV is a pretty low threshold and I'm surprised that you're having a problem with this.

Manville,

I don't really think I am having a "problem". I think it is just the fact that my normal TV listening levels are quite low. That combined with the fact that there is not a lot of signal going to the sub during normal DirectTV broadcasts.

Thanks for the reply. 10-20w is not enough draw to be concerned about.

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Manville,

I don't really think I am having a "problem". I think it is just the fact that my normal TV listening levels are quite low. That combined with the fact that there is not a lot of signal going to the sub during normal DirectTV broadcasts.

Thanks for the reply. 10-20w is not enough draw to be concerned about.

-Eli

Yes TJEli, I have the same problem too. But it's not a problem for me either.
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The F113 is being delivered in about one hour. Replaces a Klipsch reference 12.

Can anyone provide a thread link for test DVD scenes...I'm on the way home and forgot to search last evening.

Many thanks to all who have posted reviews/info in this thread....made the decision a no-brainer of sorts.

~Kenny

Good choice I think you will love it, I certainly do. I've had experience with other Subs in the past in my HT system and still have an SVS PB 12plus/2, the f113 is a no brainer. By far and away the best sub I have purchased. Hate to sound like a fan boy, but I guess I am, Oh well!
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Try this KShep
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=755493
This one may be in there but here it is by itself
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=505286

Thank you.

To coin a phrase recently posted....she "digs deep".

I'll need to listen to a few more sources before I can post an educated review.

Cubic volume for this room is voluminous as the house is open design....I may need another one to compensate.

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Thank you.

To coin a phrase recently posted....she "digs deep".

I'll need to listen to a few more sources before I can post an educated review.

Cubic volume for this room is voluminous as the house is open design....I may need another one to compensate.

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view from sub position


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Well hurry up and listen I want to know how it does in that open area.

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That sub has a nice view...beautiful home.

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That sub has a nice view...beautiful home.

Doubtfull if it will ever want to leave..
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That sub has a nice view...beautiful home.

Thanks. It is very comfortable most of the time....my g/f visits on the weekends and is less than diligent about putting stuff away.

First impression is that the Klipsch is much easier to move. It is also difficult for me to come to terms with the fact that I have replaced a good performing sub w/two 12's for this one.

Since I am not able to drive both right now to compare them (I had to move the Klipsch to a secret location before g/f shows up) I'll just give initial impressions and a reading or two.

This space is an acoustic nightmare. I am in the kitchen now listening to a DTS reproduction of "Gaucho". The Radio Shack SPL meter set at a "C" weighting 80 dB reads ~75dB when I place it near the couch in the living room. This is where the mic was placed for self-calibration. I have no clue as to the significance of these readings...just passing along the info.

up here in the kitchen I'm getting a ~66dB reading. We did not reconfig the Arcam AVR350 sub settings. Source is an Arcam DV29. Interconnects are Moon Audio, Cardas terminations, Ram speaker cables w/WBT terminations....AudioQuest sub cable...mid-grade.

I am hearing and feeling a more 'civilized' response from the lower frequencies...they seem to just melt away as opposed to disappearing in a flash.

Must prepare for g/f's arrival...more later. If there are any specific queries I will do my best to respond....I am but a consumer though and not tech savvy in the least.

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Can anyone direct me to a dealer in the Utah area. Website gives no dealers, looking to purchase an f113.
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Can anyone direct me to a dealer in the Utah area. Website gives no dealers, looking to purchase an f113.

Send a private message to Manville_JL, and he should be able to help you out.

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KShep,

That is one huge space to fill! Looking great,now I think it all depends at what max SPL you listen to music and movies.

As one could be plenty or a few not enough.

Ask yourself mortal , do you have as much displacement as me ? The answer is no unless you have a Windmere fan sub.
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Ahh, I can see the scheduling constraints you're under. Timing is everything.

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Can anyone who owns or have auditioned a Fathom 110 comment on its qualities compared to the F 112 or similar subwoofer?
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The fathom 110 is not currently available. The only ones available at this time are the 112 & 113 in satin or gloss.

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I'm a jinx

Went to listen to the Fathoms at a different location - my first experience was a disappointment.

Went prepared this time, and had a few familiar things to demo. I was impressed by the location, which shall remain nameless, and the gear looked good (McIntosh, Classe, and B&W). They had the Fathom hooked up and were happy to fire everything up and asked what I had brought along.

Pulled out The Haunting DTS, and went to the bedroom scene. Could instantly tell that this sub had very impressive output. Really moved air and set things to shaking (wood sub floor). Was prepared to be truly impressed as she dives out of the bed (forget the character/actresses name).

Disappointment.

The sub CLEARLY BOTTOMED OUT, and not just on the big one (those familiar with the scene know what I mean). Listened to the rest of the scene, but it didn't get any better.

Told the salesman I'd had enough, and handed over a CD. Enya's Watermark, track 10, The Longships.

It just bottomed out repeatedly. Very bad. The salesman began to apologize, and said he'd never heard this before. He was immediately on the phone with the rep to see if there was a problem. He ended up recalibrating, so I tried Enya again. It was better, but still a LONG ways to go before I would even consider that kind of $$$.

Left quickly saying I would try again after they had a chance to figure out what was wrong.

I currently have a Velodyne F1500R. It reproduces all of The Longships notes accurately (at least to my ears), but not with as much authority and impact as I would like.

I'll give this thing one more try, but right now, I don't get what all the fuss is about.

How long till Seaton gets dealers?

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I'm a jinx

Went to listen to the Fathoms at a different location - my first experience was a disappointment.

Went prepared this time, and had a few familiar things to demo. I was impressed by the location, which shall remain nameless, and the gear looked good (McIntosh, Classe, and B&W). They had the Fathom hooked up and were happy to fire everything up and asked what I had brought along.

Pulled out The Haunting DTS, and went to the bedroom scene. Could instantly tell that this sub had very impressive output. Really moved air and set things to shaking (wood sub floor). Was prepared to be truly impressed as she dives out of the bed (forget the character/actresses name).

Disappointment.

The sub CLEARLY BOTTOMED OUT, and not just on the big one (those familiar with the scene know what I mean). Listened to the rest of the scene, but it didn't get any better.

Told the salesman I'd had enough, and handed over a CD. Enya's Watermark, track 10, The Longships.

It just bottomed out repeatedly. Very bad. The salesman began to apologize, and said he'd never heard this before. He was immediately on the phone with the rep to see if there was a problem. He ended up recalibrating, so I tried Enya again. It was better, but still a LONG ways to go before I would even consider that kind of $$$.

Left quickly saying I would try again after they had a chance to figure out what was wrong.

I currently have a Velodyne F1500R. It reproduces all of The Longships notes accurately (at least to my ears), but not with as much authority and impact as I would like.

I'll give this thing one more try, but right now, I don't get what all the fuss is about.

How long till Seaton gets dealers?


Well I don't have the Haunting DVD. However I can say, I have played U-571, War of the Worlds, Finding Nemo etc. etc...... I have played all at reference level any beyond and have never been close to bottoming out the F113. Only thing I can think of is maybe the dealer had a defective unit.
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It was bottoming out with music too.... Ya something was definatley not right with that unit.
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How big was the room? Room leaking to other places? Was the sub in a corner?
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The dealer must have a defective unit. I would never recomend or far less...buy a subwoofer ...or in this case multiples .Of a sub that bottoms out with various material.NEVER

And FYI I use on eof the biggest sub killers you can have...Pomp & Pipes by Reference Recordings.Try track 4 and 9,it will push any sub beyond its capabilities and fast if it is not designed to restric power to the VC when pushed too far.

I bottomed a few subs and made many cry with these two tracks,the f112 and f113 never showed stress,even at hearing loss inducing output!

You can bottom an SVS at high volume easy with that one.Easy

My HGS18 does a more or less capable rendition as it is too weak to move the air needed to do it justice.The f113 passed with flying colors.

This is subsonic fury below 16hz like you have few,sustined in places.

Ask yourself mortal , do you have as much displacement as me ? The answer is no unless you have a Windmere fan sub.
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How big was the room? Room leaking to other places? Was the sub in a corner?


...mine is in a corner. Bad spot???

I haven't pushed the 113 at all yet and probably will not until Monday evening. How does a novice tell if a sub is 'bottoming out'?
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...mine is in a corner. Bad spot???

Depends. In many rooms the gain you get from corner placement is benificial. My recent subs all have been placed in the 'virtual center' of the room (next to an open kitchen). I asked these questions to get a sense of how this "bottoming" occured.
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...mine is in a corner. Bad spot???

I haven't pushed the 113 at all yet and probably will not until Monday evening. How does a novice tell if a sub is 'bottoming out'?

Corners are fine and in most cases preferable in large rooms.

I wouldn't worry but if it happens, you will know it. My room is as approx as large as yours (very nice looking bachelor pad by the way) and I was playing the F113 pretty agressively today with no bottoming.

Say, shouldn't you be entertaining that GF of yours instead of hanging out on this Forum?


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Definitely something wrong there John. My Fathoms play the Longships the best I have ever heard it. Also played 1812 Overture tonight without any problem. If you know that recording, you know the dynamics are incredable. No problem. The dealer has something set wrong. Try again. There are too many of us here with flawless F113s, we can't all be wrong.

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I know that this sub MUST be better than what I've been exposed to so far. Too many people on this forum have the f113 and sing it's praises.

That's why I say I'm a jinx - if I go near it, it doesn't work right. But until I hear it and am satisfied, no way.

As far a s room set up, I didn't measure. It was a fairly large room, say 12'x20' with a couple of risers for the seating. The sub was on the front wall 3-4 feet from the left corner. It was in a cabinet enclosure (there were several along the front for various subs and equipment), but I don't think corner loading had anything to do with this.

The entrance to the room was two heavy (appearing) doors that were closed. Very little/no light came through. Don't know about "leaking", but it certainly was a tighter room than I have at home. My set up is a room that opens to a lower room and is separated my dark curtains which have little (if any) acoustical properties. Yes, I know it is not a good setup, but it is what I have, and I currently can get the low frequencies.

My concern is that the sub has plenty of output at the low frequencies, but it is not accurate.

I'm pretty sure I'm wrong, so I'll give it it one more try.

Hope it goes better, The sub does have great output. I want to make sure it can hit the lowest frequencies accurately, then I'll check speed and "musicality".

Still trying to be positive.
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...mine is in a corner. Bad spot???

I assume you mean this spot?



If so, FWIW, that's not really an acoustical corner for the wavelengths we're talking about. That small half wall doesn't really come into play... that's more of a midwall location when you look at the whole space. You may get more output if placed in a true corner. But of course, whether or not that will improve the overall sound is another question. Experimentation is key. You have a problematic space... it's large, and based on the layout I'm assuming you desire good response from a wide variety of listening positions. Your best bet is to order several more.

BTW, is that those Ohm speakers with the Walsh drivers (or whatever those cone shaped drivers were called)? I always thought those were interesting. Don't think I've ever actually seen one.


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Hey John, I have The Haunting with Lili Taylor as Eleanor 'Nell' Vance in DTS along with F113. The F113 performed flawlessly during the entire movie. As a matter of fact it was my first time (104db) during that bedroom scene to hear it so clean. My HGS15 would always bottom out during that part. It would also bottom out in WOTW & U571. I don't have that problem anymore. My sub is located here:



It works very well in this location.

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It was in a cabinet enclosure (there were several along the front for various subs and equipment),...

Are you sure it wasn't rattling in the cabinet? Ask them to take it out of the cabinet and see if that helps.

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