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post #271 of 17519 Old 10-24-2006, 05:37 PM
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Ok so when I get me SB12 Plus tomorrow how should I set it up ?
I use a Denon 3805 AVR with Paradigm 40s
So set the main speakers to small, crossover @80 HZ LFE & MAIN
What about the settings on the SB12 Looks like about 7 knobs on there
Phase ?
Room comp I think would set to large 13x25 room
Auto crossover ??
What else does it have ?
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Start with 80 Hz and see how that works out for you.

Turn the crossover on the SVS off. ("Disabled")

Start with the phase at 0, then turn it slowly until you reach a point where the bass sounds the loudest.

It's hard to say what the best setting is for Room Comp. It will vary depending on the room and the placement. Test tones and a db meter would help.

The "Auto" switch is for Auto on/off.

There is a single parametric equalizer which can be used to control a significant peak which you might have in your room. Again, a db meter would be helpful. Otherwise, disable the eq by setting the "level" to "min".

There's gain, of course. Again, test tones and a meter are best, but it can be adjusted by ear to what sounds natural to you. Listen to some music that you are very familiar with and season to taste.

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Ok so when I get me SB12 Plus tomorrow how should I set it up ?
I use a Denon 3805 AVR with Paradigm 40s
So set the main speakers to small, crossover @80 HZ LFE & MAIN
What about the settings on the SB12 Looks like about 7 knobs on there
Phase ?
Room comp I think would set to large 13x25 room
Auto crossover ??
What else does it have ?
Thanks ~

I think you got the basics down ok.

Disable the sub crossover, room comp large, the LFE & MAIN don't do anything when your speakers are set to small nothing to worry about there, LFE crossover at 120Hz. I would start with the volume control at 10 o'clock. Then there is the location issue. With a room that large I would place it near field. I have my Rocket UFW-10 about 5 feet from the sweet spot and it works great in a ~3000 CF room. Your SB12 will be another level above my Rocket of course.

After the PDR-8 you will be amazed by the clean, clear and dynamic musical qualities of your new sub.

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You think I should set the crossover in the denon to 120 Hz seems high
Oh yea by the way I am one of them foks that like alot of bass
My ipod headphones are the Ultimate Ears super.fi 5EB YES The EB stands for EXTRA BASS and I put the Ipod on Bass Boost
Huge bottom-end for funky bass-heads.
The super.fi 5EB have a massive bass kick that might perhaps be just a bit heavy for non-basshead listeners. The bass is definitely warm and VERY thumpy
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Hi

I am setting up a HT / Music system (70 / 30)

the room is 10 by 7 by 3 metres.

I am using a THX Marantz (SR 12) but I have not decided on my speakers yet, probably 3 X MA GS LCR for fronts and some Bronze rears.

I have an old REL Quake (will hook this up for music in stereo)

I look for tight base more than big boomy bass. But size of subs is not a problem.
I have no access to Cylinder subs.

Should I consider a pair of SB 12s or a single PB12+?

I am open to other suggestions and brands too.
Thanks
P
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Hi

I am setting up a HT / Music system (70 / 30)

the room is 10 by 7 by 3 metres.

I am using a THX Marantz (SR 12) but I have not decided on my speakers yet, probably 3 X MA GS LCR for fronts and some Bronze rears.

I have an old REL Quake (will hook this up for music in stereo)

I look for tight base more than big boomy bass. But size of subs is not a problem.
I have no access to Cylinder subs.

Should I consider a pair of SB 12s or a single PB12+?

I am open to other suggestions too.
please help me!
Thanks
P
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Aren't the Hsu subs also available in Aus? SB12 is a sealed sub - that is a completely different experience to the PB12+. I thought the SB12 is intended for situations where size is an issue - if size is not an issue, I suspect SVS would recommend the PB12+ - but the best thing to do is ask SVS.

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For your size room, a PB12+/2 is more in order. If you are willing to spend the price of 2 SB12s, then you can get a premium finish +/2. I know you have a different price structure than we have here, but they should be the same relative prices.

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10/25/2006 5:38 A.M. OUT FOR DELIVERY
Guess who aint goin to work today

My 3 year old just asked me Daddy why do you keep looking out the window
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I have no access to Cylinder subs.


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Hi

I am setting up a HT / Music system (70 / 30)

the room is 10 by 7 by 3 metres.

I am using a THX Marantz (SR 12) but I have not decided on my speakers yet, probably 3 X MA GS LCR for fronts and some Bronze rears.

I have an old REL Quake (will hook this up for music in stereo)

I look for tight base more than big boomy bass. But size of subs is not a problem.
I have no access to Cylinder subs.

Should I consider a pair of SB 12s or a single PB12+?

I am open to other suggestions too.
please help me!
Thanks
P

Sounds like you've got the music covered. For HT since size isn't a problem, go with a large SVS and run both subs.
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10/25/2006 5:38 A.M. OUT FOR DELIVERY
Guess who aint goin to work today

My 3 year old just asked me Daddy why do you keep looking out the window

LOL

I hope you will post some pics and say what you think of it. I`m also looking to buy the same sub.
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UPS man did not come yet Now I am getting Nervous that It wont blow my sox off
I hope he gets hear before the wife gets home from work so I can play with it LOL
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See that? Now you got us all waiting for your UPS guy!
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See that? Now you got us all waiting for your UPS guy!

Tell me about it almost noon & he aint came around yet
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Have you considered a DIY cylinder? They are not too hard to build. If you can get cylindrical tubes to Australia, freight would be a lot less...
Here's a DIY tube site:
http://web.archive.org/web/200402041...um/page12.html
and a couple tube sources:
http://www.psp-inc.com/psp-inc.com/p...e%20Tubes.html
http://www.sonotube.com/products/round.html
And theres LOTS of help here on the DIY forum ...
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You think I should set the crossover in the denon to 120 Hz seems high

I think I was unclear in my suggestions. 80Hz is the best starting place for the "regular" crossover settings for all speakers and all speakers set to small as you mentioned in your post. My Denon 3806 has a separate LFE crossover setting as well as the "regular" crossover settings. I thought the 3805 had the separate LFE crossover setting too, maybe I am wrong on this. What I ment to convey was that if you do have the separate LFE crossover setting, it would usually be set at 120Hz. Sorry for the confusion.

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I have the 3805 and it only has the one Xover setting. When I watch movies, I set all speakers to small and the Xover to 80. When I listen to music, I set the mains to large, the input to stereo, and the Xover to 120 and the sub to LFE+mains. I normally use stereo because I don't like the sound os the matrixed 5.1 or music remastered to 5.1. I have heard some 5.1 mastered DVDs that sound great in 5.1, but not the remastered stuff.

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Yea for me its hooked up
So set the crossover & ran the auto set up on the denon & it seamed like there was not enough lows for me with all speakers and sub set at 0DB
so I gave the svs some more gain
I played with the denons crossover and cranked it way up to 200 and the sub came to LIFE
This is similar to my pdr problems
So I would say I still need tweaking & room placement is probly the best
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I am putting together an inexpensive 2 Channel HI-FI system in my living room for my wife which means I have a whole set of new rules I have to follow. In my Theater room she didn't care when I put in Paradigm 100's,a 570 center,(2) 4' tall waterheater size Subs from SVS, and all the other's hanging on the walls to have a 7 channel system. In the living room everything needs to be small and pretty  which is ok because this is her space, so I'm looking at some compromises I think, but I can only go so far since I'll be listening to the system also. While I knew what I wanted in the theater room I am not as knowledgeable when it comes to music, so I could use help on weather you can get bookshelves such as the Paradigm studio 20's with a small Sub from SVS (only a 14 cube) to sound as good with music as a set of Studio 60's Floor standers with no Sub. Option 2 would be studio 40's ( which as a bass driver) with the same Sub If option 1 can't cover all the mid range. Option 3 would be to convince the wife to go with the Studio 60's Floorstanders with no Sub. Since I can't here these setups in person I would welcome some comments.-Thanks Rob.

Question (short version): Can I get bookshelf speakers on stands with a Sub to sound as good as full range Floorstander Speakers for music?

Proposed 2 Channel Stereo System:

Living Room Size: 12' x 20'
Her Music: Likes Michael Buble vocals, Non classical Piano, Pop, & Young Country
CD Player : NAD C-542
Receiver: Outlaw RR-2150 2 Channel with Bass Management (100watt per channel).

Note: I haven't settled on using Paradigms but they are hi on my list as I will have to go with my wife to do the looks (small is good) vs. sound testing with what's available locally.

Option 1
Paradigm Studio 20's- 2-Driver, 2-way,7 midrange driver, 36hz low extension, 15x8-1/4x 12-3/4
SVS SB-12plus Sub- 12 Bass Driver, 25hz low extension, only 14x14x15

Option 2
Paradigm Studio 40's- 3-Driver,2-1/2-way,7 midrange,7 Bass, 36hz low extension, 22x8-1/4x 12-3/4
SVS SB-12plus Sub- 12 Bass Driver, 25hz low extension, only 14x14x15

Option 3
Paradigm Studio 60's- 3-Driver,2-1/2-way,7 midrange,7 Bass, 30hz low extension,40-1/2x 8-1/4x 17
No Sub
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Either option with the sub will hit with more authority than the third..
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I have set up 2 and FYI the 40's do not come close to 36Hz They roll off about 63 Hs I found out the hard way
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Yea for me its hooked up
So set the crossover & ran the auto set up on the denon & it seamed like there was not enough lows for me with all speakers and sub set at 0DB
so I gave the svs some more gain
I played with the denons crossover and cranked it way up to 200 and the sub came to LIFE
This is similar to my pdr problems
So I would say I still need tweaking & room placement is probly the best

Crossover at 200Hz? Yikes! I think some setup basics are in order here Antman.

www.audioholics.com/techtips/setup/index
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>Crossover at 200Hz? Yikes! I think some setup basics are in order here Antman.

ditto.
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It is me /my room/placement or what BUT when I set the sub properly crossover @ 80 Hz and all speakers to 0DB HT sounds fine & get plenty of rumble from the sub BUT when I switch over to stereo & listen to music I feel the need to turn the gain on the sub up
When set properly it sesms like a lack of lows
Any sugestions ?
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It is me /my room/placement or what BUT when I set the sub properly crossover @ 80 Hz and all speakers to 0DB HT sounds fine & get plenty of rumble from the sub BUT when I switch over to stereo & listen to music I feel the need to turn the gain on the sub up
When set properly it sesms like a lack of lows
Any sugestions ?

More than likely, it is the same issue a lot of us have had. We are used to turning up the bass boost when we listen to music to enhance the low end. The music wasn't recorded with enhanced bass, so we do it during playback. Now that you are hearing bass the way it was put down, it seems ungratifying, so you boost it.

You might look for the bass boost setting on your AVR. Just turning that up might be easier than changing the Xover, sub gain, and whatever other settings you are tinkering with.

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It is me /my room/placement or what BUT when I set the sub properly crossover @ 80 Hz and all speakers to 0DB HT sounds fine & get plenty of rumble from the sub BUT when I switch over to stereo & listen to music I feel the need to turn the gain on the sub up
When set properly it sesms like a lack of lows
Any sugestions ?

Questions:

1. Have you disabled the crossover on the back of the sub? Make sure you have done that. Also turn the "MIN" "MAX" knob on the parametric contols to "MIN" unless you are sure that there is a particular peak in response that you have measured.

2. Why are you assuming that setting all speakers to 0 db is the proper setting? Unless all of the speakers including the sub are exactly the same efficiency in their particular location, setting them all to 0 is not likely to match their actual relative volume.

Do yourself a favor. Go to Radio Shack and invest in a SPL meter, typically about $45. Use test tones to properly balance out the system, then season the bass to your taste afterward.
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Thanks mojomike
Yes the crossover is disabled
all of the PEQ is set to min
I do have a digital SPL but did not get a chance to use it
I ued the denon mic and ran the auto set up from my 3805 to calabrate all speakers to 0DB
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>I do have a digital SPL but did not get a chance to use it
I ued the denon mic and ran the auto set up from my 3805 to calabrate all speakers to 0DB<<br />
Try your spl meter. I have the 3805, and it sets my speakers to different settings. -1, -2, +1.5, etc. If you ran auto-setup correctly and they all came out an even 0, I find that hard to believe if the unit is functioning properly and you ran it properly.
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Which Denon do you have? Some have "Personal Memory" buttons where you can set things like the type of surround, the input, and especially the various channel levels and sub level for a particular type of source. If you have a Denon with those, you can have one set of parameters for music and a different set for HT, and possibly a third that is different from the other two.
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