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ransac's Avatar ransac
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OH dear lord! I'll never be able to gain approval from my wife!!!

The SVS is only 31" high and 16" diameter.
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OH dear lord! I'll never be able to gain approval from my wife!!!

That picture creates the illusion that the 25-31 is much bigger than it is. From the pic, I'd swear it was bigger than my 16-46 PC+. Not that the 25-31 is exactly petite; it just isn't that big.
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The Advent is 12x12x15 High(including feet)
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yeah, i figured the box was just small. The illusion in that picture is that the cylinder is nearly as big as the oven behind it. I could just see my wife's face if I showed her that picture "WHAT! you want a subwoofer as big as an oven!"
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yeah, i figured the box was just small. The illusion in that picture is that the cylinder is nearly as big as the oven behind it. I could just see my wife's face if I showed her that picture "WHAT! you want a subwoofer as big as an oven!"

It's about as tall as a oven give or a take an inch
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Best thing to do would be to line up some photos of the 16-46, 20-39, and 25-31 and show her how small the 25-31 is compared to other subwoofers
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Is the diffrence between PB10nsd and PB12nsd a big one.

The pb12 is 200$ more i prefer to pay now than later if its
worth it

Sorry wrong tread thought this was official svs tread
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Is the diffrence between PB10nsd and PB12nsd a big one.

The pb12 is 200$ more i prefer to pay now than later if its
worth it
Nick250's Avatar Nick250
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If you poke around on the SVS site they are pictured together somewhere. The PB12 looks substantially bigger to me.

Nick
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If you poke around on the SVS site they are pictured together somewhere. The PB12 looks substantially bigger to me.

Nick

I didn't want to know the size wrong wording from my part

Is there a big difference in performance
Nick250's Avatar Nick250
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Ah-ha. It was not a size question. In cubic feet what size is your room including other rooms that are open to the listening room if any.

Nick
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My room is about 4000cubic feet i have a sub rw10 klipsch
i thought whit another sub i would be okay.
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http://www.svsound.com/products-sub.cfm
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How about the VTF-3 HO without turbo?
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So today I played more with my settings and I have my denon set the L&R speakers at 1.5 R .5 for L RS +4 RS +3 and sub +10 with the gain on the sub about 1/4
At low listening the sub still shuts off in auto mode
For HT this sounds great But I still feel the need to turn the gain up another 1/4 for music at low listening levels
BUT when I Cranked up SRV MFSLThe Sky Is Crying [GOLD CD] [ORIGINAL RECORDING REMASTERED] I put it back down a touch
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SVS owners,

I just bought an PB-12Plus/2 for my HT system. I'm telling y'all this thing is off da hook.
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SVS owners,

I just bought an PB-12Plus/2 for my HT system. I'm telling y'all this thing is off da hook.

Werd
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New product literature: "SVS is proud to introduce the behemoth of the Plus subwoofer line: the PB12-Plus/2. It's off da hook!"


SonyWS520Guy's Avatar SonyWS520Guy
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I've seen several threads and info elsewhere about SVS's driver upgrade program to update a sub from the ISD to the NSD driver. However my question is, is it possible or would it be worth it to upgrade a current ISD driver sub to the "Plus" or "Ultra" driver?

I currently have a PB12-ISD. Can I/Should I upgrade the driver to a "Plus" or "Ultra" driver? or would cost, amp, or other factors make this a bad idea?

My PB12-ISD is great, just always looking for more oomph! Thanks
Ron Temple's Avatar Ron Temple
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Originally Posted by SonyWS520Guy View Post

I've seen several threads and info elsewhere about SVS's driver upgrade program to update a sub from the ISD to the NSD driver. However my question is, is it possible or would it be worth it to upgrade a current ISD driver sub to the "Plus" or "Ultra" driver?

I currently have a PB12-ISD. Can I/Should I upgrade the driver to a "Plus" or "Ultra" driver? or would cost, amp, or other factors make this a bad idea?

My PB12-ISD is great, just always looking for more oomph! Thanks

I think the question would be...would a Plus in an older PB12 cabinet and underpowered BASH amp be an improvement over a NSD driver? I kind of doubt it. The boxes and amps are matched for driver applications.
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Just wanted to say that I recently picked up a PB12+2 and think it is an awesome piece of equipment! I've tried the sub in many locations in my living room, but find that putting it right behind my listening position (couch in the corner of the room) gives me the most bang for the buck. I have the sub in the corner with the ports firing into the corner and my couch backed right up the the sub, against the front. This thing moves some serious air and makes movies 100x better than ever before!
Ron Stimpson's Avatar Ron Stimpson
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Sony Guy,

The "only" upgrade path for you is the NSD driver. Flanges, recesses and the actual performance parameters of our woofers/amps tend to paint you into a corner to a degree and we reluctantly hold the line on upgrades. You have to keep within the family.

So Plus customers have had a recent chance to upgrade the the latest generation (you guessed it) Plus woofer. The NSD woofers are what ISD based subs have to swap out if they want. Drop us a line if you want to check one out. Many many have gone out the door and have replaced perfectly good ISD woofers. None have come back, so I'd go out on a limb and say it's worth considering if you are looking for an additional kick (more power handling, more efficiency) with little risk. Drop us a line if you want to try one, takes about 20 min from start to finish.

Ron
SVS
rons@svsound.com
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SonyWS520Guy View Post

I've seen several threads and info elsewhere about SVS's driver upgrade program to update a sub from the ISD to the NSD driver. However my question is, is it possible or would it be worth it to upgrade a current ISD driver sub to the "Plus" or "Ultra" driver?

I currently have a PB12-ISD. Can I/Should I upgrade the driver to a "Plus" or "Ultra" driver? or would cost, amp, or other factors make this a bad idea?

My PB12-ISD is great, just always looking for more oomph! Thanks

I upgraded to the NSD when they had the pre-order offer. Let me tell you in my opinion it is a very noticiable difference in oooomph. The low end definitely hits harder with the new NSD driver over the previous ISD. My only dissapointment was that the new NSD upgrade didn't have that nice rubber wrap around the driver like it originally came with that only fits the ISD. But that's just cosmetics.
Ron Stimpson's Avatar Ron Stimpson
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"My only dissapointment was that the new NSD upgrade didn't have that nice rubber wrap around the driver like it originally came with that only fits the ISD. But that's just cosmetics. "

Dirtraven,

Exactly, though while we finally caught up with upgrade woofer demand we pushed hard on a custom wrap-around gasket for the NSD basket. Drop us a line if you want one (it is or will be soon stocked full in our Ohio factory. The new PB12-NSD is already using a version of it).

But as you noted, once installed it's not like the woofer on any of our downfiring subs will ever see the light of day.

Glad you liked the NSD woofer. There's a small team of people working in two locations that are pretty proud of that driver (even if he was never expected to be the nicest looking kid in school ;^).

Ron
SVS
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Why should I consider a PB-12NSD over a 20-39PCI?


Or Visa Versa....Why the 20-39PCI over the PB-12NSD?
ransac's Avatar ransac
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Quote:
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Why should I consider a PB-12NSD over a 20-39PCI?


Or Visa Versa....Why the 20-39PCI over the PB-12NSD?

PB12:
slightly lower tune (18Hz Vs 20Hz)
lower profile (21" Vs 39")
slightly higher watts (325W Vs 320W)
more comfortable (you can sit on it)

20-39:
smaller footprint (16" Vs 18"x25")
easier to move
different look (conversation piece)
more lovable (you can hug it)

Other than this, not much difference between the two.
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would you guys say the PB10NSD is more musical than the PB12NSD simply because the sub is only 10"???

or should i just go with the PB12NSD if i have the funds?
Nick250's Avatar Nick250
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would you guys say the PB10NSD is more musical than the PB12NSD simply because the sub is only 10"???
or should i just go with the PB12NSD if i have the funds?

I asked SVS about that a while back they said that one is not more musical than the other. I have heard neither however and wonder if one might be more subjectively pleasing to one's ears than the other.

Nick
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The new NSD drivers are very good for their price range. Pretty tight for music, though location within the room will factor considerably in this criteria, (as it will with any driver).
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Ron,

Thanks for the quick answer. I am very happy with my current PB12-ISD, but who isn't always looking for a little more. And with the excellent customer service I've gotten and also the opportunity to ask questions directly with someone in the know on here SVS definitely has a customer for life.

I may think about making an NSD driver upgrade a Christmas present to myself.

Keep up the good work!

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Originally Posted by Ron Stimpson View Post

Sony Guy,

The "only" upgrade path for you is the NSD driver. Flanges, recesses and the actual performance parameters of our woofers/amps tend to paint you into a corner to a degree and we reluctantly hold the line on upgrades. You have to keep within the family.

So Plus customers have had a recent chance to upgrade the the latest generation (you guessed it) Plus woofer. The NSD woofers are what ISD based subs have to swap out if they want. Drop us a line if you want to check one out. Many many have gone out the door and have replaced perfectly good ISD woofers. None have come back, so I'd go out on a limb and say it's worth considering if you are looking for an additional kick (more power handling, more efficiency) with little risk. Drop us a line if you want to try one, takes about 20 min from start to finish.

Ron
SVS
rons@svsound.com


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