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post #7471 of 26226 Old 04-23-2012, 11:43 PM
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I just recently picked up a PC12+ sub on eBay for what I think is a great price ($585) and I was curious about what driver this sub has. It has the 525 watt BASH amp in it and is only a few years old, I think it was part of the last generation with the BASH amp and it has four feet connecting the cylinder to the base plate. (not sure if that matters, I think some of the older ones had 3 feet, just trying to localize the original build time)I can narrow the time frame a little more just by knowing that its indeed a PC12+ and not a 20-39PC+. Is the driver in this sub the same or close to the driver being put in the current line of PC12+'s with the sledge amps in them? I do know that it's not aluminum. I've been searching google for a few days and can't seem to get any definitive info. I figured someone in the forums would be able to help me out.

Also one more thing,
I've been hearing about the customer service at SVS for quite some time and after getting this sub I can now confirm what I've been hearing. I called SVS (on a Saturday no less) and spoke to a guy named Doug, who was quite a cool dude, and he walked me through the entire calibration process as I did it with him on the phone, and my system has never sounded better. In contrast I emailed Pioneer to ask them a question about my reciever on Friday and just finally got a response telling me I should call them instead today (Monday). Any kind of company that is willing to spend the time to help everyone who owns their equipment, even second hand buyers, is one I will continue to deal with. I am thrilled to be an SVS owner, this PC12+ is unlike anything I've ever heard.

If the driver doesn't have an aluminum cone and you know it is a PC12-Plus, it is either a 12.4 or a 12.5 (current). Not much in the way of differences, just some evolutionary changes, with a primary benefit of a bit lower distortion. Per Ed Mullen "The 12.5 has lower distortion in the 40-80 Hz band than the 12.4 due to a motor improvement."

If you send SVS the serial number on the sub they probably will be able to tell you definitively.

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If the driver doesn't have an aluminum cone and you know it is a PC12-Plus, it is either a 12.4 or a 12.5 (current). Not much in the way of differences, just some evolutionary changes, with a primary benefit of a bit lower distortion. Per Ed Mullen "The 12.5 has lower distortion in the 40-80 Hz band than the 12.4 due to a motor improvement."

If you send SVS the serial number on the sub they probably will be able to tell you definitively.

Correct - the 12.3 woof has a black aluminum cone. The 12.4/12.5 drivers have composite pulp/fiberglass cones.

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I just recently picked up a PC12+ sub on eBay for what I think is a great price ($585) and I was curious about what driver this sub has. It has the 525 watt BASH amp in it and is only a few years old, I think it was part of the last generation with the BASH amp and it has four feet connecting the cylinder to the base plate. (not sure if that matters, I think some of the older ones had 3 feet, just trying to localize the original build time)I can narrow the time frame a little more just by knowing that its indeed a PC12+ and not a 20-39PC+. Is the driver in this sub the same or close to the driver being put in the current line of PC12+'s with the sledge amps in them? I do know that it's not aluminum. I've been searching google for a few days and can't seem to get any definitive info. I figured someone in the forums would be able to help me out.

Also one more thing,
I've been hearing about the customer service at SVS for quite some time and after getting this sub I can now confirm what I've been hearing. I called SVS (on a Saturday no less) and spoke to a guy named Doug, who was quite a cool dude, and he walked me through the entire calibration process as I did it with him on the phone, and my system has never sounded better. In contrast I emailed Pioneer to ask them a question about my reciever on Friday and just finally got a response telling me I should call them instead today (Monday). Any kind of company that is willing to spend the time to help everyone who owns their equipment, even second hand buyers, is one I will continue to deal with. I am thrilled to be an SVS owner, this PC12+ is unlike anything I've ever heard.

If you email us the serial number, we can tell you if it's a 12.4 or 12.5 woofer.

Doug is a great asset to our team and a stand-up guy. Holding weekend hours (12-6 Eastern Sat/Sun) has been well received by our customers and gives them a chance to talk to someone in CS during actual set-up and calibration.

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The 12.3 driver is the latest n greatest that the pc+16/46 can accept. Is that correct? I just replaced both my drivers with these, a week ago.

Was surprised that they didn't come with the clip on wire connectors, like the original drivers, and the last upgrade driver that I put in these speakers. Simple dyke n strip the wires, and all was good.

Can't really tell any difference in improvement in bass response.
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The 12.3 driver is the latest n greatest that the pc+16/46 can accept. Is that correct? I just replaced both my drivers with these, a week ago.

Was surprised that they didn't come with the clip on wire connectors, like the original drivers, and the last upgrade driver that I put in these speakers. Simple dyke n strip the wires, and all was good.

Can't really tell any difference in improvement in bass response.

That is correct - the 16-46 PC-Plus woofer mortise in the end-cap can accept the 12.3 woofer, but not the 12.4/12.5.

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I am getting a svs pb12-nsd today I am so excited getting rid of a nice but not as deep velodyne spl 1200r for it. I cannot wait to shake my house. What kind of advice do you all have for setup my room is 19 feet long and 11 feet wide 7 foot ceilings. I am pairing this sub with def tec main rears and center so my system should be awesome for movies.
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I am getting a svs pb12-nsd today I am so excited getting rid of a nice but not as deep velodyne spl 1200r for it. I cannot wait to shake my house. What kind of advice do you all have for setup my room is 19 feet long and 11 feet wide 7 foot ceilings. I am pairing this sub with def tec main rears and center so my system should be awesome for movies.

Nice. The PB12 is excellent for movies. You will definitely notice the increased impact. The SPL1200 is no slouch though especially for music. I own one as well and I prefer it over the PB12-plus for music.

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I just hooked up a PB-13 Ultra 1000 watt sub to my HT system. I disconnected a DefTech 350 watt sub. Would anyone run the DefTech with the SV Sound or is that heresy?
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I just hooked up a PB-13 Ultra 1000 watt sub to my HT system. I disconnected a DefTech 350 watt sub. Would anyone run the DefTech with the SV Sound or is that heresy?

Different strokes. Power is not a direct indicator of volume so your deftech might max out about 4 db below the svs or maybe less. My thought is that when one sub is much more capable in lower frequencies like your svs using the less capable sub along with it is likely to cause problems rather than solve them. Unless you have a room-caused frequency response problem that happens to fit neatly into the deftech's passband IMO it is likely to make the midbass too loud compared to the deeper frequencies rather than add anything useful. But room anomalies make almost anything possible
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I am getting a svs pb12-nsd today I am so excited getting rid of a nice but not as deep velodyne spl 1200r for it. I cannot wait to shake my house. What kind of advice do you all have for setup my room is 19 feet long and 11 feet wide 7 foot ceilings. I am pairing this sub with def tec main rears and center so my system should be awesome for movies.

The PB12-nsd is excellent. I just watched Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol and War Horse. The battle scenes in War Horse had the room rockin'
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Hi Ed.

Do you have the same Bill of Rights with a trade-up subwoofer?
1. If you trade-up to another subwoofer within a year, do you get a 5 year warranty on the new sub?
2. Can you trade-up to another subwoofer with the trade-up subwoofer?

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Hi, I am planing to buy the PB12 PLUS but there are some questions I would like to know.

- Does it come with 4 metal spike for carpet?

- Is it really 127 pounds WITHOUT packaging?

I live on the second floor. I was wondering when they ship it to you; does the shipping carrier guy help you to carry this heavy monster up the stairs? If the shipping carrier person does not help you to carry it up the stairs, I may not buy it.
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Hi, I am planing to buy the PB12 PLUS but there are some questions I would like to know.

- Does it come with 4 metal spike for carpet?

- Is it really 127 pounds WITHOUT packaging?

I live on the second floor. I was wondering when they ship it to you; does the shipping carrier guy help you to carry this heavy monster up the stairs? If the shipping carrier person does not help you to carry it up the stairs, I may not buy it.

I can certainly tell you that it does weigh at least 125 pounds and you definitely need 2 people to safely move it. I was considering the PB12-Plus until I saw two guys struggling to get it into their Honda Cicic If you have hardwood floors, you could slip a thick towel underneath and slide it into place. I have the PB12-nsd which weighs 65 lbs and it's just small and light enough for one person to handle.

It is unlikely the delivery person would help you carry it up the stairs because of liability issues that may arise should an accident occur. Also, it may be against company policy for the delivery person to assist you.
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If weight is a big issue for you--it certainly is for me--then check out the PC12-Plus. Effectively all the performance of a PB Plus, at about 75 pounds.

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If weight is a big issue for you--it certainly is for me--then check out the PC12-Plus. Effectively all the performance of a PB Plus, at about 75 pounds.

But look s like a water heater (in my room)

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But look s like a water heater (in my room)


HA HA HA

I don't particular like the cylinder style but I am sure it sounds good. I will have to find a way to bring it up the stairs. Once I can get it up the stairs, I can move it around myself.
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HA HA HA

I don't particular like the cylinder style but I am sure it sounds good. I will have to find a way to bring it up the stairs. Once I can get it up the stairs, I can move it around myself.

The cyclinders seem easier to move compared to my equal weight box sub lol

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The cyclinders seem easier to move compared to my equal weight box sub lol



I got an idea, once I get it, I will take it apart to make it lighter to bring it up the stairs. Like taking the 12 inch driver out would for sure bring down the weight.
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I got an idea, once I get it, I will take it apart to make it lighter to bring it up the stairs. Like taking the 12 inch driver out would for sure bring down the weight.

Id say just call some friends over to help

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Hi, I am planing to buy the PB12 PLUS but there are some questions I would like to know.

- Does it come with 4 metal spike for carpet?

- Is it really 127 pounds WITHOUT packaging?

I live on the second floor. I was wondering when they ship it to you; does the shipping carrier guy help you to carry this heavy monster up the stairs? If the shipping carrier person does not help you to carry it up the stairs, I may not buy it.

Just to add, the sub comes in a very large box and on a pallet. I was able to get it in my house on my own but I didn't have to deal with any stairs.

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Just to add, the sub comes in a very large box and on a pallet. I was able to get it in my house on my own but I didn't have to deal with any stairs.

You must be in excellent shape? Moving something that large would have given me a hernia
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You must be in excellent shape? Moving something that large would have given me a hernia

A lot more dragging then lifting was involved. I did have a sports hernia repaired last year though...lol

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A lot more dragging then lifting was involved. I did have a sports hernia repaired last year though...lol

Ouch! You must have recovered quickly.

How did you move it around the room? Did you do a "crawl" test?
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Ouch! You must have recovered quickly.

How did you move it around the room? Did you do a "crawl" test?

The sub comes with a soft cloth cover over it that actually makes it pretty easy to drag on carpeting. I didn't do a crawl test because I only really had one spot for it in my setup. Worked out good though after running EQ in the receiver.

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The sub comes with a soft cloth cover over it that actually makes it pretty easy to drag on carpeting. I didn't do a crawl test because I only really had one spot for it in my setup. Worked out good though after running EQ in the receiver.

I was going to get the PB12-plus but I needed to move it into the basement and I didn't want to take any chances.

I thought about the PC12-plus but I find it looks too much like a cat scratching post. And I have cats
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I was going to get the PB12-plus but I needed to move it into the basement and I didn't want to take any chances.

I thought about the PC12-plus but I find it looks too much like a cat scratching post. And I have cats

Yeah I think the PCs look a little odd in a living room setup but in a dedicated room or basement they are kinda cool...

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I have the PB -13 Ultra, 1000 watt... What do fellow Pioneer SC-57 owners do to EQ the sub since MCACC does not do it?
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Yeah I think the PCs look a little odd in a living room setup but in a dedicated room or basement they are kinda cool...

I gave it a try lol
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For those who have the PB12 PLUS, can you really feel the bass hitting you during blu-ray action movies?
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