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post #1261 of 18798 Old 03-29-2007, 01:17 PM
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So which movie did you watch first?

I tested "Flight of the pheonix" from the sandstorm chapter.

The previous reigning giant of LFE was Titan A.E. followed by WotW (imo).

When I didnt even have the gain turned up past 1/3 and overall volume wasn't too loud n the woofer looked to be at its limits (no portnoise or audible artifacts to report though) and fairly strong output.

For those who can pick this dvd up in the bargain bin, i would suggest it, great demo material.
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I just pulled the trigger on a pb10-nsd. I was at barretts home theater and listened to the klipsch rw12d and although it was nice it's $699. I then went to my brother's house and listened to his pb10-isd. For the money I'm sold on SVS. I'm excited as this is replacing a dayton sub-120.

I'll have to let you know how my switch-a-roo goes. My wedding is 2 months away and my fiancee hasn't been too happy that i've been looking at subs so i'm going to switch it out and not tell her. If she doesn't notice by sight hopefully she'll notice when we watch a movie and she feels it. hehehe

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What would be the signs/symptoms in dual not co-located PB12/+2's?
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Drop in normal SPL would be the first thing I'd think of.....get out the SPL meter and compare the numbers with what you used to get...

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Turn of the main speakers and just listen to the subs. Listen for any bad sounds.
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Anybody feeding a PB10 off a sound card sub/LFE output? I've got an Audigy2 that's going to be driving a 2.1 system just attempting to narrow down what my sub potentials are going to be. I _think_ that the Creative cards do a decent job of handling subwoofer crossover but I've never verified that.

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The audigy2's do a great job with bass. I loved my desktop for that reason. Killer response from a computer soundcard. You'll love it.

Bass IS the best...
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Just pulled the trigger on a PB12-NSD/2 to go along with the Rocket 850s, 200 and 300s I ordered yesterday. Guess how excited I am?!
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Just pulled the trigger on a PB12-NSD/2 to go along with the Rocket 850s, 200 and 300s I ordered yesterday. Guess how excited I am?!

not very?

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Hello would you think the SVS PB12-NSD/2 would be too much for my room?
Room is 11X19 and is in the bottom floor of a townhouse.
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I'm going to get my PB10 replacement woofer/3.0 set svs bookie tomorrow due to cosmetic issues on the cone of the driver and decided to pull the driver now and take a snapshot of the woofer,amp and enclosure. Just to reduce the hassle tomorrow and get it shipped asap.
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continue...........

The woofer was heavily built and freakin heavy. I pulled the driver on the 1st PB10 to re-seat the wires to the conectors and man was it a pain to get it back and screwed to the enclosure.
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Hello would you think the SVS PB12-NSD/2 would be too much for my room?
Room is 11X19 and is in the bottom floor of a townhouse.

Bassheads will say there is no thing as too much...

I've got a PB10 in a room about that size (open to the rest of the bottom floor of a townhouse). Within the room, I've gotten up to 105 dBs (at listening position, ref - 6dB for the sub) on the Darla scene in Finding Nemo, which is more than enough for me. If you like things loud, I think a PB12 alone would do the trick, but it depends on how low and loud you want to go (and how much insulation is between you and your neighbor).
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Bassheads will say there is no thing as too much...

I've got a PB10 in a room about that size (open to the rest of the bottom floor of a townhouse). Within the room, I've gotten up to 105 dBs (at listening position, ref - 6dB for the sub) on the Darla scene in Finding Nemo, which is more than enough for me. If you like things loud, I think a PB12 alone would do the trick, but it depends on how low and loud you want to go (and how much insulation is between you and your neighbor).

I like alot of bass but I was thinking NSD/2 might just be too much for that room since its in a townhouse. I saw a practically brand new NSD/2 for similar price as the PB12 but it looks like it will just be too much. Thanks
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I like alot of bass but I was thinking NSD/2 might just be too much for that room since its in a townhouse. I saw a practically brand new NSD/2 for similar price as the PB12 but it looks like it will just be too much. Thanks

For the same price, then by all means go for it. It'll be nice to have if you ever get a larger place. I didn't want to convince you that you shouldn't get it, just that you may not need all of it.
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I like alot of bass but I was thinking NSD/2 might just be too much for that room since its in a townhouse. I saw a practically brand new NSD/2 for similar price as the PB12 but it looks like it will just be too much. Thanks

wagsgt, I recently purchased the SVS PB12-NSD/2 (about 2 months ago). I put it in my basement home theater which has a 7ft drop ceiling and is approximately 23ft x 18 ft (drywall walls). I like to watch movies loud too. This bass has absolutely no problem filling the room (the sub volume is at about 50% too). I'm sitting on solid concrete and I can FEEL the bass. When I'm upstairs the bass shakes the windows. It has no problem recreating that heavy bass that is typically only experienced in theaters... a real treat. I LOVE this sub woofer but I suspect that it would be overkill by most peoples standards/needs. Keep in mind that this is also a huge/heavy sub as well. Personally, I have not heard the PB12 so I can't comment there, but I will say that I probably could have been just as happy with something a little less powerful... that's me though. Regardless... I have no regrets !!!!!Good luck!
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I'm wondering if anyone in here has any opinions/experience with the difference between the regular cylinder series subs and the plus series. Specifically the 20-39 models. The PCi is $600 and the PC-Plus is $900. Is the plus really worth that 50% more?
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I'd say it depends on the size of your room and how loud you want your sub to play.

I haven't had both cylinders, but I do have a PC+ and a PB12. SVS says their boxes and cylindars sound alike. They certainly sound very much alike to me 99% of the time, but my 16-46PC-Plus plays deeper and a bit louder if pushed to its limits.

The Plus series has a more powerful amplifier and a more robust driver. It also has variable tuning points. All this translates into very worthwhile benefits to demanding users, but may not be worth the price difference to many others, especially those with average sized rooms and moderate listening habits.

Email SVS to get a definitive answer. They know their products better than we do. Tell them your room size, placement options and listening preferences. My experience has been that they are very helpful and honest.
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Let's just assume that I'm of the mind that you can never have too much output or extension. I'm more interested in the concept of whether, in any given room size, the plus is worth 50% more dollars than the PCi. I happen to have a large room now, but I may be moving soon and I'm not sure what my new place will be like. It's very hard to come to a conclusion on this question, based on the info provided on the SVS site, as they don't seem to list max SPL numbers anywhere. Freq response graphs are nice, but they don't tell the whole story.

Maybe thinking of it this way would be better. What if I had an essentially infinite space to fill? Would I be better off buying n*2 PC-Plus cylinders, or n*3 PCi's for the same price?
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Let's just assume that I'm of the mind that you can never have too much output or extension.

Maybe thinking of it this way would be better. What if I had an essentially infinite space to fill? Would I be better off buying n*2 PC-Plus cylinders, or n*3 PCi's for the same price?

I would wait and get 2 new PC Ultras!
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I'd say 2 PC-Pluses.

In fact, given everything you just said, I'd recommend you invest in a Plus and not look back. People rarely regret buying something better than they need, but frequently wish they'd spent a little more when something falls short.

As for SPL, from what I've gleaned, the Plus is likely to give you 3-6dB more output than a comparable PCi. That translates directly into 50-100% more acoustical power, since, theoretically, two co-located identical subs will produce 6dB more output.

Unfortunately, it seems to be hard to get comparative data from a reliable independent source using the same testing criteria for both. And both have new, improved drivers, so older tests aren't definitive either.
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I would wait and get 2 new PC Ultras!

his question would still apply ...

2 new ultras?
3 PC pluses?
5-6 PCi's?

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I would wait and get 2 new PC Ultras!

Well, yes, that even a better option if you're not in a hurry and cost isn't a detriment.
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his question would still apply ...

2 new ultras?
3 PC pluses?
5-6 PCi's?

Exactly. I guess what I really want to know is sort of a decibels per dollar number Which is the best value? Most grocery store shelf tags tell me cents per ounce, why shouldn't I expect the same from my subwoofer purchase?
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Well, yes, that even a better option if you're not in a hurry and cost isn't a detriment.

And the answer is likely to remain, fewer of the better version is probably going to yield better results... but not by an earthshaking ( ) margin.
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I have 2 of the original CS Ultras. Amazing speakers, even if I am selling them

Someday maybe I'll actually WATCH my projector...
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I'd say 2 PC-Pluses.

In fact, given everything you just said, I'd recommend you invest in a Plus and not look back. People rarely regret buying something better than they need, but frequently wish they'd spent a little more when something falls short.

That is a good point.
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As for SPL, from what I've gleaned, the Plus is likely to give you 3-6dB more output than a comparable PCi. That translates directly into 50-100% more acoustical power, since, theoretically, two co-located identical subs will produce 6dB more output.

May I ask where you gleaned this info?
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... Most grocery store shelf tags tell me cents per ounce, why shouldn't I expect the same from my subwoofer purchase?

Good luck with that!
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haloo, it's easier to get $/SPL ... but $/SQ cannot be measured, it is up to your ears actually.

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