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I wonder why it needs to be set to 20Hz? I thought the PB2000 was tuned to 17Hz. Shouldn't that match up well to the Pluses 16Hz?

I asked about this and he said the PB-2000 is tuned to 20hz so it would be ideal to set the plusses to 20hz as well (providing I mix them with the PB-2000s).
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I have a general question about the PB-1000. I'm presently planning on ordering the SB-2000 because I use the sub for only music and some PC gaming. If I find that the sealed sub doesn't give me the thump I'm looking for, I plan to go with a ported variety.

My question is, since the PB-1000 is about 15" wide, it would fit perfectly where my sub sits now, just like the SB-2000 would, IF I set it on its side instead. Can that work? Would it alter the sound in any way? Mainly just curious about this, but who knows; it might be what I've been looking for.

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You can set it on its side. Just make sure there's enough space for it to breathe. Bass freqs are omnidirectional.

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My initial adjustment was with the sub volume, going from -16 to -6 ... that basically set the maximum, which I prefer for the "Chillstep", Drum n Bass, and downtempo electronic music.

 

I find, however, that on most other content, that this setting is too much ... so all my adjustments now are with the AVR subwoofer level setting.  I find it easier to access the AVR with the remote than to turn the sub around each time.  Darren at SVS said he makes his adjustments this way as well.

 

Ok so you think for my dual try to go -6 on sub volume on both and then just turn it up and down from AVR receiver sub volume? I'm going tomorrow to HD to see if they have bottoms for cylinder subs.

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Ok so you think for my dual try to go -6 on sub volume on both and then just turn it up and down from AVR receiver sub volume? I'm going tomorrow to HD to see if they have bottoms for cylinder subs.
My initial setting is -17 sub volume and audyssey set it at -4.0. I never turn the sub volume up after running audyssey. I only use the AVR sub volume for more or less bass. I run the AVR at 0 now per my liking so technically that would be 4db's hot. I don't use the sub volume because then you lose your initial starting calibration and don't know how hot your running your sub. Everyone's bass preference is different though.
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I don't use the sub volume because then you lose your initial starting calibration and don't know how hot your running your sub. .


If you don't run it hot you are not living. wink.gif

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I have a general question about the PB-1000. I'm presently planning on ordering the SB-2000 because I use the sub for only music and some PC gaming. If I find that the sealed sub doesn't give me the thump I'm looking for, I plan to go with a ported variety.

My question is, since the PB-1000 is about 15" wide, it would fit perfectly where my sub sits now, just like the SB-2000 would, IF I set it on its side instead. Can that work? Would it alter the sound in any way? Mainly just curious about this, but who knows; it might be what I've been looking for.

Thanks for any help.

The PB1000 will have less output for music, which is going to be the 40 Hz and up, compared to the SB2000.  If the SB2000 does not provide enough output for you, you will have to look for a sub that offers higher output in that frequency range.  Keep in mind 6 dB louder is twice as loud.


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If you don't run it hot you are not living. wink.gif
Oh I agree 100%!!
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My initial adjustment was with the sub volume, going from -16 to -6 ... that basically set the maximum, which I prefer for the "Chillstep", Drum n Bass, and downtempo electronic music.

I find, however, that on most other content, that this setting is too much ... so all my adjustments now are with the AVR subwoofer level setting.  I find it easier to access the AVR with the remote than to turn the sub around each time.  Darren at SVS said he makes his adjustments this way as well.


Just place the sub with the amp facing out. That's the way I have mine. Very convenient.

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My initial setting is -17 sub volume and audyssey set it at -4.0. I never turn the sub volume up after running audyssey. I only use the AVR sub volume for more or less bass. I run the AVR at 0 now per my liking so technically that would be 4db's hot. I don't use the sub volume because then you lose your initial starting calibration and don't know how hot your running your sub. Everyone's bass preference is different though.

Thanks for letting me know, I will play with it tomorrow. So if I will remember after Audyssey calibration numbers then I can change it and then I can go back without any loosing calibration right?

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Just went to fire everything up a crank my 1st blu ray with my dual PB -2000 setup and my flippin Onkyo AVR took a dump on me. No sound to be had (heard) whatsoever!!!!

What a kick in the you know whats this is. I have no options at this point. sound wont even go through the TV speakers, must be a bad HDMI board in the AVR.

Turds!
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Just place the sub with the amp facing out. That's the way I have mine. Very convenient.

Well you are right and great is worked for you but if you don't have HT room and all your speakers and subs are in living room it also need to have a look so less wires is much better . It is what I'm sure TomC1315 is doing and looks great, you dont want to look at a amp and wires. My wife accept all my toys and she love them also but need to have a style also!!!
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Just went to fire everything up a crank my 1st blu ray with my dual PB -2000 setup and my flippin Onkyo AVR took a dump on me. No sound to be had (heard) whatsoever!!!!

What a kick in the you know whats this is. I have no options at this point. sound wont even go through the TV speakers, must be a bad HDMI board in the AVR.

Turds!

Older Onkyo's are known for that.

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Older Onkyo's are known for that.

2011 model....not that old
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Ok so you think for my dual try to go -6 on sub volume on both and then just turn it up and down from AVR receiver sub volume? I'm going tomorrow to HD to see if they have bottoms for cylinder subs.

After talking with Ed from SVS a month or so ago, he advised me not to have my AVR's Audyssey sub level above 0db, otherwise clipping might occur.  He suggested, rather, to obtain an AVR/Audyssey level in the negative, and then use the sub's volume control for more bass.

 

My initial -16 on the PC12+s volume control was to get an Audyssey/AVR level in the middle of the negative range ... this gave me a -6.0db on the AVR, and I adjusted the sub volume accordingly, settling on a -6 on the sub's volume control for bass heavy electronic. For most other content, I will lower the bass through the AVR.

 

retro124 ... I'd recommend setting the subs' volume knobs at whatever will get Audyssey at somewhere around -6.0db ... at this point, then you can increase the volume on your subs.

 

Darren and Sonnie at SVS concur with this approach.

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After talking with Ed from SVS a month or so ago, he advised me not to have my AVR's Audyssey sub level above 0db, otherwise clipping might occur.  He suggested, rather, to obtain an AVR/Audyssey level in the negative, and then use the sub's volume control for more bass.

My initial -16 on the PC12+s volume control was to get an Audyssey/AVR level in the middle of the negative range ... this gave me a -6.0db on the AVR, and I adjusted the sub volume accordingly, settling on a -6 on the sub's volume control for bass heavy electronic. For most other content, I will lower the bass through the AVR.

retro124 ... I'd recommend setting the subs' volume knobs at whatever will get Audyssey at somewhere around -6.0db ... at this point, then you can increase the volume on your subs.

Darren and Sonnie at SVS concur with this approach.

Thank you for your post a really appreciate.

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If anyone has followed any of my posts then you know I'm building my theater and have roughly a few weeks left before it's finished. Anyway, I have 7 SVS subs scattered throughout the house for multiple experiments in the theater. I've had 2 PB-2000s since they've been out and love em but wanna make sure I'm getting the right subs for my taste.

So I fired up one of my PC12-Plus in my living room and I'm not hearing anything out of it. I'm more perplexed than anything else because it was working fine since I hooked it up Friday. It's getting power, it's recognizing a signal from the receiver when content is being played (the amp shows the welcome screen when I hit play on the blu player), yet the woofer is doing nothing. At any volume.

Went into the settings on my pioneer receiver to manually shoot test tones through the speakers and everything but the sub relayed the signal sound. My SB-1000 was nearby so I put the same cable from the Plus into the SB-1000 and it worked just fine.

Not sure what else I can try but I dropped an email to the fine folks at SVS. But from what little I've heard of this sub I think I'll like having 2 of them over the PB-2000s so we'll see.
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I heeded the Onkyo warnings on AVS when I was AVR shopping. Crazy because my father bought an onkyo in 92 or 93 that was still ticking with no issues when passed down to me in 2003 and was used daily before I gave it to a buddy about three years ago, still in perfect condition
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If anyone has followed any of my posts then you know I'm building my theater and have roughly a few weeks left before it's finished. Anyway, I have 7 SVS subs scattered throughout the house for multiple experiments in the theater. I've had 2 PB-2000s since they've been out and love em but wanna make sure I'm getting the right subs for my taste.

So I fired up one of my PC12-Plus in my living room and I'm not hearing anything out of it. I'm more perplexed than anything else because it was working fine since I hooked it up Friday. It's getting power, it's recognizing a signal from the receiver when content is being played (the amp shows the welcome screen when I hit play on the blu player), yet the woofer is doing nothing. At any volume.

Went into the settings on my pioneer receiver to manually shoot test tones through the speakers and everything but the sub relayed the signal sound. My SB-1000 was nearby so I put the same cable from the Plus into the SB-1000 and it worked just fine.

Not sure what else I can try but I dropped an email to the fine folks at SVS. But from what little I've heard of this sub I think I'll like having 2 of them over the PB-2000s so we'll see.

Ok did you try other Plus?

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The PB1000 will have less output for music, which is going to be the 40 Hz and up, compared to the SB2000.  If the SB2000 does not provide enough output for you, you will have to look for a sub that offers higher output in that frequency range.  Keep in mind 6 dB louder is twice as loud.
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The PB1000 will have less output for music, which is going to be the 40 Hz and up, compared to the SB2000.  If the SB2000 does not provide enough output for you, you will have to look for a sub that offers higher output in that frequency range.  Keep in mind 6 dB louder is twice as loud.


I probably should have omitted the run up to question. hehe. I was just wondering if placing the sub on its side made any difference in sound.

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I probably should have omitted the run up to question. hehe. I was just wondering if placing the sub on its side made any difference in sound.

Very negligible. Not enough to really worry about at the frequencies a sub plays at. You'd be fine.
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After talking with Ed from SVS a month or so ago, he advised me not to have my AVR's Audyssey sub level above 0db, otherwise clipping might occur.  He suggested, rather, to obtain an AVR/Audyssey level in the negative, and then use the sub's volume control for more bass.

My initial -16 on the PC12+s volume control was to get an Audyssey/AVR level in the middle of the negative range ... this gave me a -6.0db on the AVR, and I adjusted the sub volume accordingly, settling on a -6 on the sub's volume control for bass heavy electronic. For most other content, I will lower the bass through the AVR.

retro124 ... I'd recommend setting the subs' volume knobs at whatever will get Audyssey at somewhere around -6.0db ... at this point, then you can increase the volume on your subs.

Darren and Sonnie at SVS concur with this approach.
I have read here it's better to set your sub volume so that your AVR trim reads 11 or 11.5 negative after Audsey is run.
Once Audsey is run, you can adjust sub volume up using the sub level on your AVR i.e. running your sub hot. Like you said, to not more than 0 on the AVR sub trim.

Adjusting the sub volume on the sub after Audsey is run will mess with the Audsey results.

That's what I have read here.
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I have read here it's better to set your sub volume so that your AVR trim reads 11 or 11.5 negative after Audsey is run.
Once Audsey is run, you can adjust sub volume up using the sub level on your AVR i.e. running your sub hot. Like you said, to not more than 0 on the AVR sub trim.

Adjusting the sub volume on the sub after Audsey is run will mess with the Audsey results.

That's what I have read here.
If you read enough of this thread you will read lots of things. Theres no absolutely correct way to adjust sub volume/avr sub volume. I have seen some of the most respected and knowledgeable people at AVS have differing opinions on the subject. Some say you should never touch the sub volume at the sub after running the room correction software and some say its fine to do so. One thing nearly everyone agrees on however is that you shouldnt run the sub volume on the + side in the AVR.
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Ok did you try other Plus?


No not yet, it's still in the box in the basement.  Hoping it's not a faulty amp but could be a wire came loose, I haven't had time to pull it apart yet.

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Slightly OT....

My AVR took a dump last night, so I was looking at the new offerings from Onkyo. It looks like they've abandoned Audyssey in 2014 for their own software.

Does anyone have any experience with this AccuEQ Room Calibration they've got now in setting up their room? Should I start looking at Denon or Marantz instead or is Audyssey not worth following?

I just got my dual PB 2000s and I'd like to get make sure I'm going in the right direction ....assuming my dead AVR won't get fixed.
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I wouldn't discount the importance of having a receiver or pre with a decent sub EQ system like XT32, unless you have something else to do that for you like an anti-mode. My 4 day old PC12 Plus is awesome, but even with REW setting up PEQ to help with room issues would be a serious investment in time. By the way the difference a second sub has made to my room is nothing short of incredible. Hard to describe but it is easy to hear the advantage of multiple subs.
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I have one PC13Ultra and everyday its seems like it is getting better and better. I think my house would collapse if I had two of them but I can imagine how good dual subs would sound. Currently I have the sub setup behind the couch against the wall and its doing a great job but think it would be a lot better in front of me somewhere and sound more natural, it can be distracting rather than immersing. Only thing is Ive run out of room up front unless I run my main speakers in the wide front position and change from 9.1 to 7.1 surround. I guess its maybe a mission for tomorrow.

I watched Cloverfield and its amazing for bass. The building in the movie shakes, rattles and creeks and so does my house (4D?) lol. Other news - My dog has got used to the bass. smile.gif

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