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post #17161 of 18379 Old 06-25-2014, 06:29 AM
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I have select 1 or 2 subs and calibrate subs 75db point so one was -17gb and second -19db on subs. Then I adjust both subs 2.5db hotter I read some about it and I chat with SVS and they told me many people including Jack from SVS like to run subs little more hot so we recomend to adjust 2.5db. I can probably adjust even more I just did not know how much is safe for sub to add, it is for sure more then that and I will play with it more when I watch more movies.

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Ok, so it's not just mine.
I did run it, but i can't remember what it set to. I keep it at zero. It always sets my towers to like -3 , but that's too low. I have the infinity p363 towers x4 and i guess they're 4ohms, so to watch a movie i'd have to turn the receiver to like -15. So i bump them to +3 and watch movies at -25 or so. Probably killing my receiver with those speakers.

Anyways, i guess ill keep the gain up on the sub ..it just doesn't seem right. I've never turned any sub I've owned past 50%.
What does it accomplish to set your speakers to +3 and listen at a lower volume? Shouldn't you aim to keep the speakers at around 0 with adjustments for distance and output as set by your AVRs auto-calibration? You can't get more power out of the AVR by playing with these settings.

As for the sub volume, it's a gain setting, right? Even if you have it at 100%, I'm thinking you're still good--the total output is limited by the amplifier power. The volume is to adjust the gain to match the input the sub is getting. Comparing this to other subs really has little meaning, I think. It doesn't alter amplifier power. I like to run my sub hotter than YPAO (Yamaha) sets it, so I adjust the volume so that YPAO sets it to about -4.5, then I adjust it up to around 0 in the AVR. My PB-1000 is set to around 3 o'clock (I had to turn it up a bit after putting a miniDSP in the line, so I'm guessing there's a slight attenuation through the miniDSP. I could overcome this with a gain setting in the miniDSP, but I'd rather have the overhead on the miniDSP output.)

Something else to consider is the flat response of the SVS subs. I had a little sub that sounded louder, but I believe that it was just pounding away in a narrow frequency range. The SVS is using a lot of power down low, shaking the room, and has a flat, articulate response across it's output. This makes it sound quieter, although it can bring the boom when the content is there.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.
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Well I finally got a chance to follow the recommendations of SVS. I bumped the AMP on my sub from -16db to -13db. I left my AVR at -5db (bumped from -10db on the Audyssey setup). It's amazing how much bass my PC12+ is putting out at those settings. For music I had to bump it back down, but for movies I am pleased where it is hitting. At reference volume the thing shakes the entire house (and I'm a little concerned half the block!) without much effort.

The awesome thing about this sub is I am still convinced there is a little more I could squeeze out of it if I really wanted to.

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My wife and I watch movies in my theater all the time. I recently got a PB13U and put it right behind the single row of seats, in the middle of the room (like the elephant).

If my wife noticed it, she has yet to comment
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I agree with the 'try and keep the mains and center at zero DB and adjust the rest to match' philosophy... let your amp do the rest. Adding gain should be used only to match levels of the other speakers (non mains) to your liking, not to act as a volume control for your mains... amps were made to be driven, so drive those suckers.

edit: wow typo city.. tg for edit. lolz

edit2: the PB-1000 just mops the floor with all the other budget subs I have tried... and I haven't even pushed it to max yet... I am blown away..
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My new pb-2000 is almost inaudible at 50%... it's on and plays, but the woofer just sort of vibrates. It doesn't move. I went to watch a movie and had to turn it up all the way to about 3:30 75-80% to get it moving and putting out good rumble when the scenes called for it.
I think it is consensus by now that the gain dial on the SB-2000 or PB-2000 should be set to the 2:00 position (or thereabouts) for these subs to equalize properly. My experience with the SB-2000 was similar to yours, until I advanced the gain knob from 12:00 to 2:00. There is more discussion of this on another thread: New SVS PB2000 and SB2000 subs!!!!!!
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Hi folks,

I'm new to the AV world. I recently have upgraded a few components, all starting when my Onkyo receiver's HDMI ports started to fail. We bought a new Yamaha receiver (3030) and hooked it up to my Paradigm speakers and my old Kenwood sub. My wife and I immediately took note of the clarity of the mids and highs but were both disappointed with the bass output. Started to look around at subs in forums and quickly found SVS. Well, we ended up picking up a PB13U. Sat down and watched Avatar without doing any calibrations. Sounded amazing, but now I need to figure out how best to set up the sub. I'm assuming the first step is to buy an SPL meter and run some tests... I'd appreciate any links that will help me in setting up my system.

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Hi folks,

I'm new to the AV world. I recently have upgraded a few components, all starting when my Onkyo receiver's HDMI ports started to fail. We bought a new Yamaha receiver (3030) and hooked it up to my Paradigm speakers and my old Kenwood sub. My wife and I immediately took note of the clarity of the mids and highs but were both disappointed with the bass output. Started to look around at subs in forums and quickly found SVS. Well, we ended up picking up a PB13U. Sat down and watched Avatar without doing any calibrations. Sounded amazing, but now I need to figure out how best to set up the sub. I'm assuming the first step is to buy an SPL meter and run some tests... I'd appreciate any links that will help me in setting up my system.

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Have you run YPAO? If not thats what you should do until you get everything else figured out.
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Run YPAO and that should be enough. Manually change crossovers after, if need be. Maybe check levels manually I found my Yamaha auto setup a little bit off by .5 or 1dB

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Hi folks,

I'm new to the AV world. I recently have upgraded a few components, all starting when my Onkyo receiver's HDMI ports started to fail. We bought a new Yamaha receiver (3030) and hooked it up to my Paradigm speakers and my old Kenwood sub. My wife and I immediately took note of the clarity of the mids and highs but were both disappointed with the bass output. Started to look around at subs in forums and quickly found SVS. Well, we ended up picking up a PB13U. Sat down and watched Avatar without doing any calibrations. Sounded amazing, but now I need to figure out how best to set up the sub. I'm assuming the first step is to buy an SPL meter and run some tests... I'd appreciate any links that will help me in setting up my system.

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Congrats on the new sub! You got a beast!

Doesn't your Yamaha have YPAO? That should do everything for you. Maybe start with the placement. Most will recommend a "sub crawl" to find the best spot for it.
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Congrats on the new sub! You got a beast!

Doesn't your Yamaha have YPAO? That should do everything for you. Maybe start with the placement. Most will recommend a "sub crawl" to find the best spot for it.
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Thanks for the feedback, I have run YPAO and it set my sub quite low in comparison to my Paradigms. I've compensated by setting the centre and FL/FR down about -4 to -5. It's more balanced now but am now concerned that my sub might be running hot. I'm back home this weekend and will try the sub crawl to see if I can find a more balanced position. Shy of increasing the sub through the receiver, is there any other method of increasing the sub output?
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Thanks for the feedback, I have run YPAO and it set my sub quite low in comparison to my Paradigms. I've compensated by setting the centre and FL/FR down about -4 to -5. It's more balanced now but am now concerned that my sub might be running hot. I'm back home this weekend and will try the sub crawl to see if I can find a more balanced position. Shy of increasing the sub through the receiver, is there any other method of increasing the sub output?
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Thanks for the feedback, I have run YPAO and it set my sub quite low in comparison to my Paradigms. I've compensated by setting the centre and FL/FR down about -4 to -5. It's more balanced now but am now concerned that my sub might be running hot. I'm back home this weekend and will try the sub crawl to see if I can find a more balanced position. Shy of increasing the sub through the receiver, is there any other method of increasing the sub output?
Don't turn your speakers down, just turn the sub trim up a few dB in your AVR until it sounds good to you. Almost everyone I have seen on here runs their sub 3-6 dB hot. No need to be concerned, run it however it sounds good to you, there are no rules against it.

Also, doing a sub crawl to find a possible better position never hurts. In the end, if you want flawless bass, it will likely take two subs, good placement, and some eq.

If you really want to see what is going on your room, REW and a Umik-1 mic along with an HDMI laptop will be a real eye opener. Beware though, this eliminates "ignorance is bliss" and will likely have you contemplating dual subs and eq ability.

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Thanks for the feedback, I have run YPAO and it set my sub quite low in comparison to my Paradigms. I've compensated by setting the centre and FL/FR down about -4 to -5. It's more balanced now but am now concerned that my sub might be running hot. I'm back home this weekend and will try the sub crawl to see if I can find a more balanced position. Shy of increasing the sub through the receiver, is there any other method of increasing the sub output?
How low? If YPAO set your sub at -10 you need to turn the sub down and rerun YPAO.
Bear is correct. Dont turn your speakers down. Turn the sub up.
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My room is empty now Sending back my Dual PB-1000's. But greatness will soon be upon me when I order Dual PB-2000's Now if only I can readjust to my BIC H-100 until I get the other subs.
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My room is empty now Sending back my Dual PB-1000's. But greatness will soon be upon me when I order Dual PB-2000's Now if only I can readjust to my BIC H-100 until I get the other subs.
I remember that feeling of haveing a empty room with no home theater gear.All my 5 speakers and subwoofer were gone .But now I got my klipsch RF-7 II and my center RC-64 II speaker.Hopeing to get my surrounds back's very soon.Going for the RS-62 II as a pair.And then topping it off with the svs PB13-ULTRA.Cant wait .
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[QUOTE=accordex;25239186]Hey guys, so I got my PB-2000 setup the other day. I have a couple other questions, hopefully someone can help.

So this is replacing my bic F-12.
The bic, while it doesn't do below 25-30hz too well, it does 30 to 35 and up really really well. It fills the room completely and hits very hard. Now the bic, has never been turned past 12 o clock (50%)...that's almost too loud.

My new pb-2000 is almost inaudible at 50%... it's on and plays, but the woofer just sort of vibrates. It doesn't move. I went to watch a movie and had to turn it up all the way to about 3:30 75-80% to get it moving and putting out good rumble when the scenes called for it.

The only way to get that chest pounding great bass was to play a bass mekanic video off of YouTube, again at about 75% volume.

What am i doing wrong? I've gotta be missing something here. Do you guys all keep your sub gain at 80%?

I also split the signal and ran both and at 50% volume, the bic is killing the svs.

I'm not posting this to sh$$ on the sub btw, but with the $600 difference here, i could use some pointers on tuning this thing.

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Thanks in advance guys. Let me know what i can do and what volumes you run.[

This normal. I run my PB12 Plus at 75% and did the same when I had a PB12-NSD. Once you turn it up to where it comes alive, you will experience something very special - bass that is authorative and musical. My old sub only went boom.
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Thanks for all your replies. So it seems these sub's are being ran at 70+ by everyone. As long as it can take it, I guess its all good.
Well I bought another one Thursday, it came yesterday. Onecall honored SVS dual pricing and gave me the 2nd one $100 off, and I used my new chase card that gives me $200 statement credit when I spend $500 so I figured what the hell.
They're sitting on either side of my couch at 75% and, wow, you can literally feel the couch shaking. I haven't watched a movie yet, just some DTS-HD trailers.
Sounding great!
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Thanks for all your replies. So it seems these sub's are being ran at 70+ by everyone. As long as it can take it, I guess its all good.
Well I bought another one Thursday, it came yesterday. Onecall honored SVS dual pricing and gave me the 2nd one $100 off, and I used my new chase card that gives me $200 statement credit when I spend $500 so I figured what the hell.
They're sitting on either side of my couch at 75% and, wow, you can literally feel the couch shaking. I haven't watched a movie yet, just some DTS-HD trailers.
Sounding great!
Congrats to your new sub!!! Why did you bought it from Onecall, SVS web sites the best place to buy SVS subs, even for they 45 days free exchange, 1 year trade up and all warranty, the best customer service, better to order it always from them !!!!
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One call is an authorized dealer. I think they're about the only one. So I get all the support. And they're in Washington state like me, so it's overnight delivery at no charge
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One call is an authorized dealer. I think they're about the only one. So I get all the support. And they're in Washington state like me, so it's overnight delivery at no charge
Oh ok good if you have it close to you but I read you have just regular 30 days replace but you pay shipping back is your sub is not damaged you just want to step up for example and warranty is same if you want to trade it within a year I don't think it will be possible with Onecall like with SVS with full price trade in.
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Need help guys. I watched my first movie with my PB12-Plus and it bottomed out twice! I owned a PB12-NSD before and at the same level it didn't exhibit this stress. I watched Once Upon a Time in Mexico at -10.5 on the receiver and the sub is at -10. I run the gain hot - it is at 85 db the same as my old NSD. Sub is in 20 hz tuning. Any ideas?

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Need help guys. I watched my first movie with my PB12-Plus and it bottomed out twice! I owned a PB12-NSD before and at the same level it didn't exhibit this stress. I watched Once Upon a Time in Mexico at -10.5 on the receiver and the sub is at -10. I run the gain hot - it is at 85 db the same as my old NSD. Sub is in 20 hz tuning. Any ideas?
Sounds like your running it just a little too hot. What do you have the sub out from the avr set at? Do you have all the peq off? and the xos all disabled?
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Need help guys. I watched my first movie with my PB12-Plus and it bottomed out twice! I owned a PB12-NSD before and at the same level it didn't exhibit this stress. I watched Once Upon a Time in Mexico at -10.5 on the receiver and the sub is at -10. I run the gain hot - it is at 85 db the same as my old NSD. Sub is in 20 hz tuning. Any ideas?
The Plus has a limiter and shouldn't bottom out. Doesn't sound right. I'd drop SVS an email or maybe a call.

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AVR is at 0 and I have everything disabled. The sub reads exactly 85 db with the Audyssey mic and 65 db on my spl meter - same as I had my NSD. Upon further inspection, it doesn't look like the driver is bottoming out, but it is making a pretty awful noise. I will call SVS to see what they say.

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I called SVS and they said I'm running the sub too hot at -10 on the sub and 0 in the receiver at my listening levels of -11 and it is introducing artifacts. They said my PB12-NSD had a more conservative limiter so it didn't get artifacts, whereas, the Plus is more liberal.

I don't have any other placement options, so what else can I do? I've tried it at lower levels and it just sounds anemic. Crazy to say I miss my PB12-NSD.

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As much as I would love to, it took some convincing to get my wife to agree to the Plus. I believe something is wrong with the unit, as I shouldn't be getting this much distortion. I've been playing with it all day and I have to back it down to -18 on the sub, leaving the sub trim at 0 in the receiver, before I don't get any distortion. In the Dark Knight Rises during the plane takeover at the beginning, I thought the driver was going to explode it sounded so bad. At -18 it still sounds choppy, but not as bad. I'm not going to reference levels, I'm only listening at -12.5, so I'm perplexed.

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