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As much as I would love to, it took some convincing to get my wife to agree to the Plus. I believe something is wrong with the unit, as I shouldn't be getting this much distortion. I've been playing with it all day and I have to back it down to -18 on the sub, leaving the sub trim at 0 in the receiver, before I don't get any distortion. In the Dark Knight Rises during the plane takeover at the beginning, I thought the driver was going to explode it sounded so bad. At -18 it still sounds choppy, but not as bad. I'm not going to reference levels, I'm only listening at -12.5, so I'm perplexed.
Maybe you have a bad amp inside this could happen out of the box.It's rare but still can happen.SVS has wonderful servise with hardware stuff.If it is a amp they will fix it for you asap.

And as for getting a ultra,well i myself really want a ultra. i dont have a wife.But hey time's are hard today so you have to go with what you can go with.Maybe you can sit down with the wife and tell her what's going on to change her mind on getting a ultra.You just never know.Good luck with everything buddy.and let us know what goes on.
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maybe the wires are flipped on the amp inside. Two out of the 4 svs subs I bought had them backwards. And I have read people here also having that same issue. This is a hail marry pass but its worth looking at.
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I had an amp fail on one of my PC12-Plus 3 days after I got it and they sent out a replacement right away. But while it was working the sub sounded great so it seems like something is off with Riddle's if he's getting distortion. Interesting what SVS said about him possibly running it a bit hot. I thought I've heard something rattling around in one of mine during the light battle scene in Tron but haven't had time to revisit it.
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Figure I would run this question by people here before I got on the phone and bugged SVS.

I have two PB12-NSD's, just got the second about two weeks ago. Set both to 12'oclock and ran audyssey (AVR unit only has one sub output, so I use the y-splitter). Audyssey set the sub volume to -10, which I keep for TV viewing. For movies, I run it hot to -4, I ran it at -4 (for really loud movies so the limiter wasnt staying lit) or -2 (for the rest) when I had just the one.

On demanding scenes in a few movies (WATW pod scene, street scene in cloverfield), the limiter light comes on on the older PB12-NSD. It doesnt stay lit for an extended period, but it flickers and when things get really demanding it will stay lit for maybe a half second. During the exact same scene, the newer PB12-NSD doesn't flicker once.

THe older sub is placed at the front of the room next to the entertainment stand in a little "entertainment" nook about 2 feet deep. The newer sub is corner loaded on my back wall between the wall and my sectional. I'm still a novice w all this, will placement or audyssey cause one sub to work harder than the other, or is this a case of the older PB12-NSD having a more sensitive limiter?
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I had the pleasure to visit Reference_heads house yesterday to pick up my RF7II's. I had never heard a PB12 Plus or PB13 Ultra. Well I had the honor to listen to dual PB12 Pluses and a PB13 Ultra in the same room. Let's just say it was pretty fricken awesome. Ryan has an unbelievable Klipsch Pro Cinema system. Everything audio and video was amazing.
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I had the pleasure to visit Reference_heads house yesterday to pick up my RF7II's. I had never heard a PB12 Plus or PB13 Ultra. Well I had the honor to listen to dual PB12 Pluses and a PB13 Ultra in the same room. Let's just say it was pretty fricken awesome. Ryan has an unbelievable Klipsch Pro Cinema system. Everything audio and video was amazing.
I'm sure it was a nice visit and congrats to your new RF-7II's
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I had the pleasure to visit Reference_heads house yesterday to pick up my RF7II's. I had never heard a PB12 Plus or PB13 Ultra. Well I had the honor to listen to dual PB12 Pluses and a PB13 Ultra in the same room. Let's just say it was pretty fricken awesome. Ryan has an unbelievable Klipsch Pro Cinema system. Everything audio and video was amazing.
Thanks for the kind words Chad. Was great having you over Enjoy those 7s
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I've been in contact with SVS throughout the day and sent them a video of the problem. They have been helpful and I'm confident that we will get it fixed or swapped.
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I had the pleasure to visit Reference_heads house yesterday to pick up my RF7II's. I had never heard a PB12 Plus or PB13 Ultra. Well I had the honor to listen to dual PB12 Pluses and a PB13 Ultra in the same room. Let's just say it was pretty fricken awesome. Ryan has an unbelievable Klipsch Pro Cinema system. Everything audio and video was amazing.

Thats kickass that you got your RF-7 II and you got to see what 2 plus and one ultra sound like i can only emagine what the sound and feeling was .I bet it was way better then the movie theater's it self.
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Thanks for the kind words Chad. Was great having you over Enjoy those 7s
Completely understand how cchunter must feel in your HT room. many of us will have a hard time to leave your room after little demo show, I will be one of them for sure, you have a amazing set up!!!
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Thats kickass that you got your RF-7 II and you got to see what 2 plus and one ultra sound like i can only emagine what the sound and feeling was .I bet it was way better then the movie theater's it self.
Ryan's setup better than a movie theater? Lmao! His rig is in a whole different league. It's something you have to experience in person. Word's can't describe just how clean and dynamic it truly is.
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Hey gentlemen!

I'm selling my SVS PB-10 NSD if anyone in here might be interested?

PM me for details.

Thanks,
Brandon
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Well, still working with SVS to fix the issue. Either the amp is bad or it just won't do what I want it to - which is unfortunate since I loved my single PB12-NSD that
always delivered. I have been working with the wife to get the Ultra. I guess we will see .
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Well, still working with SVS to fix the issue. Either the amp is bad or it just won't do what I want it to - which is unfortunate since I loved my single PB12-NSD that
always delivered. I have been working with the wife to get the Ultra. I guess we will see .
I am convinced there is just something wrong with the sub. If you like the PB12-NSD, the PB12 Plus should blow you away. I have had a PB12-NSD and a PB2000, and the PB2000 was noticeably better than the PB12 NSD. The Plus should be noticeably stronger than the PB2000, and hence much stronger than the NSD. So if you are not noticing a strong improvement there must be something wrong. Which is good news assuming you can remedy the issue.
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I hope you are right. I'm finding myself discouraged as they have told me the sound I'm hearing is a product of the limiter kicking on and introducing artifacts. I drove my NSD to the brink all the time - the limiter would come on but I was none the wiser as the sub sounded phenomenal.
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PB12- Plus owners, what gain and sub trim to you have yours set?
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PB12- Plus owners, what gain and sub trim to you have yours set?
From what I've read most SVS owners that have the 800 and 1000 sledge amps have the gain between -10 and -18. My Ultra is at -17. Sub trim was set at -4 after calibration. I bumped it up 4 so now its at 0 on my Denon.
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PB12- Plus owners, what gain and sub trim to you have yours set?
My pc12+ is at -13. I've got it set to -6 on my Denon.
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Thanks for the replies. Do you have the amp set to "Normal" or "Hi-Level"?
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Well, the wife agreed to me getting the Ultra. I did have to agree to no audio purchases for 2 yrs. good thing I just upgraded virtually everything I had, so I should make it. I'm not looking forward to getting this beast back in the box and lugging it to FedEX to ship it, but I'll do it for an Ultra.
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If you read enough of this thread you will read lots of things. Theres no absolutely correct way to adjust sub volume/avr sub volume. I have seen some of the most respected and knowledgeable people at AVS have differing opinions on the subject. Some say you should never touch the sub volume at the sub after running the room correction software and some say its fine to do so. One thing nearly everyone agrees on however is that you shouldnt run the sub volume on the + side in the AVR.


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PB12- Plus owners, what gain and sub trim to you have yours set?

I put the initial gain setting on my PC12+'s amp at -16, which resulted in an AVR sub level of -6.0 after running AudysseyXT ... I then boosted the PC12+'s amp gain to -6 for bass heavy iTunes content ( tactile sensations :-) ... for all other content (Netflix, classical music and opera DVDs & Blu-rays) I adjust the bass downward by decreasing the AVR's sub level to around -8.5 or -9.0.

This approach was given the OK by 3 different SVS reps ... I called them to make sure I wasn't putting the PC12+ in harm's way.
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Well, the wife agreed to me getting the Ultra. I did have to agree to no audio purchases for 2 yrs. good thing I just upgraded virtually everything I had, so I should make it. I'm not looking forward to getting this beast back in the box and lugging it to FedEX to ship it, but I'll do it for an Ultra.

SVS can have fed ex pick it up from your home. Just ask them!!


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I put the initial gain setting on my PC12+'s amp at -16, which resulted in an AVR sub level of -6.0 after running AudysseyXT ... I then boosted the PC12+'s amp gain to -6 for bass heavy iTunes content ( tactile sensations :-) ... for all other content (Netflix, classical music and opera DVDs & Blu-rays) I adjust the bass downward by decreasing the AVR's sub level to around -8.5 or -9.0.

This approach was given the OK by 3 different SVS reps ... I called them to make sure I wasn't putting the PC12+ in harm's way.
Thanks for the reply. Do you have the amp set to Normal or Hi-Level?
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Thanks for the reply. Do you have the amp set to Normal or Hi-Level?
Normal for me
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Thanks for the reply. Do you have the amp set to Normal or Hi-Level?
Normal ... wasn't even aware of this switch :-)

accessed the manual, and discovered it to be set at normal (default) ... seems like the Hi-level option is for either really high-end or professional set ups

congrats on the WAF green light you received for the (PB13?)Ultra ... I just got the green light this morning to upgrade my exercise room speakers (DefTech SM45 refurbs) to another pair of MartinLogan LX16s. Amazon is selling them new (in dark cherry) for $240 per speaker ... these are the speakers that preceded their Motion15 bookshelf speakers (MSRP of $425 each) and are essentially the same. I got my current pair of LX16s for just over $500 on eBay a year and a half ago ... I was able to explain what an opportunity this is :-)

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That's awesome! PB13 Ultra for me; I'm excited.
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Just a little praise.
Running the SVS PB-1000 via LFE output via a Denon X-2000 AVR. Fronts and surrounds are DefTech ProMonitor 800's with DefTEch ProCenter 1000.

I have had several subs in my home in the past few years: AV123 MFW-15, PSA XV15(non-upgraded), Def Tech ProSub1000, Rythmik LV12R, and a couple others.
I just received a new SVS PB-1000 for my downstairs mid level home theater. Approximately 3300sq ft room with one doorway and drop ceiling.
I was a little hesitant to see if the PB-1000 could fill it but the CS rep convinced me it would be great.

Well, let me tell you it is more than great. Its accuracy and deep room-filling bass is probably the best I have had in my home. PSA is great and more power but the SVS is so "real" and accurate I can't believe my ears. No hum, no audio artifacts, no pops or crackles. Responds right away and wakes up very quickly when in "Auto" mode. The amp plate seems to run pretty cool too. My previous MFW-15 was hot enough to fry and egg even in standby mode!

Hurry up and grab one or two of these before they realize the price they are selling it at is a steal. LOL!
This is one phenomenal piece of AV equipment and I am more than happy with my purchase.
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The PB13 Ultra is on the way!
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The PB13 Ultra is on the way!
You are one luck man.I would like to get my pb13-ultra soon hopeing by the middle of the summer i am just a few more bucks sort.good luck and let us know how it runs and your thought's.
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Just a little praise.
Running the SVS PB-1000 via LFE output via a Denon X-2000 AVR. Fronts and surrounds are DefTech ProMonitor 800's with DefTEch ProCenter 1000.

I have had several subs in my home in the past few years: AV123 MFW-15, PSA XV15(non-upgraded), Def Tech ProSub1000, Rythmik LV12R, and a couple others.
I just received a new SVS PB-1000 for my downstairs mid level home theater. Approximately 3300sq ft room with one doorway and drop ceiling.
I was a little hesitant to see if the PB-1000 could fill it but the CS rep convinced me it would be great.

Well, let me tell you it is more than great. Its accuracy and deep room-filling bass is probably the best I have had in my home. PSA is great and more power but the SVS is so "real" and accurate I can't believe my ears. No hum, no audio artifacts, no pops or crackles. Responds right away and wakes up very quickly when in "Auto" mode. The amp plate seems to run pretty cool too. My previous MFW-15 was hot enough to fry and egg even in standby mode!

Hurry up and grab one or two of these before they realize the price they are selling it at is a steal. LOL!
This is one phenomenal piece of AV equipment and I am more than happy with my purchase.

Good to hear. I ordered a pb-1000 just a couple of days ago, should have it tomorrow. The only subwoofers I've had previously were two budget velodnye 10 inchers and a couple of diy efforts and all were rubbish, just a lot of distortion really. Seems like I might actually get some decent bass this time, at the very least it should be an improvement.
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