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I know for audio receivers warranty only applies to the original owner. I'm not 100% sure but I feel pretty comfortable saying once you sell your SVS, a second hand SVS is not covered under their warranty. This is why I always buy receivers and high end speakers and subs new, directly from authorized sellers.
I asked SVS about this when I was selling my PB-2000s and they said they will honor the 5 year warranty regardless of who owns the sub. It goes by serial number and starts from the original delivery date of the sub, so anyone buying a used sub that's less than 5 years old is covered. Very good to know.
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Save up the extra $300 and go for the PB2000.
Second this! I got the PB-1000 first before the PB-2000s started shipping. I sent it back and got the 2000 instead and it's so much better! My room is only 960 cubic feet so its so much smaller, but even I noticed a huge difference in both movies and music with the 2000. It's just an all around better sub and for only $300 its totally worth it! Good luck
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Not sure if you guys had seen the four PB13-Ultras I just installed in my 12 seat cinema in NZ.

It was a gamble….. I never knew what the four PB13Us might sound like compared to the one I had been running for the last month. All I can say it’s well worth going the extra mile if you can, two subs is better than one, and four is better still!
Congratulations on the four PB13's. I know you are loving the extra horsepower. With four up front I sure your room pressurizes with ease. Enjoy!!!
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Second this! I got the PB-1000 first before the PB-2000s started shipping. I sent it back and got the 2000 instead and it's so much better! My room is only 960 cubic feet so its so much smaller, but even I noticed a huge difference in both movies and music with the 2000. It's just an all around better sub and for only $300 its totally worth it! Good luck

I went with the pb-1000 myself but now realise I should have gone with the pb-2000 or bigger. Despite a good improvement in bass quality over my previous subwoofer the pb-1000 lacks sufficient power. When watching movies at loud volumes I often find the bass from my bookshelf speakers overpowers the bass from the subwoofer making it difficult to hear the LFE effects. I now realise that to make the LFE come alive and not get lost in the mix you need a lot of power. The only problem is I neither have the funds or a sufficiently sound proofed room to do it so it looks like I'm stuck with the pb-1000 for now.
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I picked up a PB2000 to try in my 5k+ cuft family room, and it was under powered and went back. Audyssey required me to dial the plate amp up to max and still had the AVR signal at +6, and it produced quite a bit of clipping and distortion. It looked like a nice sub for a smaller space. I will DIY instead.

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are there any rumblings of a possible PC-2000 coming out soon? I have til Feb to do the "upgrade" thing. I might swap my PC12-NSD for a PB-2000 and just buy a PC-2000 if one ever comes out as a replacement for my cheaper sub. For now though, I'm patiently waiting to do the NSD for 2000 swap.
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I've not seen anything mentioned about a possible PC2000. I would be curious to know how the cylinders sell compared to the box versions. I was already over budget when I got my PC12+, I wouldn't have been able to afford the sub if the box was the only option, so needless to say I'm a huge fan of the cylinders.

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Similar situation here....but just upgraded to dual PB-2000s, and I like to listen at very high volumes. Baby #1 on the way so I'm getting as much use out of everything now while I can!!
Congrats! I have three boys and my oldest is 3. They all sleep right through me watching movies at -10 master volume!
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Just got my Ultra all setup and have tested at ridiculous levels. It laughed at me and spit out the most incredible bass I've ever heard. Pretty sure the PB12-Plus I got had a bad amp. I'm happy now!

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are there any rumblings of a possible PC-2000 coming out soon? I have til Feb to do the "upgrade" thing. I might swap my PC12-NSD for a PB-2000 and just buy a PC-2000 if one ever comes out as a replacement for my cheaper sub. For now though, I'm patiently waiting to do the NSD for 2000 swap.
I tried out this SB12-NSD sub for a little over a week, and while it is going back for the 1000 because of my music preferences, I can't knock this little phenom. Grabs some very deep bass and when gaming it rumbles much more than the PSW505 it replaced. If it would handle being set hotter than normal to get the thump I crave I'd gladly keep this sub. But the limiter and I have been going round and round, and I just can't seem to get it to impact like I want without that darned red light interrupting the party. I kinda knew, and was told by many that I'd be happier with the ported version, but at least now I've experienced it, and I know the +/- of sealed subs.

I really can't complain about the 505, especially getting a new one for $150 from Newegg, but I'll miss this rich bass sound until the 1000 gets here. Then I'll be saving up for the PB-2000, and then another to match, and then...

EDIT: Forgot to mention, once again the SVS rep was Ghandi-like in remaining helpful while I barraged him with inane questions and whines. Thanks Ed.

EDIT 2: My goodness, I sincerely didn't mean to shanghai the thread. I don't know what I was looking at but my reply was under the impression that Teremei was referring to sealed subs. Sorry about that.

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Just got my Ultra all setup and have tested at ridiculous levels. It laughed at me and spit out the most incredible bass I've ever heard. Pretty sure the PB12-Plus I got had a bad amp. I'm happy now!

This makes me wonder how reliable SVS are as I just discovered myself that my week old pb-1000 has a bad driver. When I turn it up above moderate levels it distorts badly and makes mechanical noises. The guys at SVS were quick to point out that it shouldn't be doing that so I'll will be sending it back but I'm not exactly keen on getting another one.
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This makes me wonder how reliable SVS are as I just discovered myself that my week old pb-1000 has a bad driver. When I turn it up above moderate levels it distorts badly and makes mechanical noises. The guys at SVS were quick to point out that it shouldn't be doing that so I'll will be sending it back but I'm not exactly keen on getting another one.
No reason to worry about that. I've owned several of their subs - this is my 6th - and that was the first one I had an issue with. They have the best customer service I've ever seen, and the best subs.... Period!
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I've not seen anything mentioned about a possible PC2000. I would be curious to know how the cylinders sell compared to the box versions. I was already over budget when I got my PC12+, I wouldn't have been able to afford the sub if the box was the only option, so needless to say I'm a huge fan of the cylinders.
WRONG!!!!!

If you like to listen loud do not change for the baby.

They will adjust ASAP.

Big new parent mistake being quite for a kid to sleep.
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^100% agree. Me listening at near reference levels is nothing new to my three toddlers. They sleep through it all!

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Hi.i have a 2xsb12nsd in my 1600 cubic feet room.they changed my mirage omni s12 which sometimes sounded to me boomy. Whille the sound is amazing and no more boomy i guess i am more of a bass head than i thought ... I miss a room shaking experience that mirage could deliver...now i am playing with thought to sell one sb12 and get pb2000 put it in the right corner and left the other sb12 in the left...would that be a good idea to match sb12 with pb2000? I wont get another pb2000 so it is only 1x pb2000 or 1x pb2000 and sb12? And...my room is sealed and i have marantz sr7008 with xt32 and Sub eqHT for dual sub meassurement...and i am from europe so i cant upgrade without selling the sub....i am on the fence...and i am scared that for the sake of shaking my room the bass will be boomy again so i need help
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Going to pull the trigger on a SVS sub. I just purchased a pair of Aperion Verus Grand Towers along with the Verus Grand Center and I'm looking at either a SB13-Ultra or 2 PB12-Plus. My room is about 3000 cubic feet and a bit open into another room and hallway. I would have to setup the subs diagonal if I go with 2. Anyone with a similar setup?
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Going to pull the trigger on a SVS sub. I just purchased a pair of Aperion Verus Grand Towers along with the Verus Grand Center and I'm looking at either a SB13-Ultra or 2 PB12-Plus. My room is about 3000 cubic feet and a bit open into another room and hallway. I would have to setup the subs diagonal if I go with 2. Anyone with a similar setup?
Well I have Klipsch set up of speakers and I have dual PC12-Pluses. I tried before to have also single Ultra sub ( PC13- Ultra) but when I played with all around dual Pluses sounds the best and they outperform single Ultra. So if you not planning to do dual Utras I will go with dual Pluses over single Ultra all day long!!!

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Going to pull the trigger on a SVS sub. I just purchased a pair of Aperion Verus Grand Towers along with the Verus Grand Center and I'm looking at either a SB13-Ultra or 2 PB12-Plus. My room is about 3000 cubic feet and a bit open into another room and hallway. I would have to setup the subs diagonal if I go with 2. Anyone with a similar setup?
For that size room I think dual SB Ultras would be needed for home theatre. That's pretty expensive. So I think it would be better to go for dual PB12 Plus. I do prefer SB but in a larger room, for movies, I'd go ported.

PB12 Plus are large though, and with two of them....

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For that size room I think dual SB Ultras would be needed for home theatre. That's pretty expensive. So I think it would be better to go for dual PB12 Plus. I do prefer SB but in a larger room, for movies, I'd go ported.

PB12 Plus are large though, and with two of them....
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Well I have Klipsch set up of speakers and I have dual PC12-Pluses. I tried before to have also single Ultra sub ( PC13- Ultra) but when I played with all around dual Pluses sounds the best and they outperform single Ultra. So if you not planning to do dual Utras I will go with dual Pluses over single Ultra all day long!!!
Thanks. I'm leaning towards 2 of the PB12-Pluses. My whole setup is getting a major upgrade, minus the surrounds because Aperion is OOS the surrounds I want until October.
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Thanks. I'm leaning towards 2 of the PB12-Pluses. My whole setup is getting a major upgrade, minus the surrounds because Aperion is OOS the surrounds I want until October.
imho you do NOT need duel subs. That is not an overly large room and there is no point in spending more on subs than on towers. I'd buy better towers rather than spend all that on subs.

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imho you do NOT need duel subs. That is not an overly large room and there is no point in spending more on subs than on towers. I'd buy better towers rather than spend all that on subs.
I guess I'm getting wrapped up in the upgrade. I'll just get the one. I can always get another later if I need it. Probably better to spend that on an amp like the Emotiva XPA-3 or something. The towers and center I'm getting are pretty solid, so I should be good overall.

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Hello,

I'm not an SVS owner yet but I probably will be fairly soon and would appreciate your input that may help me get there. First, here's the pertinent components of my 7.1 system:

(1) Yamaha RX-A2010
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Also, my room is 20' x 20' with a 12' cathedral ceiling and about 8' on two sides. I did a quick calculation and it came out to about a 4000 cubic foot space.

My current sub is surprisingly good for its size, but it's obviously the weakest link in my system. I'm looking to buy an SVS SB13-Ultra to either replace the current sub -- or more likely (if it's a good idea) to use both the SB13-Ultra and the RSW-10d. I'm going to call/chat with SVS later today but would also like input from current owners too. Here's are my questions:

  1. Your thoughts and opinions about the SB13-Ultra in general
  2. Your thoughts and opinions about the SB13-Ultra in my system
  3. Your thoughts and opinions about using both the SB13 and RSW-10d together.
  4. Thoughts of a different sub?

Thanks!
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The SB13 Ultra is a excellent sub, well suited for movies in medium room, and music too. But 4000 cubic foot is a lot, I'd probably be looking at one PB Ultra 13. I've had PC Ultra 13 and SB Ultra 13

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The SB13 Ultra is a excellent sub, well suited for movies in medium room, and music too. But 4000 cubic foot is a lot, I'd probably be looking at one PB Ultra 13.
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Hello,

I'm not an SVS owner yet but I probably will be fairly soon and would appreciate your input that may help me get there. First, here's the pertinent components of my 7.1 system:

(1) Yamaha RX-A2010
(2) Klipsch RF-83
(1) Klipsch RC-64
(2) Klipsch RVX-54
(2) Klipsch RSX-5
(1) Klipsch RSW-10d

Also, my room is 20' x 20' with a 12' cathedral ceiling and about 8' on two sides. I did a quick calculation and it came out to about a 4000 cubic foot space.

My current sub is surprisingly good for its size, but it's obviously the weakest link in my system. I'm looking to buy an SVS SB13-Ultra to either replace the current sub -- or more likely (if it's a good idea) to use both the SB13-Ultra and the RSW-10d. I'm going to call/chat with SVS later today but would also like input from current owners too. Here's are my questions:

  1. Your thoughts and opinions about the SB13-Ultra in general
  2. Your thoughts and opinions about the SB13-Ultra in my system
  3. Your thoughts and opinions about using both the SB13 and RSW-10d together.
  4. Thoughts of a different sub?

Thanks!
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take the Klipsch sub and sell it, seriously

that is a big open ended room, two subs would be best but you don't need to buy two at once

go ported for your use, pb12 plus will be a big difference over what you have now and you can add another when financially comfortable.

you can go with a pair of PB 2000's and call it a day as well. again, this will be a dramatic improvement

3rd option as that space is a family room and maybe hard to find space for 2 subs, you can shake the foundation with one PB13 ultra.

anyone of these scenarios is a home run for you and you are looking at the right company for your needs.

my only concern for you is that nice trim look you have achieved, SVS is nothing to look at, big clunky boxes

the piano finish is ok but they still have those terrible grills and it is a box

let me know what you do, that's a great look you have there until you get a dedicated room.

OH, and the surround sound will be even more substantal than any old two channel ever could be.

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Thank you all for your responses so far.

I chatted with 'Ed' at SVS a few minutes ago. I gave him the same information I gave you here. After digesting the information I provided, Ed asked, "is this a living/family room". I told him that It is.

Regarding using my existing sub with the SB13-Ultra, Ed said, I don't recommend keeping the current sub - the FRand phase is too disparate."

He then said, "The SB13-Ultra is a great match foryour speakers/system and also will visually integrate nicely into that room without dominating like a larger ported sub." He further said, "It's great for WAF but it's a very powerful sub nonetheless - it's perfect for your exact application."

When I asked if he thought it would be powerful enough for the room/application -- or if I should get a bigger, more powerful sub, he asked about my typical listening volumes for Sci-Fi and Action movies. I told him that I listen to movies at about -20 to -18 or so for 5.1 movies and because of the extra power required, about -12 to -10 when viewing 7.1. (sometimes louder -- especially if my wife isn't watching ). He reconfirmed, "Yes, it will be powerful enough for this application."

I made at least two attempts at letting him move me 'up' in power, etc. but he chose not to do it. I think he was mostly thinking of the room environment. I'll think on this more (please keep the opinions coming) and decide soon.







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Yamaha: RX-A2010, Samsung: UN55B8000, Oppo; BDP-93,,Yamaha: CDC-685
Klipsch: (2) RF-83, (1) RC-64, (2) RVX-54, (2) RSX-5, SVS: (1) SB13-Ultra
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Hello,

I'm not an SVS owner yet but I probably will be fairly soon and would appreciate your input that may help me get there. First, here's the pertinent components of my 7.1 system:

(1) Yamaha RX-A2010
(2) Klipsch RF-83
(1) Klipsch RC-64
(2) Klipsch RVX-54
(2) Klipsch RSX-5
(1) Klipsch RSW-10d

Also, my room is 20' x 20' with a 12' cathedral ceiling and about 8' on two sides. I did a quick calculation and it came out to about a 4000 cubic foot space.

My current sub is surprisingly good for its size, but it's obviously the weakest link in my system. I'm looking to buy an SVS SB13-Ultra to either replace the current sub -- or more likely (if it's a good idea) to use both the SB13-Ultra and the RSW-10d. I'm going to call/chat with SVS later today but would also like input from current owners too. Here's are my questions:

  1. Your thoughts and opinions about the SB13-Ultra in general
  2. Your thoughts and opinions about the SB13-Ultra in my system
  3. Your thoughts and opinions about using both the SB13 and RSW-10d together.
  4. Thoughts of a different sub?

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The room has 16' of windows/glass on each of three walls and an opening into the kitchen/dining area on the other (see picture links below)
I owned Klipsch12-sub and I sold it. Now I have dual Pluses and diference is HUGE. Even one SVS sub is a lot( A LOT) better then Klipsch sub. If you want to go single get the best sub you can ( Plus or Ultra) for dual subs you can do 2 Pluses over single Ultra or get dual Ultras it is also about your budget. You can't go wrong with SVS sub!!! Chat with them they are very helpful and no risk you buy it try it if you dont like send it back all free 45 days!!!!
I had in one time at hime 3 SVS subs so nice chance to compare them.

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Thank you all for your responses so far.

I chatted with 'Ed' at SVS a few minutes ago. I gave him the same information I gave you here. After digesting the information I provided, Ed asked, "is this a living/family room". I told him that It is.

Regarding using my existing sub with the SB13-Ultra, Ed said, I don't recommend keeping the current sub - the FRand phase is too disparate."

He then said, "The SB13-Ultra is a great match foryour speakers/system and also will visually integrate nicely into that room without dominating like a larger ported sub." He further said, "It's great for WAF but it's a very powerful sub nonetheless - it's perfect for your exact application."

When I asked if he thought it would be powerful enough for the room/application -- or if I should get a bigger, more powerful sub, he asked about my typical listening volumes for Sci-Fi and Action movies. I told him that I listen to movies at about -20 to -18 or so for 5.1 movies and because of the extra power required, about -12 to -10 when viewing 7.1. (sometimes louder -- especially if my wife isn't watching ). He reconfirmed, "Yes, it will be powerful enough for this application."

I made at least two attempts at letting him move me 'up' in power, etc. but he chose not to do it. I think he was mostly thinking of the room environment. I'll think on this more (please keep the opinions coming) and decide soon.





Ed and his team never try to sell up.

That said, I went from a sb2000 on ed's advise to 2 sb2000's to a sb13 utra to two sb13 ultras.

The difference is subtlety but immense at the same time. I am glad I did not stay content and now I have no need of more.

I am glad he told you to deep six that Klip.
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I owned Klipsch12-sub and I sold it. Now I have dual Pluses and diference is HUGE. Even one SVS sub is a lot( A LOT) better then Klipsch sub..

I have been trying to tell him...

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I have been trying to tell him...
I know I read it so I want to support it it is all truth!!!!
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