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post #17671 of 18044 Old 08-20-2014, 07:17 AM
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Hi all.. I have been enjoying my PB-1000 on the music only system in my sig... I noticed now a few times that when I am playing music very loud and the sub is pumping that I hear a rattle coming from the sub, like the port tubing is rattling inside of the enclosure... It's not shuffing, it's a rattle. I can hear it over the bass very easily.. my cat even heard it, he was on the couch with me and when the next CD came on with more bass and the rattle started he jumped down and started encroaching the sub in an inquisitive stalking manner. It seems to be getting worse now - happening at lower volumes. I guess it's time to contact SVS. I saw a thread from someone who was experiencing the same auditory anomaly on their pb-1000 but there was no resolution at the end of the thread. Anyone here have this issue? I know that port tubing is fairly long inside of the enclosure and takes a good bend.. I am guessing it's just a little loose or something?
Excluding port chuffing at high volumes, I've had bad noises coming out of my SVS subs a total of 4 times, 3 of which were defect. What you describe sounds a lot like number 4 in the list below:

  1. One driver on a PB12-Plus was DOA, stuck. It only produced feeble, high-pitched sound. The whole sub was replaced pronto.
  2. Infamous grille peg problem on an SB12-NSD, causing an annoying rattle. SVS replaced the sub. Does your rattle stop if you remove the grille?
  3. PC12-NSD buzzing on a hard floor at high levels. Putting a rubber mat underneath solved the problem.
  4. PC12-NSD driver busted; looks like the cone detached form the voice coil former, and the VC former was just hitting the cone instead of driving it properly. I also thought this was the port rattling but the driver was at fault. SVS quickly shipped a new driver and we replaced it easily.
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EDIT: barring a rattle coming from your floor / room instead of the sub itself, yes, I think it's time to contact SVS.
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Sorry to hear it you have this problem with it. How old is the sub? Call SVS I think it is bigeer problem then just some different set up.

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I set the crossovers to 80hz on the pb13. Did the test where you shut it off and see what you're missing. My wife said there is no difference. So I played some kind of hip hop and it made itself very present. This kind of concerns me because it doesn't show up until I make it show up with extreme content. I'm wondering if something smaller and cheaper or maybe dual may be the way to go?
The sub is only going to play the frequencies from 80Hz down. Watching regular TV, my sub kicks on every so often. Do you have the ability to play YouTube through your system? If so, play a Bass Frequency Test through your system. That will show you where the sub plays. Or, does your AVR play Test Tones? If so, see how loud EMO-Q has set your sub. Or you can burn a disc with some bass-heavy songs on it. Might not be your genre, but it will send signals to your sub. I don't have Room Correction software and just use an SPL meter. I set all speakers to 75Hz. This way, all of my speakers, including my sub, will play at that level. I do know that people who use Audessey usually will kick the sub up 3-5db.

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Hi all.. I have been enjoying my PB-1000 on the music only system in my sig... I noticed now a few times that when I am playing music very loud and the sub is pumping that I hear a rattle coming from the sub, like the port tubing is rattling inside of the enclosure... It's not shuffing, it's a rattle. I can hear it over the bass very easily.. my cat even heard it, he was on the couch with me and when the next CD came on with more bass and the rattle started he jumped down and started encroaching the sub in an inquisitive stalking manner. It seems to be getting worse now - happening at lower volumes. I guess it's time to contact SVS. I saw a thread from someone who was experiencing the same auditory anomaly on their pb-1000 but there was no resolution at the end of the thread. Anyone here have this issue? I know that port tubing is fairly long inside of the enclosure and takes a good bend.. I am guessing it's just a little loose or something?

I think that was me. I commented a little while back that I noticed a rattle from my pb-1000 when I first did a calibration sweep and could hear it on certain bass frequencies during movies. I talked to svs and they got me to pull the driver and amp out and run them outside the box just to see if the noise was coming from the box or from the driver, turns out it was the driver. They told me that it shouldn't be doing that and to send it back. I ended up exchanging it for the pb-2000 though. I live in Australia and we don't have 45 day return policy here but fortunately my dealer allowed me to swap it so it all worked out o.k but I never found out what the actual problem was, my guess is a manufacturing fault given that you seem to have the exact same problem. The pb-2000 I have doesn't make any such noises and sounds rock solid, with the exception of some port chuffing but that's a different issue.

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Thanks for the replies all! Now that I really listen to it it does seem to be coming from the driver. I noticed the bass has sounded off a bit since I first noticed it, just slightly different. I'll contact SVS today. Oh, the sub is only a few months old. And nirvy111 - yeah that was your thread and I guess I skipped through the bit where you pulled the sub apart. doh! I was a little tired last night but I remember you saying the PB-2000 blew your socks off.

Anyways.. I am not really worried about it, I know SVS stands behind their product like no other so we'll get it sorted out. I thought they had limiters on their amps to prevent the driver from being over driven? The first time I noticed it the driver excursion was pretty intense, so I bet something detached in the back... I'm pretty good at taking things apart and rebuilding so if they want me to investigate it should be no problem. I'll let you all know what happens! ...and thanks again! AVSforum peeps are the best!
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Anyways.. I am not really worried about it, I know SVS stands behind their product like no other so we'll get it sorted out.
Yeah no worries here. They should replace the sub or send you a new driver without any charge.

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They have -- I've been told that when the VC former detaches from the cone, this is a (rare) manufacturing problem, not necessarily caused by the sub being overdriven or bottoming out. In my case, I noticed the problem first when playing at relatively low levels. SVS drivers are made to sustain very large excursion without problem -- it's pretty impressive.

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Thanks! I emailed them and asked if I should pull the driver out and inspect. The sound is more like a weird chirping sound than a rattle.. but when bass notes that vibrate play it did sound like a chirpy rattle.. I'll let you all know what happens.

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Yessss...my SB13ultra should be at my doors tomorrow, sooner than i thought . So today i have disconnected one of my sb12nsd and delivered it to my brother...i have just tested how it sounds with just one sub and i can hear that something is missing...it is just weird...far less impact and it seems like there is a hole in my soundstage and everything sounds like is weighted to the side where the sub is...it really is that once you go dual you just cant get back to one sub...anyone who is tempted to get a second sub just get it if you can it is really is a big difference in soundstage...so i hope i really hope that sb12 and sb13 ultra will be good friends in my room because i just dont want to get another ultra and have 3k EUR just in subs no way...hope it will work well...i have a good filling as i dont listen louder than -15 or -10 occassionally and i didnt hit limiter with both sb12...but i will see...fingers crossed
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Yessss...my SB13ultra should be at my doors tomorrow, sooner than i thought . So today i have disconnected one of my sb12nsd and delivered it to my brother...i have just tested how it sounds with just one sub and i can hear that something is missing...it is just weird...far less impact and it seems like there is a hole in my soundstage and everything sounds like is weighted to the side where the sub is...it really is that once you go dual you just cant get back to one sub...anyone who is tempted to get a second sub just get it if you can it is really is a big difference in soundstage...so i hope i really hope that sb12 and sb13 ultra will be good friends in my room because i just dont want to get another ultra and have 3k EUR just in subs no way...hope it will work well...i have a good filling as i dont listen louder than -15 or -10 occassionally and i didnt hit limiter with both sb12...but i will see...fingers crossed
I replaced my SB12 (just one) in a 3600 cu ft room with a SB13 about a month ago. You're not going to believe the difference.
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I replaced my SB12 (just one) in a 3600 cu ft room with a SB13 about a month ago. You're not going to believe the difference.
Wow thanks that is really nice to hear . Did you also have 2xsb12?
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yes I remember when I tried my NSD by itself. Wasn't what I thought a $750 subwoofer would sound like. But as soon as I paired it with my Klipsch. WOAH BOY!

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Wow thanks that is really nice to hear . Did you also have 2xsb12?
Nope, just the one so can't give you any idea how they'll do together. FWIW I always loved the SB12 but the room was just a little too large for it so I finally said what the hey and got the SB13. Love it
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Nope, just the one so can't give you any idea how they'll do together. FWIW I always loved the SB12 but the room was just a little too large for it so I finally said what the hey and got the SB13. Love it
I think they migth work well together...sure the ultra will have more output but i think the sb12 will smooth the response and even the weight of the sub on frontstage.If they wont work well together i can always sell the sb12 but i have a feeling that wont be neccessary...better 2 than 1 and they are both sealed...i have audyssey xt32 with subeq HT so that will help a lot too
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An SB13 and SB12 will sound amazing together with XT32. I have a 12NSD and RW12d with XT32 and it does a great job smoothing it out. Those 2 are so far apart in what they do.

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I just took one ultra out of my 2.2 system. I am loving it right now.

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How about a SB Ultra 13 and SB12+ The only REQ is antimode 8033cinema. So it won't EQ individually just as a whole. 800 cut foot room. So tiny, I bet I don't run out of headroom on SB12+ alone

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I thought about running a SB2000 with my SB13 Ultra to give me that little extra push and save a few bucks besides. I just wonder if the 2000 will have to be turned way down so it doesn't run out of gas when I'm pushing it hard. Guess I could contact SVS and see what they say. I would also run the 2000 nearfield maybe on the side of couch.

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I think the SB2000 would be perfect with the SB13. They both seem to go down to a similar frequency. I'm guessing the 13 is just that much more powerful all the way through?

It would add just that little extra punch, you might love it! See with mine one goes down to 19 and the other only to 26 so the NSD has to handle the real lows by itself. But I like it that way, it's cheap. And I get lows, plus punchy mid bass.

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I thought about running a SB2000 with my SB13 Ultra to give me that little extra push and save a few bucks besides. I just wonder if the 2000 will have to be turned way down so it doesn't run out of gas when I'm pushing it hard. Guess I could contact SVS and see what they say. I would also run the 2000 nearfield maybe on the side of couch.
I will report how sb13 and sb12 work together...but i wont have it calibrated till next week probably (with audyssey). My room is around 1600 cubic feet and 2xsb12 were runing 6db hot (with audyssey ref. level offset at -10-because of surround boost) and i havent seen any limiter light turning on during heavy bass scenes at -10 on master volume...i have subs around 9-10 feet from listening position so nearfiled would be awesome...two subs are really the way to go . But beware once you go dual there is no turning back...you have a filing that something is missing in soundstage with only one sub runing when you taste dual subs

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I dont know why in Europe the warranty is 2 years on electronics and 5 years on the driver...while in the USA there is 5 years unconditional waranty??? And on top of that the subs are much costlier in Europe...i hope the ultra amp will work at least 5 years...
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I dont know why in Europe the warranty is 2 years on electronics and 5 years on the driver...while in the USA there is 5 years unconditional waranty??? And on top of that the subs are much costlier in Europe...i hope the ultra amp will work at least 5 years...
I'm also originaly from Europe and warranty in different not just for SVS. I guess it is because EU rules. Europe have 2 year on every electronics compare only 1 year in US( TV, smart phones, washer , all electronics) and alll electronics , clothes ,cars cost more in Europe then in US always was like that and I don't think it will change anytime soon it is getting better compare 10years back but still is Europe more expensive. When I bought mine 1 HDTV 60" Sony price here in US was $3500 and in Czech same TV cost $6000 8 years ago.
And biggest different is a gas prices it is always funny to listen people complain about US gas prices IT IS SO CHEAP in US!!! $3.10per gallon in SC and $6.5 per gallon in Czech ( Prague)
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P.S. Don't worry about SVS warranty they are extremly helpful and I talk to them about warranty out of US and Ed from SVS told me they taking care of it from here so just in case something get wrong you will directly contact SVS in US and they will help you out. I will be not surprice if they help people even after warranty with low or no cost, they just have one of the best customer service I ever had to change to deal it!!!

It is so cool to see SVS sub in Slovenia, have fun with it as I know you will !!!!
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I ordered a PB-2000 and received notice that it should arrive Monday. I was hoping it would be here for the weekend; the waiting is the hardest part! (Regards to Tom Petty).

My Paradigm PDR10 abruptly developed a rattle a few days back and so it was time to replace it. I initially went to the "Budget Sub" thread but after a couple of questions there and some advice which sparked further reading here at AVS and elsewhere, I decided I really would be better off with more sub. I'm really impressed with what I've read about SVS, their products and policies and even had a brief online chat with Ed, who agreed with their Merlin app that it should be a good match for my Polk Monitor 60s.

Despite being in a large great room, I had been pretty happy with what that little PDR, so I'm looking forward to this step up. With SVS return and upgrade policies, I don't see I have much to lose in going for this particular sub. Not looking to rattle the walls but I do miss the lows even the old unit provided. I suppose another positive is I did re-position my fronts and have them sounding better than they did previously too; I'll re-run my basic Audyssey when I get a chance.
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I ordered a PB-2000 and received notice that it should arrive Monday. I was hoping it would be here for the weekend; the waiting is the hardest part! (Regards to Tom Petty).

My Paradigm PDR10 abruptly developed a rattle a few days back and so it was time to replace it. I initially went to the "Budget Sub" thread but after a couple of questions there and some advice which sparked further reading here at AVS and elsewhere, I decided I really would be better off with more sub. I'm really impressed with what I've read about SVS, their products and policies and even had a brief online chat with Ed, who agreed with their Merlin app that it should be a good match for my Polk Monitor 60s.

Despite being in a large great room, I had been pretty happy with what that little PDR, so I'm looking forward to this step up. With SVS return and upgrade policies, I don't see I have much to lose in going for this particular sub. Not looking to rattle the walls but I do miss the lows even the old unit provided. I suppose another positive is I did re-position my fronts and have them sounding better than they did previously too; I'll re-run my basic Audyssey when I get a chance.
Congrats on the new sub! I know you said your not looking to rattle the walls, but a little rattling can't hurt right? I have the same sub and during some movies it does a fine job of just that. Hope to hear how your's turns out once it is set up.

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Last night I was able to hook up my new PB-2000. I'm integrating it into my system that currently has another, less powerful sub. I did re-run Audyssey and things sound great so far. Still want to do some measurements with REW to make sure I have them optimally set up together. Very impressed with this sub so far though.

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Sooooooo it finaly arrived This will be a little longer post sorry but i am so excited I have unpacked the sub and put it in the right corner (this thing is really built like a tank period) and left the sb12 in left. The sb12 looks like a dwarf in comparison and i cant image what pb13 looks loks like... I have taken just one measurement with audyssey just to level it with the sb12 (when my wife and son go to sleep i will take all 8 measurements)...the gain on sb13 ultra is at -20 and audyssey calibrated it at -9. I have put ref. level offset at -10 (i dont like surround boost) and set both subs 6 db hot...and OMG...the first thing i have noticed is that it SLAMS LIKE A HAMMER, this sub rocks..it just sculptured every detail from everything you throw at it it is just incredible!!! I can now actually feel the shaking and slams in movies...i had it at -18 master level and i am affraid to put it higher, for now ...for a few hours i will let it settle at normal listening levels before i crank it up...but it handels my room with such an ease that this is just crazy and i think it will never be at the limit...this is the sub i will sure have it for a long years to come...if i knew that it ROCKS like that i would never bother buying 2xsb12nsd i would just buy ultra and be done with upgraditis for a while but i think that sb12 also helps to even the response so the one sb12 will stay. Now i know why everyone who got ultra said that he will watch all the movies again it is just INCREDIBLE!!! Oh damn now i wonder how two of this beast sounds like
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So when are you going to buy the second SB13?
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So when are you going to buy the second SB13?
Hehe i will try not to One beast is enough i cant tame two No seriously one is more than enough for my room and a little sb12 to smooth the response. I will have this two subs for looooong. SB13ultra is really the sub i was looking for...PERFECT...no boominess just HAMMERING
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SVS have replied to my question regarding SB Ultra 13 and SB12+. Basically said not a good idea.

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I have a SB Ultra 13 in the home theatre, in a 800 cu foot room (small room)

I have a SB12+ that's in the Hifi, that for music probably isn't needed as I get all the bass I need from Celestion A1 (again similar sized room)

I'm thinking about putting the 12 in the home theatre as well as the 13. Would you recommend this?

[Ed Mullen] It can be made to work, but they two subs have rather different phase responses. Another SB13U would be a better choice.

Also would you recommend putting the 12 ontop of the 13?

[Ed Mullen] No - they would have distinct cancellation at certain frequencies due to the differences in phase response.

The 13 is to the right of the TV. I could place the 12 to the left. I don't think I would run out of headroom in such a small room even with the 12" so I don't think drive 12 to it's limits

Would "lop sided" bass from two different subs be a issue if I put one either side of the TV?

[Ed Mullen] Yes more than likely. It would add bass - but it wouldn't be optimal.


Which is better in my setup stacking or either side of the TV?

[Ed Mullen] No - avoid stacking.


The only REQ I have is a 8033 cinema. I know both subs have 1 or 2 channels of PEQ however I have no way to accurately measure response.

Getting dual 13" in such a small room is probably over the top

[Ed Mullen] Properly calibrated, dual SB13U would not overpower the room - they would just result in smoother bass at more locations.
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SVS have replied to my question regarding SB Ultra 13 and SB12+. Basically said not a good idea.
Huh I thought you made a typo, I was not aware that the SB12-Plus once was an actual SVS model.

Would it be the model that is on SonicBoomAudio's front page by any chance?

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