Originally Posted by Teremei
Those Klipsch subs up the gain in the midbass range I've heard and that's why they sound good to "newbies" but they barely go below 26hz even if that. One thing I heard about the PB-2000 is it performs better than the NSD in the "mid bass" range. Basically I want to give up the Klipsch but I want to make sure 2 PB-2000 will totally slam in the midbass area too. I feel pretty confident they totally will. (...)
But the one thing I'm curious about is one of you mentioned about the SB13 peforming better 40hz and above. Do the sealed woofers tend to have a bit more "punch" in the 80-40 range?
Snowmanick already said it best, but there should be little difference if the subs are EQ'd flat. The sealed woofers may take the lead in output above 40 Hz, but on a system that is EQ'd flat, this means the only difference will be at levels where one of the sub will hit max output, and the other will still have some headroom left.
I'm sorry but I lack the dedication to verify whether your AVR EQs the subs (e.g. Audyssey MultEQ XT) or if you have another EQing method. If not, that may explain the "punch" the Klipsch has in mid-bass. It is not unusual to see subs with peaky response. And in many cases, it can sound good. In clubs, DJ's apply peak filters that severely boost the 80-160 Hz octave to enhance thump. In cars, mine at least (I've measured and simulated it in REW!), the "room response" creates a huge peak at 80-100 Hz. It sounds fantastic for many type of music, and listening the same content on my HT setup --- which is EQ'd flat --- is a bit weird. It seems to lack mid-bass, but at the same time I can hear fare more details that were drowned out in my car.
I think the best case scenario would be to have a setup that is EQ'd flat, but have a source (such as a media player on a PC) on which you can fiddle with the EQing and boost mid-bass at will for the content that warrants it. I did try it once and I can assure you SVS subs can provide plenty of mid-bass thump. The only problem is that you quickly find music or other content that sounds horrible with high mid-bass boost.
I eventually want them to release a PC-2000. My plan is a PB-2000 + a PC-2000 (because of space limitations). But if they never release a PC-2000 I might have to go 2 SB-2000s.
Originally Posted by basshead81
I disagree...you can have your marginal 10hz output, my 16-30hz output is 2.5 x what sealed would be.
That's pretty much my reasoning too. Although if you *want* strong ULF in the 10 Hz region, very powerful, very big sealed subs are a must it seems.
Aside from that, if/when I make the jump to DIY, I will be going with LLT cabs tuned to 11hz...can you say 10-12db over sealed at 10hz.
Indeed, I also find myself to say "when I come around to DIY" quite a lot too
Problem is, I have no garage, so the opportunity window is closing fast for this year. Winter is coming guys.
Note that when tuned this low, it looks like the added output due to the ports is much broader and less powerful than, say, at 20 Hz. It looks like there is less and less difference with sealed as you tune lower and lower. At least it looks this way when you compare tunes on the SVS PB series but also the Rhytmik FV15HP. That being said those are not exactly LLT and I guess a much larger enclosure could help.
Originally Posted by Teremei
because $799 is better than $1199. And $799 x 2 is better than $1199 x 2. And I think the 2000 is the best bang for your buck catagory much like reference II is in that bang for your buck zone.
You are right, especially considering duals, the Plus are quite a bit more expensive. But they also add a key feature: they can be tuned to 16 Hz, which is awesome IMHO. That's one reason I just pulled the trigger for dual Pluses over dual NSDs at the time. And unlike the PC-2000s, they are currently available, which is a non-negligible benefit.