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post #17761 of 17768 Old Yesterday, 05:54 PM
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Yesterday i gave svs a call.They told me that both driver's are different for the sb13 ultra and the pb13 ultra.Main reason this being is one is seled and the other one is ported.Now the question i asked svs is what driver is the most powerful one out of all your driver's your make.SVS told me that there PB13-ULTRA is the best driver they make in term's of LOUD and BIG and beast size.But also the best for movie's and music.That also being said they did tell me that the sealed ultra is too a fantastic subwoofer.It just goes to what you will really be useing it for.

My room in 9x11 at best.Now i dont plain on leaveing my svs pb13 ultra in my little room.Main reason is it's only at best 99 sq feet.That's not alot when you look at it.And it's funny because when i talked to svs yesterday the guy said a PB13 ULTRA would be CRAZY CRAZY cool in your little room.But maybe too much .Then i ask him what about 2 pb13 ultra's in my 9x11 room.And he was like OMG NOOOOOOOO YOUR CRAZY.One would be fine then lmao.Now i have a liveing room in my home.It's 13W x 17L x 8H .There i feel that setup i have would be much better interm's of home theater enjoyment.But for right now mysetup will be in my 9x11 room.
I'm getting ready to move my PC12+ into a 11 X 12 room. Considering the punch in my living room I can't imagine what this sub will do in such a small space. Love to hear your system with a similar size room and ultra's.
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That is the XS15se not the SB13...aside from that Ricci's room is not going to be like your room or mine. Just because he hit 100db with the XS15 in room does not mean it would in mine. The safe bet is to take the 2m rms ground plane measurements and add about 6db. In that case the SB13 shows about 89db @ 10hz factoring the 6db for inroom placement. 2 of them would equal around 94-95db @ 10hz...

Not saying you are wrong but the size of the room needs to be cnsidered before deciding on which alignment to choose. In a small sealed room (1500^3) a pair of SB13's could probably exceed 100db @ 10hz, in a room 3000^3 not likely. So overall in most cases the PB13 will be the more powerful sub from 12hz on up being the average room is north of 2k^3 and on a open floor plan.


down at 10 hz you get to add more for room gain.. 6 db is for around 16hz the lower you go the more you add!!! |


Ricci's Room is awesome eh adding a ton of gain at 10hz...... much more output than ported subs..


sealed subs is where its at bro!!!!
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I'm getting ready to move my PC12+ into a 11 X 12 room. Considering the punch in my living room I can't imagine what this sub will do in such a small space. Love to hear your system with a similar size room and ultra's.
yeah we will see how it all goes.I would like to see how a ultra would sound in my small room lmao.I wont be buying my pb13 ultra for a while tho.Got's bill's to pay off .And if any luck happen's if i get extra cash laying around.Maybe just maybe i will wait till tax season lmao i dont.That's not intill what the first feb or march.So who know's maybe i will get back some cash lol.

And as for your room size i wish my room was that size.It would give me more room for my speaker's to spread out more.11 by 12 room size is a little better then a 9x11.
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why not PC12-Plus? why are you waiting for PC-2000( if they will make it).
because $799 is better than $1199. And $799 x 2 is better than $1199 x 2. And I think the 2000 is the best bang for your buck catagory much like reference II is in that bang for your buck zone.

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down at 10 hz you get to add more for room gain.. 6 db is for around 16hz the lower you go the more you add!!! |


Ricci's Room is awesome eh adding a ton of gain at 10hz...... much more output than ported subs..


sealed subs is where its at bro!!!!

I disagree...you can have your marginal 10hz output, my 16-30hz output is 2.5 x what sealed would be.

Aside from that, if/when I make the jump to DIY, I will be going with LLT cabs tuned to 11hz...can you say 10-12db over sealed at 10hz.

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yeah we will see how it all goes.I would like to see how a ultra would sound in my small room lmao.I wont be buying my pb13 ultra for a while tho.Got's bill's to pay off .And if any luck happen's if i get extra cash laying around.Maybe just maybe i will wait till tax season lmao i dont.That's not intill what the first feb or march.So who know's maybe i will get back some cash lol.

And as for your room size i wish my room was that size.It would give me more room for my speaker's to spread out more.11 by 12 room size is a little better then a 9x11.
I've already given my opinion that in the smaller room, the SB resulted in better sound (had ported and sealed ultra)

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because $799 is better than $1199. And $799 x 2 is better than $1199 x 2. And I think the 2000 is the best bang for your buck catagory much like reference II is in that bang for your buck zone.
😀 good it it is a good reason 😉 yes budget is deal maker or braker understand it. You can find them also as you know in outlet section and safe some $$$ and sometimes online is a good deal on used one for even better price if you find somethink close to you. I had mine Pluses each for $949 after all shipping issues.

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Those Klipsch subs up the gain in the midbass range I've heard and that's why they sound good to "newbies" but they barely go below 26hz even if that. One thing I heard about the PB-2000 is it performs better than the NSD in the "mid bass" range. Basically I want to give up the Klipsch but I want to make sure 2 PB-2000 will totally slam in the midbass area too. I feel pretty confident they totally will. (...)
But the one thing I'm curious about is one of you mentioned about the SB13 peforming better 40hz and above. Do the sealed woofers tend to have a bit more "punch" in the 80-40 range?
Snowmanick already said it best, but there should be little difference if the subs are EQ'd flat. The sealed woofers may take the lead in output above 40 Hz, but on a system that is EQ'd flat, this means the only difference will be at levels where one of the sub will hit max output, and the other will still have some headroom left.

I'm sorry but I lack the dedication to verify whether your AVR EQs the subs (e.g. Audyssey MultEQ XT) or if you have another EQing method. If not, that may explain the "punch" the Klipsch has in mid-bass. It is not unusual to see subs with peaky response. And in many cases, it can sound good. In clubs, DJ's apply peak filters that severely boost the 80-160 Hz octave to enhance thump. In cars, mine at least (I've measured and simulated it in REW!), the "room response" creates a huge peak at 80-100 Hz. It sounds fantastic for many type of music, and listening the same content on my HT setup --- which is EQ'd flat --- is a bit weird. It seems to lack mid-bass, but at the same time I can hear fare more details that were drowned out in my car.

I think the best case scenario would be to have a setup that is EQ'd flat, but have a source (such as a media player on a PC) on which you can fiddle with the EQing and boost mid-bass at will for the content that warrants it. I did try it once and I can assure you SVS subs can provide plenty of mid-bass thump. The only problem is that you quickly find music or other content that sounds horrible with high mid-bass boost.

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I eventually want them to release a PC-2000. My plan is a PB-2000 + a PC-2000 (because of space limitations). But if they never release a PC-2000 I might have to go 2 SB-2000s.
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I disagree...you can have your marginal 10hz output, my 16-30hz output is 2.5 x what sealed would be.
That's pretty much my reasoning too. Although if you *want* strong ULF in the 10 Hz region, very powerful, very big sealed subs are a must it seems.

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Aside from that, if/when I make the jump to DIY, I will be going with LLT cabs tuned to 11hz...can you say 10-12db over sealed at 10hz.
Indeed, I also find myself to say "when I come around to DIY" quite a lot too Problem is, I have no garage, so the opportunity window is closing fast for this year. Winter is coming guys.

Note that when tuned this low, it looks like the added output due to the ports is much broader and less powerful than, say, at 20 Hz. It looks like there is less and less difference with sealed as you tune lower and lower. At least it looks this way when you compare tunes on the SVS PB series but also the Rhytmik FV15HP. That being said those are not exactly LLT and I guess a much larger enclosure could help.

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because $799 is better than $1199. And $799 x 2 is better than $1199 x 2. And I think the 2000 is the best bang for your buck catagory much like reference II is in that bang for your buck zone.
You are right, especially considering duals, the Plus are quite a bit more expensive. But they also add a key feature: they can be tuned to 16 Hz, which is awesome IMHO. That's one reason I just pulled the trigger for dual Pluses over dual NSDs at the time. And unlike the PC-2000s, they are currently available, which is a non-negligible benefit.

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