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Thanks for the input.

It's 2800 cubic feet, that's including the adjacent 500 cubic feet kitchen. I want it for the lack of low out of my 2 Dali Zensor 1's (the 3's didn't had the needed WAF ) connected to my Onkyo TX NR 636.

Movies 75%, music 25% (Jazz, Classical, some pop, no dub-step or anything like that) and I don't want my neighbours couch shaking.
yeah you need to go further up the chain than SB12. I'd say dual SB 12" minimum, but I'd let others with similar sized rooms and dual SB12 voice their opinions. I would think though dual SB12, or a single PB2000, or a single SB Ultra 13 should be suitable. If movies isn't a priority and just a music system then I bet a single SB 12 should be enough as music doesn't have much low bass, and generally you have it calibrated a bit cold. Music with subwoofer a bit hot ruins it.

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Hi - wondering if dual PB-2000's would have similar performance to dual PC-12NSD's? Approximately 2,900 cu. ft room, carpeted, mainly sealed.

Would a single PC-12Plus outperform either/both of the dual options?

About 90% movie/TV viewing.

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Hi - wondering if dual PB-2000's would have similar performance to dual PC-12NSD's? Approximately 2,900 cu. ft room, carpeted, mainly sealed.

Would a single PC-12Plus outperform either/both of the dual options?

About 90% movie/TV viewing.

Thanks.
I don't know how much different is between PB-2000 and PC-12NSD but I'm just guessing they are very close maybe PB-2000 just slightly better not sure if is able to hear it. Then I was buying mine subs Ed from SVS told me dual PB-2000 will outperform single Plus + all the benefit to have 2 subs. Same like dual Pluses outperform single Ultra (3db +/-).

If we are talking about only single sub then better you can get will be a good score.

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Just picked up a PB-2000 on Friday from a seller on craiglist. After getting it home I decided the room needs a second one ~3,000 cubic feet and put the order in with SVS on Saturday. These will be in the room with a definitive mythos ST setup..can't wait. Any tips from folks? I plan on having them both up from.
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Just picked up a PB-2000 on Friday from a seller on craiglist. After getting it home I decided the room needs a second one ~3,000 cubic feet and put the order in with SVS on Saturday. These will be in the room with a definitive mythos ST setup..can't wait. Any tips from folks? I plan on having them both up from.
Congrats to tour new subs. You did good to go dual. It is amazing to have a 2 subs. Placing can be little tricky just move subs around room and you will see where they will sound the best. I have them in front and they are super there.

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Thoughts after a week with my PB12-NSD in my 5000 cu ft living room

I've already documented my work with optimizing sub placement and EQing to optimize sub response across all listening positions on my main couch in earlier posts: Official SVS Owners/Support Thread.

I've been watching a few movies and shows (Transformers, Transformers Dark of the moon, Gravity, Hunger Games Catching Fire, Super 8 Intro and The Pacific) over the last few days to break in the system and to gauge the audio quality. As my measurements have shown, the single PB12-NSD in a corner actually works quite well at my seating position (which is ~12 ft from the sub). I might be getting some near field benefit since the bass is certainly not as clear or well defined towards the back of the room (kitchen area), but I have to say that the single sub is more than adequate in my setup. Another sub would perhaps help smooth out response across seating spaces (but I have no room for another one) but I don't see it actually helping improve sub response at my sweet spot where I get pretty much flat response all the way to ~19Hz. This is with the gain setting at 12 o' clock position and receiver set to -7dB for the sub channel so I have plenty of head room even with a single sub.

Impressions so far have been simply WOW! . The 20-40Hz bass really makes such a massive difference to the entire HT experience and the level of immersion when viewing movies. The 40-80Hz bass is nice, and that's what I was hearing/feeling previously with my Dayton sub-1200, but the real difference in immersion does come from the lower frequency content. I was watching an episode from the HBO series "The Pacific" last night and every explosion felt so immersive with very crisp/clear LFE content shaking my room/couch. With the first few explosions, I actually found myself shrinking back into the seat as if to try and get away from the explosions . The bass also integrates beautifully with my budget setup (3 Infinity Primus P163s for LCR and cheap Logitech Z5500 satellite speakers for surrounds) and there is zero localization issues (Xover on receiver set to 90Hz - 90Hz gave a smoother transition to the speakers than 80Hz as measured by REW).

All-in-all, this has been a very satisfying purchase! I am certainly now a believer and supporter in the bandwagon recommending that a large portion of HT budget be devoted to the subwoofer. I think 4X more expensive speakers would sound nice, but would not add too much to my HT experience over my Primus speakers. But I know for a fact that a 4X increase in sub budget from the Dayton to the PB12 has provided a massive increase in the overall HT experience!

However, all my experimenting has also taught me the real importance of making measurements and spending the time to properly setup a subwoofer in your HT space. I think it is unfortunate that many folks seem to spend big bucks on expensive subs and then just place them in a single position, turn up the gain and run Audyssey/YPAO and call it a day. A sub crawl is certainly a step in the right direction, but even that won't tell you anything about specific room modes resulting in nulls at specific frequencies. For the amount everyone invests in these subs, I think they owe it to themselves to spend a day or two with proper equipment (mic + REW) taking measurements and determining the best subwoofer settings and placement for their seating locations. I have a sneaky suspicion that a subset of folks posting here who didn't bother to spend the time and effort to make measurements could have avoided more expensive/powerful subs or moving to dual subs if they had spent more time optimizing their setup with an existing sub. I know that if I had selected any of the other potential locations for the SVS, I would have been very underwhelmed with overall response and would have chalked it down to my large room size and the sub being insufficient for the room volume.
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Great news for all Canadian's:

SVS Now Ships all Products Direct to Canada with Free Shipping to most Regions

!!! 45 days free Audition No risk at all !!!!

Good luck to all SVS fan's in Canada
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Great news for all Canadian's:

SVS Now Ships all Products Direct to Canada with Free Shipping to most Regions

!!! 45 days free Audition No risk at all !!!!

Good luck to all SVS fan's in Canada
Too bad they can't do that for Hawaii and Alaska. 😞
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Great news for all Canadian's:

SVS Now Ships all Products Direct to Canada with Free Shipping to most Regions

!!! 45 days free Audition No risk at all !!!!

Good luck to all SVS fan's in Canada
Return shipping is not free (but we pay a reduced rate, presumably the rate SVS pays for shipping)

But fantastic news nevertheless.
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Return shipping is not free (but we pay a reduced rate, presumably the rate SVS pays for shipping)

But fantastic news nevertheless.
Oh ok did not know that.

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Then its not a free audition with no risk at all.
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Great news for all Canadian's:

SVS Now Ships all Products Direct to Canada with Free Shipping to most Regions

!!! 45 days free Audition No risk at all !!!!

Good luck to all SVS fan's in Canada
Darn, too bad this didn't happen two months ago when I tried to take advantage of the 1 year upgrade policy on my SVS PC12s (to 2 PB2000s) but was told the policy didn't apply to Canadians. I was a little miffed, and ended up going with two Rythmik LV12r's. Though I'm happy with the Rythmik's I would definitely have gone PB2000 had the policy been in effect back then. Oh well - it's still great they're beginning to ship direct.

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Hey guys. I have a PC-12 Plus. When turned on and doing anything it has this wine/humm sound to it. Is this normal? When you turn it off it goes away.

Other than that the sub works perfectly. But is that slight humm normal?
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No. I put my ear right upto plate amp and it's silent. Nothing from driver, nothing from plate amp. If there is some transformer noise you should only hear it from a couple of inches away.

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Great news for all Canadian's:

SVS Now Ships all Products Direct to Canada with Free Shipping to most Regions
And to add to that, their website states that the subs are shipped via the Markham warehouse (Sonic Boom audio?), so there won't be any additional import/duty fees!
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No. I put my ear right upto plate amp and it's silent. Nothing from driver, nothing from plate amp. If there is some transformer noise you should only hear it from a couple of inches away.
What does this mean? Faulty sub? Had it for a year. Works great, just this hum when its very quiet.

I hear the hum even when i turn off the the receiver and remove the sub cable.
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What does this mean? Faulty sub? Had it for a year. Works great, just this hum when its very quiet.

I hear the hum even when i turn off the the receiver and remove the sub cable.
More likely the house wiring. Try it in a different outlet.
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Just picked up a PB-2000 on Friday from a seller on craiglist. After getting it home I decided the room needs a second one ~3,000 cubic feet and put the order in with SVS on Saturday. These will be in the room with a definitive mythos ST setup..can't wait. Any tips from folks? I plan on having them both up from.
Congrat's on your subs! I hope to hear how it all works out for you as I have same amount of cubic space, but only have 1 PB-2000. Would like to know how well 2 of them sound while enjoying a movie or listening to music.
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SVS taking Canadian orders directly is awesome, and if the orders are shipped from Markham, ON, this means it's just an agreement between SVS and SonicBoomAudio I guess? Now if shipping is free, this means ordering from SVS is much more advantageous than on SBA for some products. E.g. The PC12-NSD is $US 649 on SVS, meaning about CAD 715. Assuming the same taxes on both, this is significantly cheaper than CAD 769 + shipping (circa $800 depending on where you live) as advertised on SBA.

Now a few questions remain... Do past SBA customers get a repeat customer discount at SVS? Also, which taxes are applied? For example, living in Quebec and ordering at SBA in Ontario, I only get GST (5%) but if I import from the US I have to also pay provincial tax on top of this (thus ~15% total taxes). If SVS charges provincial tax but SBA does not, the 10% discrepancy may tip the balance.

This is a very interesting development for us Canadians nonetheless!

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SVS taking Canadian orders directly is awesome, and if the orders are shipped from Markham, ON, this means it's just an agreement between SVS and SonicBoomAudio I guess? Now if shipping is free, this means ordering from SVS is much more advantageous than on SBA for some products. E.g. The PC12-NSD is $US 649 on SVS, meaning about CAD 715. Assuming the same taxes on both, this is significantly cheaper than CAD 769 + shipping (circa $800 depending on where you live) as advertised on SBA.

Now a few questions remain... Do past SBA customers get a repeat customer discount at SVS? Also, which taxes are applied? For example, living in Quebec and ordering at SBA in Ontario, I only get GST (5%) but if I import from the US I have to also pay provincial tax on top of this (thus ~15% total taxes). If SVS charges provincial tax but SBA does not, the 10% discrepancy may tip the balance.

This is a very interesting development for us Canadians nonetheless!
Can you try creating orders but not completely checkout to see what the totals come to?
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